Les-TA-Jon

Yeah but look at the careers of all those players since...oh wait...

But doesn't it just show that since 2019-2021 that glut of clubs have simply upped their game? It seems we were at the forefront of this wave of 'best of the rest' in 2019-2021, got it totally wrong (flying too close to the sun) and have since disastrously declined. Whereas your Villas, Palaces, Forests etc have done it better since - that's a recent phenomenon - at the time of finishing 5th twice with Rodgers, it was rare for a non-big 6 side to finish in the top 6. It's become more common since. I agree with the general sentiment that had we been better ran, by being at the forefront of that wave, we were best placed to ride it to more success than we had. But I don't think club's doing it better since makes our 2019-2021 era worse in retrospect - I think the league has generally 'upskilled'

This forum is littered with whataboutery posts that seem to think the FA, PL and EFL are all the same organisation with the same powers and jurisdiction...

On the other hand I don't think any of those teams will win the premier league anytime soon, much less with a team of cast offs and nobodies that cost £20m to put together. Perhaps it's revisionism but it's long been discussed on this forum that even in the 'good times' (i.e Ranieri / Rodgers) there has been several mistakes under KP - I don't think we ever had the foundations/structure for long term success/building like those listed teams have or have created for themselves. I think we had a couple of purple patches of good recruitment coupled with the 'right' manager at the same time.

Just discovered this thread. Probably not a good thing. But I'm here so... I was totally inactive and slightly overweight - started C25K back in March 2025 and have since lost 8KG and now run 10-20K / 2-3 times per week. As others have said - life changing stuff really.

I'd love to edit it for clarity, but 'The late Jan Kerfuffle' (RIP) is too funny

Isn't that what I'm saying?

Sounds like a Bob Mortimer character

Two things this season gave my a sneaking suspicion he really has very little to do with the day to day running of the club, especially when he's not in the country: The late Jan kerfuffle, where he turned for the Oxford (H) game, finally spoke to the media (where he publicly backed Marti and said he needed more time), then we disastrously lost the game and Cifuentes was sacked the next day. Would Marti have even been sacked if Top hadn't been in attendance? That stupid rallying cry/message he sent out before the Swansea (H) and Hull (H) games - he could have easily sent similar messages at any point in the several weeks beforehand, when the club was clearly in real risk of going down. But those messages only went out when he was here, attending matches. Weird...

One little thing I do every year is check the PL table after 30 matches played and look at side at the bottom. Then you say "That team is going to stay up and then win the league next season" Which of course, sounds insane! Like, Wolves staying up this season then winning it!

Top will lose a ton of money if he sells the club anytime soon, won't he? Think KP only leave in one of two circumstances: Club is re-established as a PL club and a buyer is found () Club goes into administration and KP are forced to move on

The 2023 relegation is arguably the worst PL relegation of all time, in terms of underperformance - and I agree with you that season was part of the beginning of the current death spiral. But whilst PSR had its part to play but I still contend that a good chunk of us going down that season was down to the overall mismanagement of the club. Binning off Kasper and believing Ward was ready to replace. Not sacking Rodgers when it was clear we were in trouble. Making the situation even worse with the Jan spending. Sacking Rodgers too late and wasting precious time and fixtures in replacing him. I think you put most other clubs that season in the same situation and they all stay up.

Except teams like Forest, Bournemouth, Villa, Brentford, Brighton have all been able to finish top 8 in recent years without hitting the self destruct button. The game absolutely protects the big 6 'cartel' and most financial rules protect the status quo, but Leicester's situation is not simply flying too close to the sun and having one bad season is it? It's 4-5 years+ of institutionalised mismanagement with no self-awareness or attempt to course correct - all coming home to roost.

Relegated with the points deduction = Topkin's fault because of mismanagement

L1 rules have actually gotten tighter with the new vote. Now only 50% of turnover can go on player/squad costs and only 50% of owner injection is allowable (Newly relegated clubs allowed 65% of turnover on squad costs for first year only)

PSR is about 'allowable' losses. SCR is about your 'player costs' can only be an allowable percentage of revenue. See below for my outline of League One rules, specifically

I wouldn't swap the FA cup win for finishing 4th or whatever. I do think though that had we not won the FA cup, Rodgers would have had less 'false credit' in the bank, and come the debacle of 2023, the club might have sacked him earlier and we could have stayed up. Which obviously changes the last 3 years or so. But Topkin have presided over such a disaster that we probably would have gone down in 2024 or whatever and had a similar, albeit less sharp, decline.

The club had just been disastrously relegated. Morale was in the toilet. Had lost a lot of players. Terrible preseason, disrupted by stupid trip to South East Asia. 14 wins out of opening 15 games. W19 D1 L3 in the first half of the season. Also think the 'near collapse' is a bit overstated on this forum: W12 D3 L8 in the second half. It's a weird stick that people use to beat him with anyway - 'we nearly didn't win the title you know' ...OK, but we did, so...?

It's not really about whether the spying does or doesn't give an advantage, or to what extent. It's more just shady, unethical stuff for teams in 'fair' competition to be doing to each other.

Sure. It's just that you were talking about it in reference to the previous relegation to League One, which was under Mandaric, not KP

This is true for any seasons in League One - but I don't think it's the get out of jail free card people are describing - if we get promoted back to the Championship, we'll be under PSR again and any losses vs book value that occurred will still 'count'. This rabble haven't been able to follow one set of financial rules. I have little confidence in their ability to managed two!

Agree - but it was Mandaric who appointed NP in 2008 - the Thais didn't appoint NP until after Sven left, in 2011

Pretty sure they knew they were going to sack him. They just waited to see which financial year could stomach the cost of doing so.

Exactly

We didn't have pull in the PL after being promoted with almost 100 points. We didn't have pull in the PL whilst 16th. We didn't have pull in the Championship when expected to challenge for title or playoffs. We didn't have pull in the Championship when bottom half. But yeah, we'll have pull in League One - after a 3rd relegation in 4 years, becoming the first team to ever be relegated from the 2nd division with the highest wage bill and becoming only the 5th team ever to be double relegated from the 1st division.