Next Leader of the Opposition

[cityfanlee23]

Interesting interview with Tony Blair the other day on Corbyn, and to be honest I had to agree with TB on most of what he said, in todays world it's not about being a "politician" it's about being a "Progressive" 

Policies need to move with the times, This is the biggest danger that corbyn serves to the country, that he pushes the easily swayed to the left, because his socialism would destroy us.

 

Tony blair was a fantastic leader, not the best politician, but wars, banking deregulation and other bad policies aside he done a huge amount of good for this country, and he modernised us as thatcher did in the 80's

 

This style of modernisation needs to happen every 10 years or even sooner with the way the world is developing at the rate it is.

corbyn with his Investment bank ideas is something different, unfortunately the majority of his policies are dangerously regressive. 

 

We need a government of progressives that move with the times. 

[cityfanlee23]

Behave, these economic and social policies might go down well on the floor of a student union but they have no place in the modern World, it's pure fantasy, the top 1% contribute 30% of the tax take, when Labour went after the rich in the 70's that dropped to about 8%, it would probably drop even lower these days as we have freedom of movement and these people are the ones who can just up and leave whilst affording to do so.

 

If you want more recent examples then just look across the borders at the French tax rates and wealth tax and see how you manage to end up losing money doing it, as usual the rich will toddle off and the middle and lower classes will end up having to pay more for huge public spending.

 

His comments comparing IS to US soldiers were absolutely appalling as well.

 

Islamic State quite deliberately and proudly murders anyone opposed to it on the basis of faith, gender and sexuality. The US forces in Fallujah fought under specific and strict orders to limit civilian casualties, even to the extent of placing themselves in greater danger. A small minority of American soldiers disobeyed those orders. No US soldiers, however, threw a man off a high building because they thought he was gay. Or stoned a woman to death because she was inconveniently outspoken. Or forced a teenager to become a suicide bomber. Or systematically enslaved and raped Yazidi women. Nor, while some US troops certainly mistreated some prisoners, did American soldiers routinely parade and execute captured Iraqis.

 

He has referred to both Hamas and Hezbollah, organisations committed to the destruction of Israel, as “friends.” He has long campaigned for the lifting of United Nations sanctions imposed on Iran in an attempt to curtail that country’s uranium enrichment programme.

 

He isn't fit to run a raffle, let alone a major political party. I'll sell up and go on the dole if Corbyn became PM.

 

You'd be rich aswell, Agree with this completely.

 

We need a left wing party to force socialist views to the table, I believe in capitalism, but let's not pretend if given a free reign the tories would try to push us even further right because they will.

 

Those socialist views need to be at the table to spark debate.

 

Socialism has no place in the uk as a majority government though.

[Frank to be]

Behave, these economic and social policies might go down well on the floor of a student union but they have no place in the modern World, it's pure fantasy, the top 1% contribute 30% of the tax take, when Labour went after the rich in the 70's that dropped to about 8%, it would probably drop even lower these days as we have freedom of movement and these people are the ones who can just up and leave whilst affording to do so.

 

If you want more recent examples then just look across the borders at the French tax rates and wealth tax and see how you manage to end up losing money doing it, as usual the rich will toddle off and the middle and lower classes will end up having to pay more for huge public spending.

 

His comments comparing IS to US soldiers were absolutely appalling as well.

 

Islamic State quite deliberately and proudly murders anyone opposed to it on the basis of faith, gender and sexuality. The US forces in Fallujah fought under specific and strict orders to limit civilian casualties, even to the extent of placing themselves in greater danger. A small minority of American soldiers disobeyed those orders. No US soldiers, however, threw a man off a high building because they thought he was gay. Or stoned a woman to death because she was inconveniently outspoken. Or forced a teenager to become a suicide bomber. Or systematically enslaved and raped Yazidi women. Nor, while some US troops certainly mistreated some prisoners, did American soldiers routinely parade and execute captured Iraqis.

 

He has referred to both Hamas and Hezbollah, organisations committed to the destruction of Israel, as “friends.” He has long campaigned for the lifting of United Nations sanctions imposed on Iran in an attempt to curtail that country’s uranium enrichment programme.

 

He isn't fit to run a raffle, let alone a major political party. I'll sell up and go on the dole if Corbyn became PM.

 

Wages grew in France between 2008 and 2013 while wages in Britain fell by more than 6% over the same period. They also have a higher minimum wage, higher productivity and work less hours. What's your priority, wage growth and living standards for ordinary people or billionaires being a few million richer?

[Webbo]

Wages grew in France between 2008 and 2013 while wages in Britain fell by more than 6% over the same period. They also have a higher minimum wage, higher productivity and work less hours. What's your priority, wage growth and living standards for ordinary people or billionaires being a few million richer?

You seem very clued up on France, do you live there?

