Dan

Rodgers can **** off but they had plenty of time to stop it getting to this. Everything else they've done (or haven't done) has put us even further in the shit. It was obvious quite early into the 2022/23 season that we could go down and they just let it happen.

They're absolutely taking the piss out of him. You know as bad as he's been, and he has been appallingly bad, I do wonder if he's had wind of them taking the piss from day one, right to the whole nonsense about his backroom staff and he's very much been doing it back. What a terrible way to operate. Even Southampton, as embarrassing as they are look like they're getting their act together a bit with an exciting new manager appointed. Meanwhile we can't even tell the bloke what's going on. What the **** are they doing?

Sums up how easy a ride they've been given from 90% of the fanbase. I don't think you get away with this elsewhere. Agree with whoever said we're the biggest sportswashing job there is.

40 days with the manager still in charge is totally absurd though.

This club really is a complete circus. It really is as if they've given up.

You feel this with the majority of the discussions on our players. Vast majority we're debating should be out the door.

Stringer quite clearly has a massive conflict of interest. Only explanation.

Heard a podcast with an American who quite recently joined West Brom. Came across very well and clearly has a good head on his shoulders. Not saying they'll become a top club or anything but I'd have more hope listening to him than what anyone at LCFC gives me. Our descent isn't over yet, these clubs are less powerful than us currently but it doesn't last forever. Brentford and Wolves potentially taking our best players is another eye opener. All they know is decline.

The problem is though our success has skewed reality. We didn't get success because we recklessly threw money around, we got it through sensible and often incredible recruitment. It's a convenient narrative for the current hierarchy of LCFC as they can blame these rules (which are a problem by the way) and deflect from their own rank incompetence. The lines are blurred.

I've never felt as down about us as September 2022. I knew that month we were done.

Speakman is somebody I was hoping we'd go for. I mean obviously we won't as we will never bin Teflon Jon but no chance now they're a league above us. I do fear more and more clubs are going to do what Ipswich have just done - go up and bank the money. It's prudent and it beats what we've done, but it's going to make for a very drab league. I fully anticipate Sunderland doing similar.

The entire culture issue comes right from the top. The time to be asking Aiyawatt to change the people below him was a couple of years ago. He has proven he has no interest in doing this and therefore, under his ownership, we will stagnate at best and continue our descent at worst. His time was up a while ago for me. Every fear you could've had about him has come true. I'm baffled at how people still back him.

I do think Charlton will probably go back down. It's quite unfortunate for them to go up with Birmingham and Wrexham.

I've long suspected this. If there's one thing they're good at it's reputation management. Finally it's running out though.

Just such an obviously better fit. He's got massive shades of being this years Corberan.

Genuinely is he an outfielder?

Another shit thing about appointing Martin is it's another lightning rod to deflect attention away from the real issues. You didn't hear much about Rudkin when we had Cooper in charge. Perfect fall guy for this lot. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the more important thing for them, rather than his possession obsession.

Martin's teams consistently ship goals. I don't recall a team being promoted conceding 63 goals until Southampton did it. His record really is just quite patchy. I don't expect him to be a complete calamity at this level as a general rule. But I wouldn't be surprised if he cemented our position as an average Championship side.

111 points is insane though regardless. They seemed a very consistent winning machine rather than a team that dealt out many real batterings. I wonder how high into the Championship you would have to delve to get a team who would actually get 111 points in the league. Would Coventry? Would Norwich? I have my doubts. I think there's a chance they're already better than both.

I'm not saying it's easy but I wouldn't be using ourselves as the example - we are especially dreadful at it. It's the sort of thing a good DoF can give you an upper hand. Although ours isn't good, he's the so called best in the business. How lucky we truly are.

Agree with this. They like us habitually lose games of football. They were awful. They will probably have the best squad but they're not in a good way. I really do think Birmingham can go up.

The bookies won't offer value on the assumption a team won't be deducted points. For our price to be a lot bigger than Ipswich and Southampton, rather than in line with them both, tells me they're pretty certain we'll be docked points. If we weren't getting a points deduction then the odds on Leicester being promoted, and Leicester winning the Championship, are huge value. Even I as somebody utterly despondent about the club would bet on both.

The biggest problem I have here is that two years ago we were in exactly this position. Bomb out the toxic players and bring in hungry ones. Well Winks was part of this initial revolution and it's gone the same way with him as well. My question is why does this keep happening no matter who comes in? I actually don't necessarily think he was always some bad egg. I just think there is very much a culture issue at this club which seems to rot virtually everybody who is involved in it. The two main factors both ultimately stem from Aiyawatt - he sets the bar with the tolerance of people like Rudkin & Whelan, and the fact he's always got the players backs. They know they can take the piss here. Remember Faes? Genuinely humble when he got here now thinks he's above it. It's poisonous.

Will probably join someone more ambitious and better run like Burnley or Bournemouth.

Winks reminds me a bit of someone like Leon Britton if people remember him. He had a similar style of play. I think if the circumstances are built for him then he can be a useful player. If they're not, he's pretty hopeless. Maresca created a situation very beneficial to Winks. The club haven't and therefore it's been another pretty short-sighted signing.