Ollie93 Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 you're completely ignoring the additional programmes, beer, pies, shop merchandise though aren't you? It's peanuts in the grand scheme of things though isn't it. The 5000 "new" fans aren't going to all buy a programme, pie and 6 beers each are they and they are not going to spend loads in the shop just because they can get a ticket now.
Fox Ulike Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 Fact time: Leicester is the biggest urban area in the UK that only supports one League football team. So there's no reason to think we can't support bigger attendances than the clubs we are traditionally associated with: Southampton, Coventry, Stoke. I think we should be more like Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland and West Ham in terms of our fan base and (potential) attendances.
FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 It's peanuts in the grand scheme of things though isn't it. The 5000 "new" fans aren't going to all buy a programme, pie and 6 beers each are they and they are not going to spend loads in the shop just because they can get a ticket now. well I don't think they would drop prices, so it would be additional ticket money and spin offs.
davieG Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 It's peanuts in the grand scheme of things though isn't it. The 5000 "new" fans aren't going to all buy a programme, pie and 6 beers each are they and they are not going to spend loads in the shop just because they can get a ticket now. What are you actually concerned about with a stadium expansion other than the potential for it to have empty seats if we get relegated? Money is clearly not an issue for King Power we can never in the foreseeable future ever be seen as established so waiting for the right time is illogical.
thybluefox Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 What are you actually concerned about with a stadium expansion other than the potential for it to have empty seats if we get relegated? Money is clearly not an issue for King Power we can never in the foreseeable future ever be seen as established so waiting for the right time is illogical. Some people just don't like change.
ScouseFox Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 You do realise that by twisting what people say to try and win an argument makes you look stupid don't you? Using your point of view we'd never have moved from Filbert Street. The reasons for increasing capacity are the same reasons we left filbert street. To expand. It's not going to happen over night, it will take years of performances on the pitch and investment off it to entice people in. But the facts are we can't currently meet demand. Well no because filbert street was a shit hole. It was our shit hole but it was about non league standards in parts. We've got a good ground now, so we don't need to move. We also planned and hoped to move from filbo as an established premier league club. Not one who'd been there a season. If we consistently sell out for 3 or 4 years and end up a top half club then I'll roll with an extra 5k. We'd have proved we need it. One season vs the ten before it is not a good enough reason to whack 10 thousand new seats in. Imo.
Gerard Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 It isn't, but I'd rather see the £X m spent on the stadium on players that will keep us in the league. They are not mutually exclusive. A bigger stadium and gate provides more revenue and a bigger profile for the club which in turn attracts players that may be out of our reach now. What footballer really wants to go to Swansea or Stoke as they are more than likely at their peak and will never push on. We have the potential to fill a much bigger stadium than what we have already.
Gerard Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 So what are the god knows how many fans demanding tickets yet can't get any going to do until then? The demand is there and expansion would be a sensible idea if the club does nothing then they miss out on extending the size of the clubs fan base. I am a massive Leicester fan, would I be such a huge fan if I didn't get to go to a load of games growing up during the O'Neill era and beyond? Probably not. The same goes for local children now, how can you grow up supporting a club if you've never seen them play? I for one would be pretty depressed if I couldn't get tickets to take my two year old son to a game before he is five, start him off early and all, and at the minute its appearing like that will be the case unless we get relegated. What a ridiculous scenario come to think of it. Any potential new fans will have to wait until / if we get relegated and all the glory grabbers have sodded off to experience proper football for the first time. If the club is really the family club they claim to be then expansion must happen. Another great post. The stadium ideally would be big enough that anyone could turn up and get a seat for almost any game. My 7 year old daughter who had no interest whatsoever in football three months a go has been asking for me to take her but I can't. I have a mate who has a 6 year old son who lives in Sheffield and they both have a season ticket. A year a go he supported Liverpool, Leicester and Sheffield Utd but a year of going he now just supports Leicester with a soft spot for the Blades. If we make Filbo an exclusive club then we could lose a generation of supporters as how can you have an affinity with a club you just can't ever watch? If it was up to me I'd build a new 60,000 all seater and fill it with offers if I had to and close the top tiers if demand fell if we were in the Championship. By being a 32,000 stadium club history tells us it's inevitable we'll get relegated sooner or later like all clubs with stadia this size.
