Next Leader of the Opposition

[bmt]

Do people think voting for Corbyn will solve the food bank problem?

Have they not looked at Greece?

Food banks are popular because free food is popular, I know a guy who has been a few times, always got money for booze and fags.

 

Syriza has been largely ineffective because of the unworkable conditions the EU has imposed on them.

 

So I am asked for watertight statistics and yet you can provide the 'I know a guy' anecdote and use that as evidence for the rest of the nation.

[Guest Bilo]

Do people think voting for Corbyn will solve the food bank problem?

Have they not looked at Greece?

Food banks are popular because free food is popular, I know a guy who has been a few times, always got money for booze and fags.

 

You'll always get somebody taking the mick, but you know it's not as simple as that. People have always wanted free stuff, it's not something that people suddenly switched onto in 2010. 

[Frank to be]

It's such a lazy cliche, it's untrue.

This is probably the most socially liberal Tory government for decades, and Blair's government probably the most centrist Labour government ever, and they're still poles apart in terms of policy when the 'they're all the same' brigade would have you thinking they're the same mob in different colour ties.

I think "they're all the same" usually refers to the lies. They are all the same in the sense that what they actually do when they're in power is always different to what was in their manifesto. British politics is like a box of chocolates...

[Webbo]

You'll always get somebody taking the mick, but you know it's not as simple as that. People have always wanted free stuff, it's not something that people suddenly switched onto in 2010. 

Nobody's claiming that. If you make it easier for people though, more people will do it.

[bmt]

I think "they're all the same" usually refers to the lies. They are all the same in the sense that what they actually do when they're in power is always different to what was in their manifesto. British politics is like a box of chocolates...

 

Whereas Corbyn actually practices what he preaches and has integrity, eg lowest expenses claimant in the house of commons.

[bmt]

Nobody's claiming that. If you make it easier for people though, more people will do it.

 

Where is your evidence that the causation runs that way out of interest, seeing as I wasn't allowed 'anecdotal' evidence?

[Webbo]

Syriza has been largely ineffective because of the unworkable conditions the EU has imposed on them.

 

The EU will let Greece do what they want with their own money, the problem was Greece wanted everybody else to pay for it.

[Buce]

British politics is like a box of chocolates...

Full of shit and makes you sick?

[Webbo]

Where is your evidence that the causation runs that way out of interest, seeing as I wasn't allowed 'anecdotal' evidence?

It has got easier because there are more foodbanks. There is an army of people publicising foodbanks by repeatedly telling us how offended they are by them. It's as good a theory as your's.

[Guest MattP]

Syriza weren't an effective government because they had no compromise, something we'll see again from Corbyn, who in reality is a glorified protestor rather than a politician.

I don't think having low expense claims denotes someone has integrity (although he should be among the lowest living in Islington and generally looking like he's never had a wash), even more when that same person has donated public money to holocaust deniers.

[bmt]

The EU will let Greece do what they want with their own money, the problem was Greece wanted everybody else to pay for it.

 

Imagine you were starting up a business, and I let you borrow the cash.

The first few years were difficult, you had high costs and low turnover.

Then you bring a new manager in to sort it out, he decides you need to get someone in to advertise in order to increase sales to make profits to pay me back.

I want my money back, so I can either lend you the money for the advertising, cut the debt so you can grow organically or make you sack 1 of your production team so that his wage is saved.

 

I would probably lend you the money if you had a good business plan, and you would probably expect the same.

 

Instead I make you sack half your production force and expect to be paid back from the savings.

Then I blame the new manager who had nothing to do with the problem in the first place and wasn't able to implement his ideas.

 

 

Such is your criticism of Syriza.

[bmt]

It has got easier because there are more foodbanks. There is an army of people publicising foodbanks by repeatedly telling us how offended they are by them. It's as good a theory as your's.

 

You are missing the fact you need to be referred to food banks though, you can't just rock up.

 

 

 

http://www.trusselltrust.org/how-it-works

Frontline care professionals identify people in need

Care professionals such as doctors, health visitors, social workers, CAB and police identify people in crisis and issue them with a foodbank voucher. Foodbanks partner with a wide range of care professionals who are best placed to assess need and make sure that it is genuine.

[Guest MattP]

What if the advertising was taking a giant dump on the customer base?

Should I still back it with more borrowed money despite knowing it would fail?

Can't seriously be people out there still who genuinely believe Greece can pay this back? It's madness.

[bmt]

What if the advertising was taking a giant dump on the customer base?

Should I still back it with more borrowed money despite knowing it would fail?

Can't seriously be people out there still who genuinely believe Greece can pay this back? It's madness.

