Guest MattP Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Tomorrow's Corbyn story is giving prisoners the vote. I'm almost convinced he's doing this on purpose now.
Mark_w Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Can;t see a problem if a train is empty When did you last go on a train?
purpleronnie Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Well 40 leading Economists back Corbyns anti austerity measures. I'm sure the smear campaigh will carry on full force though. Pathetic though it is.
Guest MattP Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Leading economists? You've not read the list have you Ron. Just had Radio on, the Labour leader of the Welsh assembly has said they'll struggle in the elections next year with a divided party, response from studio Corbynite? You got it. "Welsh Labour are just Tories now anyway"
Guest Bilo Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Tomorrow's Corbyn story is giving prisoners the vote. I'm almost convinced he's doing this on purpose now. His lemmings will still be lining up to say what a sensible policy it is. We're at the stage now where he could call for another Kristallnacht and he'd have supporters smashing up M&S within the hour, if they could tear themselves away from calling longstanding Labour members Tories for a few minutes of course. Well 40 leading Economists back Corbyns anti austerity measures. I'm sure the smear campaigh will carry on full force though. Pathetic though it is. An interesting article on those backing Corbynomics. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/jeremy-corbyns-useful-economists-who-signed-letter-endorsing-corbynomics-1516822
SMX11 Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 I suggest you read this http://www.douglascarswell.com/downloads/after-osbrown.pdf
bmt Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Leading economists? You've not read the list have you Ron. I don't really understand the criticism, obviously they're going to be left-leaning economists, they're endorsing left wing economics. It doesn't mean it's wrong. There are also some leading economists on the list. The tide of 'good' economics (well what I have experienced as an economics student) has moved towards left-wing theories as austerity has been shown to be ineffective (I'm sure everyone has read the Krugman article which explains this very straightforwardly, but there is a host of other evidence).
bmt Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Oh he has Ken, just have a watch of him trying to squirm out of any recent interview where he is asked why he refers to Hamas and Hizbolloh as his friends. He didn't squirm out of that, he didn't answer it because it is a stupid and insulting question. It was a figure of speech. It is also important not to alienate people to discuss overcoming a conflict and therefore referring to them as he would any other group is a good way to welcome them to discussions.
The Doctor Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Tomorrow's Corbyn story is giving prisoners the vote. I'm almost convinced he's doing this on purpose now. Eh, not the worst idea in the world - I'd definitely give it to minor offenders and those out during the course of the next parliament; if you're going to live in a society you deserve a voice as to how it's run.
Strokes Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Eh, not the worst idea in the world - I'd definitely give it to minor offenders and those out during the course of the next parliament; if you're going to live in a society you deserve a voice as to how it's run.They don't get that option because as things stand they are not fit to be a part of society, prison is already a joke why not go the whole hog and unlock the gates.
The Doctor Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 They don't get that option because as things stand they are not fit to be a part of society, prison is already a joke why not go the whole hog and unlock the gates. And if they're due for release during the course of that parliament then they'd be judged fit to be part of that society... No, prison really isn't a joke - the people who claim that tend to have a completely messed up and petty view demanding punishment over rehabilitation - it's no coincidence that the likes of Norway with their "soft" prison systems have low reoffending rates
bmt Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 And if they're due for release during the course of that parliament then they'd be judged fit to be part of that society... No, prison really isn't a joke - the people who claim that tend to have a completely messed up and petty view demanding punishment over rehabilitation - it's no coincidence that the likes of Norway with their "soft" prison systems have low reoffending rates Furthermore, offering prisoners you are trying to rehabilitate the vote immediately makes them feel more a member of society and less like social outcasts as the current prison system makes them.
Bettsj2 Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Tomorrow's Corbyn story is giving prisoners the vote. I'm almost convinced he's doing this on purpose now. Can you imagine if when giving his victory speech he just says 'GEEEETTT ****ED!' and walks off into the sunset.
Guest Bilo Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Can you imagine if when giving his victory speech he just says 'GEEEETTT ****ED!' and walks off into the sunset. Basically a re-run of this for five years, then.
