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Even going back 4 or 5 years in PL he started the season well but his legs went after Christmas. Whether we've been going for CL or battling relegation he couldn't get the goals in the run in.

What's the situation with potentially losing points? Sheff United's lost points has proved costly ultimately for automatics.

11 league goals at home all season is pathetic. Two games to get a few more. Apparently Man City only scored 10 at home in 2006/07.

Ipswich had League One players that massively overachieved in Championship with the momentum of that promotion. They were nowhere near ready. Managerial decisions have killed us. Look at Wolves. They barely had a point when O'Neil was sacked but Pereira has massively turned them around. Van Nistelrooy was a disaster of an appointment and Cooper was a bad one. Didn't help that we went into the season expecting a points deduction.

Everton fans went nuclear when they were in relegation battles and refused to accept it and demanded better of the players and the board. We've meekly accepted 2 relegations in 3 years. We must hold the record for top flight relegations, at least in PL.

I was next to the away end. They sang consistently but the noise only really got going after the goal, they were nervy with the way the game went. I can relate a bit. Remember being at Old Trafford in 2016 and could barely watch the game let alone sing much. Felt sick in a lot of that run in. Once it was won could finally relax.

Don't mind him seeing his contract out in The Championship next year but nothing beyond that. Not up to the PL anymore.

We were lucky not to get relegated even as reigning champions. We just don't have what it takes to cement ourselves. Everton refuse to accept relegation and thus never go down..that's 5 relegation from PL and I guess a record.

This is the first relegation though. He was a bang average player but has forged a good career by his mentality. Southgate took him to tournaments with England because he's good in the dressing room. I don't mean banter but a good character. England missed that (him and Henderson) at the last Euros which was unhappy camp. Problem this season is he's just not up to Premier League football anymore, he was never that good anyway, and he's in a shambles of a defence which makes it worse. If you put Wes Morgan at the end of his career here in this team and he wouldn't cope. He helped the club bounce straight back last season but shouldn't have captained the club in the PL when he's not up to playing there.

If we'd appointed him in the first place before Everton did we wouldn't be in this mess. Everton getting Dyche and then Moyes has kept their heads above water. We appointed Dean Smith, Steve Cooper and Van Nistelrooy.

I think Coady is actually a good leader. He helped keep Everton up but they carried him by playing 3 at the back. Did well at Wolves but again they had to play 3 at the back and eventually let him go. He's past it now though and has no business playing at this level. Average Championship player at best.

Luton had more of a go last season with a fraction of the playing budget, probably the lowest in the league for a long time.

We'd have gone down but may have scraped 30 points or close. We weren't adrift when he went.

Same two years ago if we got Dyche before Everton. Dean Smith and Van Nistelrooy were the best we could do.

You don't have to pay him off though. Just sack him and continuing paying his salary. Throw someone else in as caretaker till the end of the season. We're down anyway.

Luton did better in PL last year than we did and are heading to League One, you don't know which way it'll go. Burnley and Sheff U could be coming back up again though. Ipswich are probably better placed at the moment to go back up. Us and Southampton need to lick our wounds for a season which we needed to last year after relegation. Neither were ready for promotion, although it saved the EFL throwing the book at us. Problem is if we don't go back up next season it'll be transfer embargoes and points deductions.

Yet again we appoint a no mark while Everton are clear of danger with a manager with a proven track record of getting teams out of trouble.

Why appoint someone in a PL relegation battle who has never done anything in management?

His purist style is totally unsuited for this squad/a relegation battle. We need a Dyche if we changed again.

Team massively low on confidence going into the game tbf after the run we've had. Problem is the team has looked fragile and devoid of confidence all season.

The squad simply isn't good enough for the PL. Ipswich at least have the advantage of having a team that their manager has built. Ruud is left with Cooper's rubbish, players signed for The Championship and rubbish nobody wanted after we went down last time (with some exceptions).

We were dreadful every game under Cooper but they had us out the bottom 3. Results have got even worse under Ruud and we're out the bottom 3! Astonishing but not sustainable. 17 points from 23 games. Doubled up over a Championship season that's 34. We went down with 52 under Holloway.

He bottled the two CL pushes. Had us punching above our weight but threw them away. I don't think we recovered from the 2nd one in his reign. His last season here he'd checked out but rather than walk just waited for his pay off, while the club didn't want to pay him off. That impasse relegated us and when you go down you lose your best players and when you come back up it's difficult to build a competive side again without spending big like Forest did.

Defied all logic that we were out the bottom 3 right up to Christmas. Was never sustainable which is why Cooper went. Doubt we even get out the bottom 3 again now.

To a degree but even in the 80s Liverpool won most of their home games, but would often slip up to Leicester. Even when we came up under Pearson and were bottom we drew there when Rodgers was still in charge. Forest won there this season but it's not a ground we've got anything from since Klopp took charge, even when we won the league and they were struggling.