blue army 1988 Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 Surly it's not about how big our stadium is of we got relegated. It's results on the pitch
Ollie93 Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 They are not mutually exclusive. A bigger stadium and gate provides more revenue and a bigger profile for the club which in turn attracts players that may be out of our reach now. What footballer really wants to go to Swansea or Stoke as they are more than likely at their peak and will never push on. We have the potential to fill a much bigger stadium than what we have already. Another great post. The stadium ideally would be big enough that anyone could turn up and get a seat for almost any game. My 7 year old daughter who had no interest whatsoever in football three months a go has been asking for me to take her but I can't. I have a mate who has a 6 year old son who lives in Sheffield and they both have a season ticket. A year a go he supported Liverpool, Leicester and Sheffield Utd but a year of going he now just supports Leicester with a soft spot for the Blades. If we make Filbo an exclusive club then we could lose a generation of supporters as how can you have an affinity with a club you just can't ever watch? If it was up to me I'd build a new 60,000 all seater and fill it with offers if I had to and close the top tiers if demand fell if we were in the Championship. By being a 32,000 stadium club history tells us it's inevitable we'll get relegated sooner or later like all clubs with stadia this size. You seem to have this idea that if we don't increase our stadium we will get relegated? It's not about how big your stadium is that attracts the players, its the aura surrounding the club. Fuchs said he wanted to join because he likes the way its run, coaching staff etc. We are at a position for the first time in 10 years where we are selling out week in week out. The past 7 games were some of the best I've been to atmosphere wise. So you increase the capacity to say 37,000 and you can't get a ticket? What happens then?
Alex_LCFC Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 I can see the club using the kp for venues like concerts/events.
Babylon Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 You seem to have this idea that if we don't increase our stadium we will get relegated? The more revenue you have the greater your chances of staying up, it's not that we will definitely go down. But there is a reason most teams with attendances 35k+ tend to stick around in this league.
Woollett's Wellies Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 They are not mutually exclusive. A bigger stadium and gate provides more revenue and a bigger profile for the club which in turn attracts players that may be out of our reach now. What footballer really wants to go to Swansea or Stoke as they are more than likely at their peak and will never push on. We have the potential to fill a much bigger stadium than what we have already. You seem to have this idea that if we don't increase our stadium we will get relegated? It's not about how big your stadium is that attracts the players, its the aura surrounding the club. Fuchs said he wanted to join because he likes the way its run, coaching staff etc. We are at a position for the first time in 10 years where we are selling out week in week out. The past 7 games were some of the best I've been to atmosphere wise. So you increase the capacity to say 37,000 and you can't get a ticket? What happens then? If our owners do decide to expand I very much doubt it would be anything other than the ' built in' 10k increase that the current design was engineered to accomodate. It might well be that any other smaller design would be either, problematic from an engineering point of view, or really uneconomic. The other point about expansion is that where some posters are saying it shouldn't be done until we've consolidated in the Premier League, the timescale on a project like this means they have to start project work, planning, prefab work, some significant time before. There's a good point made in an earlier post about when you consider yourself an established Premier League club. Is it when you could have sold out over a number of seasons? If so, are you going to get back the people you've been turning away? If the club were starting the ball rolling now, and really , we have no idea whether the idea to expand is just something on their wish list or a concrete project, then you wouldn't see those seats useable for some years. Would we be an established Premier League club by then? I really hope so. In some ways it's a leap of faith.
Ollie93 Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 The more revenue you have the greater your chances of staying up, it's not that we will definitely go down. But there is a reason most teams with attendances 35k+ tend to stick around in this league. Probably more the fact that they are bigger clubs with wealthy owners. We luckily have wealthy owners.
4everfox Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 I honestly don't get this argument that's against expanding the stadium. It's like arguing against your Mrs having her breasts enlarged, madness.
Gerard Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 The more revenue you have the greater your chances of staying up, it's not that we will definitely go down. But there is a reason most teams with attendances 35k+ tend to stick around in this league. Exactly the clubs who averaged 32,000 or less in the PL last year were: Leicester Southampton Stoke West Brom Crystal Palace Hull Swansea Burnley QPR None of these are what you would call traditional top flight clubs. At some point all these clubs will more than likely be relegated in the next 10 years or so. We aren't a similar ilk of Burnley who are a large town and a small fan base who have been punching above their weight. We are one if the bigger cities in England, a one club city in a county of just under a million people and no competition for miles in any direction. West Ham are moving to a 50,000+ stadium so soon they'll be al least ten teams with 40,000+ stadium and it will become harder to just become a mid table PL team. We already have demand far outstripping supply in our 32,000 stadium. If we don't improve our infrastructure whilst the sun shines we'll never do it. You get the feeling that plenty of posters on this thread believe we should "know our place" and any long term ambition to become a big club is laughable.
Ollie93 Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 Exactly the clubs who averaged 32,000 or less in the PL last year were: Leicester Southampton Stoke West Brom Crystal Palace Hull Swansea Burnley QPR None of these are what you would call traditional top flight clubs. At some point all these clubs will more than likely be relegated in the next 10 years or so. We aren't a similar ilk of Burnley who are a large town and a small fan base who have been punching above their weight. We are one if the bigger cities in England, a one club city in a county of just under a million people and no competition for miles in any direction. West Ham are moving to a 50,000+ stadium so soon they'll be al least ten teams with 40,000+ stadium and it will become harder to just become a mid table PL team. We already have demand far outstripping supply in our 32,000 stadium. If we don't improve our infrastructure whilst the sun shines we'll never do it. You get the feeling that plenty of posters on this thread believe we should "know our place" and any long term ambition to become a big club is laughable. I just find this correlation you have found between higher attendances and league position.
yorkie1999 Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 Thing is if they don't increase the capacity they won't get more fans and they wont become a bigger club, its as simple as that.
