BenTheFox

Things could get as bad for us as they are for Wednesday and those same people would be complaining about those using what very little leverage they have to try and bring about some sort of change to stop the club from heading off a cliff. It's ironic because people who applauded Wednesday fans coming into our ground after 5 minutes into a game would dig out our own fans for trying to do the same.

I'd personally be surprised if there's fewer than 25,000 there tomorrow night. However, if the actual attendance is even lower for the reasons you've mentioned, I'd argue these reasons count as part of the boycott. Were large groups of people missing night games 3 or 4 years ago because of the weather or kids being back at school? Not really. People being prepared to miss games for those reasons is a sign that people are losing interest in going to watch their team because the club is in a bad way. That counts as part if the boycott as far as I'm concern. I'll reiterate though, I'd be surprised if there are more than 6000 empty seats in the home end tomorrow night.

I think Ipswich will go on to finish top. Cov will still comfortably be promoted regardless.

It's funny because a lot of the old guard absolutely hated Claude Puel and were vocal about how he was "destroying our club". He was overall an underwhelming manager, I won’t rewrite history. However, now the club is in total free fall and they're actually fighting people that are calling it out.

The only difference I can see is that Aiyawatt is still associated with the club's best ever period so it's impossible for some people to turn on him. I'm on the sane page as you, so you don't need me to explain why this is misleading, but it is an explanation. Wednesday under Chansiri, bar a couple of play-off near misses, which only happened because of frivolous suspending which put the club's future in serious jeopardy, have always been terrible. The Venky's have been an unmitigated disaster at Blackburn. West Ham were sold an absolute dud with that stadium move and aside from a period where Moyes was really papering over the cracks, have been underwhelming under Gold, Brady and Sulivan.

This is the most frustrating thing for me. I'm 31, so not young anymore, but still younger than many people making this argument. I remember administration (though I was too young to really understand what it meant at the time), the turmoil of the mid-2000s and relegation to the third tier for the first time in our history. It is entirely possible that we will be relegated to the third tier under this ownership, if not this season, then over the coming seasons and end up finishing lower than 45th in the English football pyramid, our current lowest ever finish. At that point you literally won't be able to say "I've seen it much worse".

Probably a fair point. That is obscene given the goal was like 8 minutes before half time.

When you watch Abduls 60 yard goal against Ipswich, the amount of empty seats is really noticeable. Even I feel a bit embarrassed seeing the number of empty seats. Any more than that for the boycott and I'd say it will have been a success.

Forest will beat West Ham in their next game and it will all be over.

West Ham look genuinely worse than us last season. Forest have got nothing to worry about.

If the last 4/5 years has taught me anything, it's that FoxesTalk is an echochamber that is not representative of the broader fanbase. We have seen empty seats at many recent home games though. My hope is that enough people boycott on top of those already staying away to make the ground look sparse enough to be noticeable.

I'm a season ticket holder that doesn't buy any food or drink in the ground, so me not being there makes no difference financially. I understand that I don't represent everyone though.

A boycott wouldn't be my first choice but I'm willing to give it a go on this occasion. I've often thought that empty seats give the impression of apathy and it's better to show anger via chants, banners etc. However, that literally gets you physically assaulted at this point. Any action is better than no action.

This is some pretty good insight. To be honest, it's only recently that I have started to question whether Aiyawatt really cares anymore. I put the mistakes of the tail end of the Rodgers era up until last season down to poor decision rather than not caring. For example, when we were relegated in 2023, we appointed Maresca and signed the likes of Coady, Winks, Mavididi etc. That doesn't strike me as us having an owner that doesn't care anymore. I think now that the financial issues with King Power are so significant, that his heart isn't in trying to turn around a football club with uncertainty with potential sanctions related to PSR.

Whenever I hold a position I always try to understand the perspective of people who take the opposite stance. I'm struggling here. I don't see any coherent arguments on the opposite side at all. No one is making any coherent arguments explaining why they think the situation will improve under this ownership. I am confident enough in my position to make what in my opinion are compelling arguments as to why I think the situation under this ownership is likely to get substantially worse.

It's funny. I remember the last home game of the 07/08 season against Sheff Wednesday. We had not yet been relegated to League 1 but people were rightly furious that it looked like we were going down to the third tier for the first time in our history. People in the family stand were literally throwing their season tickets on the pitch and many were furious with Mandaric. This was after four years of the club struggling in the second tier. I genuinely think if we go down to League One at the end of this season we won't see the same level of anger from the wider fanbase. The mind boggles.

Just imagine if the club had been taken over by completely new ownership in November 2018 and things had gone exactly the same way since (including the FA cup win and the two fifth place finishes). The anger towards the ownership that had overseen the decline would be far greater. I've seen many of them make the argument that "at least we're not Sheffield Wednesday" when it's entirely possible that we could go the way of Sheffield Wednesday.

We don't. However, we should be doing better than this. These players aren't so bad for this level that we should just accept not competing in games.

Many people within the fanbase are still very much in denial about how bad things will get. We still have an enormous wage bill by championship standards, very little value in the squad and the prospect of a points deduction. The argument of "I've seen it worse, these younger fans don't know how good they've got it" is likely to have a very short shelf life.

Go back to picking bits of tissue out of your bumhole, you bad dickhead.

Arguably worse. Without Pearson and his time they might have just carried on throwing money at it without getting promoted and then we'd have been in all sorts of trouble. Edit. Sorry, I misread your comment. I thought you were suggesting that they would have been stuck in mid table the entire time and I was making the point that it may have gotten worse than that if it wasn't for Nige!

Abysmal manager. Genuinely don't think we'd have been any worse off keeping RvN.

'cause if my day keeps going this way I just might BREAK YOUR ****ING FACE TONIGHT!

Like any genre there was good and bad. The tail end of it was really bad though.

They are great to be fair.