 

Well it turns out the business was never going to work anyway on the original terms anyway, I was just trying to show the manager shouldn't be blamed.

 

No they themselves acknowledged they needed to trim the debt. It's just about the future for Greece, unfortunately it looks very dark when it could have been better if the lenders had accepted a hit on what they had given (which everyone knows they will have to do eventually anyway).

 

Anyway I apologise for leading this conversation down a completely unrelated pathway. I just don't think the left should be disregarded because they have 'failed' in Greece when realistically it was an impossible job that they haven't even been given EU support in to the required level.

[Webbo]

Imagine you were starting up a business, and I let you borrow the cash.

The first few years were difficult, you had high costs and low turnover.

Then you bring a new manager in to sort it out, he decides you need to get someone in to advertise in order to increase sales to make profits to pay me back.

I want my money back, so I can either lend you the money for the advertising, cut the debt so you can grow organically or make you sack 1 of your production team so that his wage is saved.

 

I would probably lend you the money if you had a good business plan, and you would probably expect the same.

 

Instead I make you sack half your prediction force and expect to be paid back from the savings.

Then I blame the new manager who had nothing to do with the problem in the first place and wasn't able to implement his ideas.

 

 

Such is your criticism of Syriza.

Imagine you started a business and I let you borrow the cash.

Then you don't collect what's owed to you by your customers.

Then you give give your workers a massive raise you couldn't afford.

When you can't pay the money back the lender lets you off with some of the debt  and lend you some more at a very good rate as long as you act more responsibly .

Once you've taken more of the money  and don't make any reforms, you call the lender a Nazi and threaten to gyp them for the money.

 

Then you still need some money to live on so you come back to me back and ask for some more.

 

 

That's Syriza. A bunch of fcking morons.

[Webbo]

You are missing the fact you need to be referred to food banks though, you can't just rock up.

 

 

 

http://www.trusselltrust.org/how-it-works

Frontline care professionals identify people in need

Care professionals such as doctors, health visitors, social workers, CAB and police identify people in crisis and issue them with a foodbank voucher. Foodbanks partner with a wide range of care professionals who are best placed to assess need and make sure that it is genuine.

And we all know that these people are so upright and diligent that they wouldn't just refer someone for an easy life.

[Guest MattP]

Compared to the Greens Syriza look fiscally competent mind.

[bmt]

Imagine you started a business and I let you borrow the cash.

Then you don't collect what's owed to you by your customers.

Then you give give your workers a massive raise you couldn't afford.

When you can't pay the money back the lender lets you off with some of the debt  and lend you some more at a very good rate as long as you act more responsibly .

Once you've taken more of the money you call the lender a Nazi and threaten to gyp them for the money.

 

Then you still need some money to live on so you come back to me back and ask for some more.

 

 

That's Syriza. A bunch of fcking morons.

Hahaha. Touché. I think the true story is probably somewhere in between.

[bmt]

And we all know that these people are so upright and diligent that they wouldn't just refer someone for an easy life.

 

I am sure that would be the exception rather than the rule. For someone who said they don't want anecdotal evidence earlier, you sure do rely on it a lot.

[bmt]

Compared to the Greens Syriza look fiscally competent mind.

 

Some of the Greens figures are slightly far-fetched, but then so are all parties. They do have basis in contemporary macroeconomic thought, unlike austerity which has been denounced widely in economic circles.

[Buce]

I am sure that would be the exception rather than the rule. For someone who said they don't want anecdotal evidence earlier, you sure do rely on it a lot.

That wasn't even anecdotal evidence; in fact, it wasn't evidence of any kind.

[Guest MattP]

Slightly far fetched?

They had a citizens income policy costed at 8 billion, 272 billion away from its actual 280 billion cost.

And that was with micronomics that intended to reduce the overall tax take.

[bmt]

Slightly far fetched?

They had a citizens income policy costed at 8 billion, 272 billion away from its actual 280 billion cost.

And that was with micronomics that intended to reduce the overall tax take.

 

Do you have a link for that? I remember hearing something about it but I read through the citizens income proposal and the criticism seemed to miss out the other benefit reductions and tax changes which would pay for it. Also it wasn't in the manifesto.

[Guest MattP]

I thought they had left it on to be honest.

YouTube "Andrew Neil Natalie Bennett" interview and it covers a lot of Green policy.

[Webbo]

I am sure that would be the exception rather than the rule. For someone who said they don't want anecdotal evidence earlier, you sure do rely on it a lot.

It's been recently in the news that Doctors prescribe antibiotics to patients even when they're of no use at all, just for a quiet life. We all know this kind of thing goes off, we'd probably all do the same ourselves.It's human nature.