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If we were a relatively successful PL club then we’d have more chance of hanging onto some of these kids - but we are run like a shoddy market stall and we reaps the rewards ….. this is a surprise though - that he’s not going to liverpool or Chelsea ! I expect he’ll leave for them when he reaches 16 or in the summer when his academic school year has ended. and if he carries on with his development then he’ll probably be used in a CL/ carrabao squad next autumn (if they qualify for Europe) we need to be nicking academy prospects from league 1 and league 2. That’s our place in the food chain. £500 per week sonny and a book of uber vouchers

Bek he chased the first clearance out and pressed - then didn’t get back into our shape so Barkley was free. Didn’t help that our other midfielders all then shifted too far right

The only argument that the board have is that they’ve been unlucky that they broke the rules at a time when everyone assumed the penalty for breaking the rules would just be a fine. everton took the main rap and managed to survive. Forest too to an extent. Then clubs, faced with the points penalty found creative ways around psr. If we had known that point penalties were likely to be administered, we would have sold player(s) after the fa cup win to keep things moving. Rodgers asked that no one was sold that summer and basically that is the call which screwed us up. If we’d sold then we could have recruited better the following summer when rodgers lost his sh#t. the wages are the elephant in the room. That’s where we have no excuses - we couldn’t afford those wages so we should have sold those players who were demanding them. the only differences could be argued to be vards and kasper. And if you’re running a proper business then even that really shouldn’t matter. (although that’s a tough one).

This is already covered in the rvn thread and the answer is yes

We won’t have any choice ric - players we will be buying will be low earners. when we go down the wage drops will kick back in - still a lot of players on wages way too high for the championship despite being cut from their PL levels. A lot of players will have to be sold (given away to take account of their PL wage level ) we will be more likely to get a sale because agents won’t be able to demand their clients contract wage is paid off as part of the deal. With the efl sanctions we won’t be favourites to be promoted so their clients will be on a reduced wage for two seasons at least. it will be a rip it up and start again situation. We should not be selling players this month who are suitable for the championship re their wages. Like souttar and cannon. Seems like we’ll still have hamza. and RVN will also not be sustainable on his wages either. I’d presume he’ll not want to be here in any case. good luck to the commercial dept trying to sell their hospitality at PL prices with that background !

The expense of the ladies team is deducted from the PSR losses.

Doesn’t help to sell an asset for what it’s already in the books for. You get 10m cash in and have to lose 10m from your assets. Chelsea were able to make a lot because what they sold was massively undervalued in their books. we could sell our ladies team based I doubt that has much value against it but we’d have to justify the amount. Chelsea are one of the best women’s teams in the world with players of value. they can make a good case to justify the price. I reckon we probably could have generated 10m profit on a sale of the womens team but no one thought of it and we’d then lose the ability to make a big deduction each season against the running costs of the women’s team. Chelsea have also lost that but the sale cost kicks the can down the road for enough years that they expect psr to not exist by the time it would become a negative for them.

Not seeing any signings they’ve made so far that they won’t be able to sell in the summer for their PSR values if they’re relegated. they also buy young and that helps with resale value And young players don’t usually come with a big wage packet either. Ipswich will have a much lower wage structure than us anyway. The players go there and will take a 30/40k max salary because they are in the PL shop window. They may well have release clauses which helps. we overpay on fees and also on wages, especially for older players

this shows a poor appreciation of how accounting works. Those assets are already in the books at a value. How much have they appreciated ? It’s only worth doing they’re now worth more than they’re already in the books at. Chelsea benefitted because of the large increase of land value etc in London. We won’t be so fortunate. We could maybe argue a few million but that’s pushing it. And the PL will be hot on valuation cos it’s us. and more importantly, unless it was done before June 30 2024, it’s too late for last years numbers anyway.

100% he will walk if he’s been lied to. He’s way more principled than most. Lopategui walked from wolves and that didn’t stop him getting more gigs. MON walked from villa.

Yep we may have covered their psr commitment but we haven’t picked up more than 50% of his wages on top of that. Still horrendous business

I think Swiss ramble will struggle to predict our wage bill for last season. Some players will have been on a 30% reduction, some won’t.

We didn’t argue that we were a championship club for 22/23. It was that our accounts didn’t close until 3 weeks after we were no longer a PL club so we couldn’t be charged by the PL for a breach at that date. the debate over whether our allowable losses are 83 or 105 million could well be the issue here. The PL will be arguing that we must get to 83m (hence charging us) and we will be arguing that this isn’t correct. Looks like mr de Marco is going to be busy. However, if we’re charged and a commission looks at it and docks us 6 points then it’s going to be v messy whilst we appeal and the legal case for 105 is put forward. The deduction will go onto the league table, even though we’ve appealed. We won’t know where we stand (and neither will clubs above us). The PL will be slaughtered in the media

Unless you had someone running the show who thought it was possible for a club our size to make the big six a big seven. Deluded

Ideas above our station if arsenal wanted him then we should have let him go and taken the comp. We should have been able to recruit a very capable replacement given where we were in the league and our squad.. Coaches would have been falling over themselves to come here. the fact we gave Rodgers such a huge deal to try and change the rules of the food chain (at that time) came from the top. And whilst we’d never give up the fa cup win, the mess we find ourselves in now is traceable back to that decision on Rodger’s contract and the idea that we could break the big six into a seven. (Even though we were commercially miles and miles away from them).

History has not been too kind to Henry …….

The don says they’re going to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the gulf of America ! I reckon that will only be in the USA - the rest of world won’t change

so could be £6 by now 😄 does look good

How much ??

Come to St Albans mate chicken george with chips and a drink for a tenner and then watch the game with a beer. you can check we’re losing on your phone and St Albans are also going down this season so it’s not too much of a difference 😄

Yes, I can see that this was part of the appeal commissions judgement https://kennedyslaw.com/en/thought-leadership/article/2024/everton-s-points-deduction-appeal-clarity-on-sanction-proportionality/# although other parts of it makes me think we should be expecting 8 as an initial sanction cos that’s the most the PL can get away with. Then we appeal down to 6.

Is that common sense speaking or has there been publicised acceptance of this ?? Everton’s first sanction was 10 points

Palace and West Ham may be fighting to avoid the drop. if so, those games wouldn’t be easy. More than likely the bottom three are down by then though.

If we’ve breached for 20m then we’ll expect a six point deduction on appeal. If we hadn’t sold kdh and enzo’s comp (still think that may be in July) then the breach would have likely led to a 10 point deduction on appeal. We’d never survive with a ten point sanction. Maybe the club felt 6 was possibly manageable with some luck. btw, if RVN wasn’t told about this then he might walk - i reckon he’s way more principled than most of the British coaches

Quelle dommage ……