Claridge Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Furthermore, offering prisoners you are trying to rehabilitate the vote immediately makes them feel more a member of society and less like social outcasts as the current prison system makes them. Are criminals in jail not social outcasts?thought that was the idea
The Doctor Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Are criminals in jail not social outcasts?thought that was the idea They are but they shouldn't be. If you just lock someone up for a few years, they don't learn anything from it and they aren't well adjusted to return to society.
Webbo Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 I don't really understand the criticism, obviously they're going to be left-leaning economists, they're endorsing left wing economics. It doesn't mean it's wrong. There are also some leading economists on the list. The tide of 'good' economics (well what I have experienced as an economics student) has moved towards left-wing theories as austerity has been shown to be ineffective (I'm sure everyone has read the Krugman article which explains this very straightforwardly, but there is a host of other evidence). They weren't described as left leaning they were described as leading, suggesting unbiased experts. If austerity isn't working how come the economy is doing so well?
The Doctor Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 They weren't described as left leaning they were described as leading, suggesting unbiased experts. If austerity isn't working how come the economy is doing so well? If you chuck a bungee jumper off a cliff, why does he start to pull back up? Economic recovery was inevitable, it's a natural cycle of boom and bust - the problem with austerity is that, iirc, it's slowed the recovery.
Webbo Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 If you chuck a bungee jumper off a cliff, why does he start to pull back up? Economic recovery was inevitable, it's a natural cycle of boom and bust - the problem with austerity is that, iirc, it's slowed the recovery. And yet our recovery has been better than most.
Rincewind Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 I take it that none of you saying it is a stupid idea are women or have been raped? It was not Corbyns idea. He said he would have consultations with women's groups. The idea is not to force the women to be segregated but given a choice. In that context I see it as a sensible move. Before dismissing the idea as stupid or barmy I would first like to see how it would be implemented. Even Corbyn will not know as no consultations have taken place. Take a step back and think about it as a husband, BF or father of a female.
Rincewind Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 He didn't squirm out of that, he didn't answer it because it is a stupid and insulting question. It was a figure of speech. It is also important not to alienate people to discuss overcoming a conflict and therefore referring to them as he would any other group is a good way to welcome them to discussions. I am sure he is not bosom buddies with them just like opposition MP's calling each other 'honourable member'. If there are plans to have peace talks which is inevitable at some point then as you say it is best not to alienate either one. What he thinks of them in private may be completely different.
bmt Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 And yet our recovery has been better than most. In the years where austerity was cut back... They weren't described as left leaning they were described as leading, suggesting unbiased experts. If austerity isn't working how come the economy is doing so well? But they are leading economists...
Webbo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 In the years where austerity was cut back... But they are leading economists... So the cuts have stopped? Also if you read Bilos link one of them isn't even an economist.
bmt Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 So the cuts have stopped? Also if you read Bilos link one of them isn't even an economist. No but the growth has been hampered most in the years where the cuts have been at their sharpest, which were then relaxed in the 2 or 3 years leading up to the election. And by relaxed I mean no deeper cuts imposed. http://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion. Scroll down to charts 2 and 3. I have read the list of economists, I have had the pleasure of attending talks by a few of them (Leeds Uni). However that letter is more to say austerity is a damaging influence to the economy and not a positive one, rather than a carte blanche acceptance of Corbyn's policies. There is a set precedent for QE to be used effectively alongside other measures, as I'm sure Labour's plan would be with Corbyn at the helm. If you don't like that list of economists http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/12/osborne-plan-has-no-basis-in-economicshas a different bunch of anti-austerity economists, with some of the same list but also some who are undeniably amongst the best economists of our time (Ha Joon Chang was named one of the 20 most important contemporary thinkers in the world). Furthermore, Krugman himself is a brilliant economist.
BoneDog Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 You have to laugh looking at some of the people who are calling for Corbyn to apologise to all Jewish people. Most, if not all of them (Corbyn finger pointers, not Jewish people) are massive supporters of what can only be described as an apartheid regime with a despicable record of abuse, and yet they try to paint Corbyn as The Racist Son of Satan. The fact that Corbyn would probably re-instate the universal jurisdiction legislation which was recently scrapped might be upsetting them.
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