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[sylofox]

Not sure why people are getting so het up about this.

 

The owners are not going to ask our permission to build it they will just do it.

 

So will the anti mob not attend games any more?

[davieG]

 glad you found it as amusing as me. 

 

Clearly davieG doesn't get the humour.

Oh I can get a joke but it's generally only funny the first time you hear it even variations of it don't make me laugh.

 

Besides for you and a few others that's pretty much all you've offered.

 

As it happens I have no personal need for the club to expand the stadium i'm perfectly happy with my ST in my chosen seat, in fact if it's the East Stand that's expanded I'm sure i'll be inconvenienced by it at some point and may even have to move but this thread in the main has been a discussion about the pros and cons of expanding.

 

I can see many pros from the clubs point of view and from those fans who are missing out on getting to games the number of arguments against you can seemingly put on one finger because those against it that's all they've come up with.

[Ollie93]

Now the laughing is over so lets get back to some good old fashioned hostility. 

 

What you've just said is so short sighted, with that attitude we'd still be playing in front of 20,000 at Filbert Street.

 

Having a stadium for the elite 23,000 maximum ST holders is ridiculous.

 

If we want to progress as club we have to maximise our potential.

 

Stand still and we fall behind, it's as simple as that.

 

Because you lose out on money the games it would have sold out. Because those who come for some games might get the bug and start coming to all of them. They might then bring their kids, or convince a friend. That's how growth works. Why do you think we built a 32,000 stadium instead of a new shiny 21,000 stadium that matched the size of Filbert Street? Because we wanted to grow... and guess what we're now filling those extra seats. Using your logic we'd have been limited to a 21,000 seater forever.

 

 

Because we aren't meeting demand, more people want to go than we can fit in the stadium. Season tickets have sold out!! Why should those people not be able to come, just becuase you don't want to see some empty seats.

 

 

I'm sorry... but what? What does that have to do with anything really? We've also had shit atmosphere's in the ground when it's full. We've had better atmospheres in the championship with 24,000 people, than we have in this league with 32,000. Do you realise that 32,000 people singing will sound almost identical whether you're in a 32,000 stadium or a 42,000 stadium. It's people not singing that causes bad atmospheres. Not empty seats.

 

 

The only stupid statement is the one you've just written. How exactly do you ever expect to grow as a club without expansion, you will always be limited.

 

Oh I can get a joke but it's generally only funny the first time you hear it even variations of it don't make me laugh.

 

Besides for you and a few others that's pretty much all you've offered.

 

As it happens I have no personal need for the club to expand the stadium i'm perfectly happy with my ST in my chosen seat, in fact if it's the East Stand that's expanded I'm sure i'll be inconvenienced by it at some point and may even have to move but this thread in the main has been a discussion about the pros and cons of expanding.

 

I can see many pros from the clubs point of view and from those fans who are missing out on getting to games the number of arguments against you can seemingly put on one finger because those against it that's all they've come up with.

 

You three have your views and I have mine, if the owners decide to do it they will if they don't they won't. I'm pretty bored of debating this topic now. 

[4everfox]

How do you create a poll to settle this once and for all? I have no clue how to make one, can somebody more accustomed to this forum do it to find out who is in the minority? In favour of stadium expansion and against stadium expansion.

[Finnaldo]

A couple of years ago, the Wolves game at home, snowed in with only 9,000 in attendance was arguably the best atmosphere we had that season. Whether we have a couple of empty seats or not it will not affect the atmosphere it could only serve to improve it with more people.

People worried we'll have empty seats if we go down. News flash: we'll have empty seats anyway. We got around 20-25,000 in an average Championship game and all it means is they'll be a few more empty.

If you are worrying more about 10-15,000 empty seats on a bad day than you're excited about a cracking atmosphere of 42,000, then I can't see your argument at all. Point is only a few are lucky enough to get in at the moment and if we're to stay in the Premier League for a few more years it's likely that tickets will continue to be hard to come by.

In my eyes, getting cheered on by 37,000 with 5,000 empty seats is better than getting cheered on by only 32,000.

[TOMBlcfc]

I think that expansion would show our intent and could only be a positive regarding atmosphere, morale and growth. If we go down then I'm sure we'll work our hardest to get straight back up; with the stadium being our symbol that we are big enough for prem football

[tylesta]

Nobody has said that though have they. The point people are making is fairly obvious but being twisted by those against it.

Expanding the capacity gives us room to grow, it means we can meet current demand. The extra revenue enables you to potentially get better players, in turn improving performance, in turn attracting more people.... and so on.

People keep pointing to Swansea in this thread. They went from an 11,000 ground, to a 20,000 ground and are looking to expand to a 27,000 ground. No offence to Swansea but we're traditionally a much bigger club with a much bigger catchment area and population. That's the kind of growth we want to achieve (we already have in part with the move to a new ground).

All of this, the bigger plan of course depends on performance on the pitch, for us and Swansea. They wouldn't fill a 27,000 ground if they went down. Just as we wouldn't fill a 42,000 ground. But going down isn't in the plan, staying up, growing is the plan. With the long term aim of the extra attendances helping solidify your position through extra revenue.

on the Swansea catchment area with ain't they the only team in the premier from wales?

[davieG]

Now being discussed in this thread which includes a poll.

 

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/101145-expand-the-stadium-the-poll/#entry3444433