4everfox Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 Exactly the clubs who averaged 32,000 or less in the PL last year were: Leicester Southampton Stoke West Brom Crystal Palace Hull Swansea Burnley QPR None of these are what you would call traditional top flight clubs. At some point all these clubs will more than likely be relegated in the next 10 years or so. We aren't a similar ilk of Burnley who are a large town and a small fan base who have been punching above their weight. We are one if the bigger cities in England, a one club city in a county of just under a million people and no competition for miles in any direction. West Ham are moving to a 50,000+ stadium so soon they'll be al least ten teams with 40,000+ stadium and it will become harder to just become a mid table PL team. We already have demand far outstripping supply in our 32,000 stadium. If we don't improve our infrastructure whilst the sun shines we'll never do it. You get the feeling that plenty of posters on this thread believe we should "know our place" and any long term ambition to become a big club is laughable. I completely agree. Ambition encourages the growth of football clubs. How many clubs with 40,000+ seater stadiums get relegated? Not many would be my guess. Every great football club started off somewhere and ambition got them where they are today. I don't know about anyone else but I want Leicester to be the best, I doubt it will happen but it won't stop me from wanting it. This proposed stadium expansion is a step in the right direction.
Gerard Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 I just find this correlation you have found between higher attendances and league position. There is a direct correlation between attendance and league position. There were 13 PL clubs who had a higher attendance than the best supported team in the Championship. There's a reason why Man Utd are one of the best clubs in England and Accrington Stanley are one of the worst.
ScouseFox Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 Can I just point out attendance and capacity are very, very different things. We're going to extend out capacity. Not necessarily out attendance. As for "a direct correlation" between how big your ground is and how high you finish in the league pyramid?! Stupidest post of the thread by miles and miles and oh my god someone actually said that and wow just gonna go gouge my eyes out and pray to Buddha that there can't actually be people this stupid in the world please lord Jesus help us.
themistocles Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 Exactly the clubs who averaged 32,000 or less in the PL last year were: Leicester Southampton Stoke West Brom Crystal Palace Hull Swansea Burnley QPR None of these are what you would call traditional top flight clubs. At some point all these clubs will more than likely be relegated in the next 10 years or so. We aren't a similar ilk of Burnley who are a large town and a small fan base who have been punching above their weight. We are one if the bigger cities in England, a one club city in a county of just under a million people and no competition for miles in any direction. West Ham are moving to a 50,000+ stadium so soon they'll be al least ten teams with 40,000+ stadium and it will become harder to just become a mid table PL team. We already have demand far outstripping supply in our 32,000 stadium. If we don't improve our infrastructure whilst the sun shines we'll never do it. You get the feeling that plenty of posters on this thread believe we should "know our place" and any long term ambition to become a big club is laughable. The clubs you have mentioned only average less than 32 k because their stadium dosnt hold higher ... Stoke's holds 28k and they average 27.5 k. You're point in this tread is that if you increase you're stadium capacity you'll increase attendance thus making you a bigger club than most in the prem. So you think that if stoke increase their capacity, they won't expect higher attendance? "These clubs will most likely be relegated in 10 years" based on what exactly ? You are Leicester City, you are more likely than most teams in the Prem to be relegated next year. Stop thinking you are bigger than you are, other teams can show ambition and improve other than yourselves.
Gerard Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 The clubs you have mentioned only average less than 32 k because their stadium dosnt hold higher ... Stoke's holds 28k and they average 27.5 k. You're point in this tread is that if you increase you're stadium capacity you'll increase attendance thus making you a bigger club than most in the prem. So you think that if stoke increase their capacity, they won't expect higher attendance? "These clubs will most likely be relegated in 10 years" based on what exactly ? You are Leicester City, you are more likely than most teams in the Prem to be relegated next year. Stop thinking you are bigger than you are, other teams can show ambition and improve other than yourselves. If you notice I put Leicester on that list. Where have I mentioned that other clubs can't improve and show ambition? My concern is about Leicester that's why I'm talking about us specifically. I base the fact that the list I gave is on clubs who average 32,000 or less will be more likely to struggle than teams who average 40,000+. Everything reverts to the mean eventually. Three clubs get relegated every year and it's likely it will be one or two from that list plus one or two promoted clubs every season. Teams like Stoke, Southampton and Swansea are outperforming their status but they've probably hit their ceiling or very near to it. It's not a coincidence that every club in England with a 40,000+ stadium is in the Premier League. Anyone who doesn't think there is a direct correlation between ground size, attendance and league position would be called an ostrich in some quarters.
ScouseFox Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 So Swansea have hit their ceiling, shouldn't expand and should just face inevitable relegation yet the mighty Leicester City are on the March to European glory?! What the hell are you on about.
Webbo Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 So Swansea have hit their ceiling, shouldn't expand and should just face inevitable relegation yet the mighty Leicester City are on the March to European glory?! What the hell are you on about.
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