[leicsmac]

You seem very clued up on France, do you live there?

 

Objection. Leading question. 

[Danno]

Jeremy corbyn a socialist

[Rincewind]

I think wars and banking errors are not really trivial things to have on your record.

[Buce]

In the guardian online:

More than forty leading economists, including a former advisor to the Bank of England, have endorsed Corbyn's economic vision.

I suppose they're all lefties, too...

[Dr The Singh]

In the guardian online:

More than forty leading economists, including a former advisor to the Bank of England, have endorsed Corbyn's economic vision.

I suppose they're all lefties, too...

Out of how many????

[Webbo]

In the guardian online:

More than forty leading economists, including a former advisor to the Bank of England, have endorsed Corbyn's economic vision.

I suppose they're all lefties, too...

Leading economists?

 

There are thousands of economists, It can't be hard to find 40 that agree with you.

[Rincewind]

or disagree.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Interesting interview with Tony Blair the other day on Corbyn, and to be honest I had to agree with TB on most of what he said, in todays world it's not about being a "politician" it's about being a "Progressive" 

Policies need to move with the times, This is the biggest danger that corbyn serves to the country, that he pushes the easily swayed to the left, because his socialism would destroy us.

 

Tony blair was a fantastic leader, not the best politician, but wars, banking deregulation and other bad policies aside he done a huge amount of good for this country, and he modernised us as thatcher did in the 80's

 

This style of modernisation needs to happen every 10 years or even sooner with the way the world is developing at the rate it is.

corbyn with his Investment bank ideas is something different, unfortunately the majority of his policies are dangerously regressive. 

 

We need a government of progressives that move with the times. 

**** off are you being serious

[Danno]

**** off are you being serious

He was bad enough on the lcfc forum. God almighty.

[Claridge]

In the guardian online:

More than forty leading economists, including a former advisor to the Bank of England, have endorsed Corbyn's economic vision.

I suppose they're all lefties, too...

Wow.

Probably economic teachers from some shitty poly, but never mind they read the Gaurdian.

[Rincewind]

And if they read the Mail they would be right?

[bovril]

Wow.

Probably economic teachers from some shitty poly, but never mind they read the Gaurdian.

 

You ignored the bit about former adviser to the Bank of England?

 

What do you do by the way? I take it you have a valuable degree from a prestigious University and work in a highly-skilled job, given that you look down your nose at teachers from a 'shitty poly'. Double 1st from Oxford?

[Strokes]

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[Guest MattP]

Why people still take everything economists say as gospel after the last few years is bizarre, the former advisor to the bank of England we talk about here has got everything he predicted wrong since 2010.

They'd be making millions on the markets if they really knew what was happening.

[SMX11]

Socialist economists supporting socialist views shocker.

[Rincewind]

Tory  supporters dismissing economists findings out of hand who do not say what they want to hear shocker.

[Guest MattP]

You mean have predicted everything wrong over the last five years Ken.

[SMX11]

I am not a tory supporter, I hate the current tory front bench.

I just know printing money won't solve anything and will only harm us in the medium/long term.

[Rincewind]

I see where the Job Centres released over 2k from jobs a while back. Now they have employed over  3k on a part time and no contract basis. We are going to end up a nation of part time workers. But if you are not one of those doing it why worry.

 

When the leadership election Harriet Harmon said something to affect, ' With the £3 membership fee we should get everyone we can to the hastings even if they voted Tory or SNP before.'

 

In a speech the other day she said that they do not want people in the party that do not support them, she said to join and not support is wrong, if you are a Tory vote in the Tory leadership we don't want you.'

 

This is what grinds my gears about politics.I have had enough of this thread and others like it.

[Guest MattP]

When did Harriet Harman say anything like that? It doesn't make sense.

Do you mean hustings as well?

[Rincewind]

May 18th

 

In a speech at Labour HQ in London, Harman said she wanted to “let the public in” to the contest, and said that people who were not party members or affiliated supporters through a union or Labour-linked organisation would be able to vote.

She said: “Anyone – providing they are on the electoral register – can become a registered supporter, pay £3 and have a vote to decide our next leader. This is the first time a political party in this country has opened up its leadership contest in this way and I think there will be a real appetite for it out there.”

 

Can't find the full speech so this may be out of context. This was more recent.

 

She said it was “dishonest and shameful” for Conservatives to sign up to vote, many in the belief that a Corbyn victory would harm Labour’s electoral chances, but stressed her determination that only Labour supporters would be able to vote in the contest.

 

Trying to be fair though, I don't think anyone thought Corbyn would prove to be so popular, Even without the 'infiltrators'  there will a large number of ex-Labour supporters or in agreement with Corbyn who would have registered. This is mainly scare stories to turn people against him.

Rightly or wrongly if someone wants to vote for him then they should.