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[Gerard]

So Swansea have hit their ceiling, shouldn't expand and should just face inevitable relegation yet the mighty Leicester City are on the March to European glory?!

What the hell are you on about.

 

Where have I said Swansea "shouldn't expand and should just face inevitable relegation"?

 

Why are you making things up and what the hell are you on about? 

 

Swansea have probably hit their ceiling as it's very unlikely they'll break into the top six as Tottenham have twice their revenue. At some point they will get some mean reversion and become a struggling PL club and inevitably get relegated. Clubs who get 20,000 gates will probably not be a permanent fixture in the PL.

[deep blue]

Can I just point out attendance and capacity are very, very different things....

Whilst it's true that increasing capacity doesn't necessarily increase attendance, it's undeniable that you will never increase attendance if you are running at full capacity.

[Gerard]

Whilst it's true that increasing capacity doesn't necessarily increase attendance, it's undeniable that you will never increase attendance if you are running at full capacity.

 

And especially when you're undeniably turning fans away because there's "no room at the inn".

 

Having a cap on season tickets of 23,000 is ridiculous when you sell out in May and many more can't get and see the team.

 

How is expansion even a question when thousands more want to see Leicester every week but can't because of the stadium capacity.

 

The people of Leicester demand to be able to see their team.

 

It's pathetic when the only argument against expansion when there is obvious high demand  is that if we get relegated and have 28,000 crowds it will look shit.

[sylofox]

I see them starting building this time next season if planning goes through.

 

I also think 5 yrs down the line they will add another 10k on the other 2 sides.

Our owners are here for the big time and doing it in the right way.

 

I do not think they came here to be also rans.

We will have cups and europe.

[shailen]

There is a direct correlation between attendance and league position.

There were 13 PL clubs who had a higher attendance than the best supported team in the Championship.

There's a reason why Man Utd are one of the best clubs in England and Accrington Stanley are one of the worst.

There is correlation but not two way causality. The clubs with the highest attendances are the ones with the most history of being successful. United didn't become successful because of their attendances and I'm pretty sure they expanded their ground in the 90s when they had success. For anyone to think that if we increase the capacity we will be more successful is ludicrous. Instead if we continue to grow as a club, then we will be able to attract more fans and sell out 42k+.

[st albans fox]

If they extend the sides too high, will they still be able to land the helicopter ?

I think we need to know this first ...........

[Bob Weasel Fox]

What are you actually concerned about with a stadium expansion other than the potential for it to have empty seats if we get relegated?

Money is clearly not an issue for King Power we can never in the foreseeable future ever be seen as established so waiting for the right time is illogical.

Great post DavieG

[sylofox]

There is correlation but not two way causality. The clubs with the highest attendances are the ones with the most history of being successful. United didn't become successful because of their attendances and I'm pretty sure they expanded their ground in the 90s when they had success. For anyone to think that if we increase the capacity we will be more successful is ludicrous. Instead if we continue to grow as a club, then we will be able to attract more fans and sell out 42k+.

Man U had the biggest ground before they touched it well in the top flight anyway.

 

The Valley was the biggest ground at one time.

[thybluefox]

I see them starting building this time next season if planning goes through.

 

I also think 5 yrs down the line they will add another 10k on the other 2 sides.

Our owners are here for the big time and doing it in the right way.

 

I do not think they came here to be also rans.

We will have cups and europe.

 

Adding a tier on the West Stand would cost an absolute fortune. 

[Gerard]

There is correlation but not two way causality. The clubs with the highest attendances are the ones with the most history of being successful. United didn't become successful because of their attendances and I'm pretty sure they expanded their ground in the 90s when they had success. For anyone to think that if we increase the capacity we will be more successful is ludicrous. Instead if we continue to grow as a club, then we will be able to attract more fans and sell out 42k+.

 

Obviously there are no guarantees that if we increase capacity we will be more successful. 

 

Newcastle aren't, Sunderland never have been and Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday have been in the doldrums for a generation.

 

However all clubs who are successful do have 40,000+ stadium and crowds in the higher echelons of the Premier League.

 

Leicester City fans have proved they will turn out to see their team if they have a team worth watching. A maximum of 23,000 season tickets that didn't get the chance to go on general sale and the people of Leicester are not given an opportunity to buy one and support their team. They said we'd never fill the KP when we weren't filling Filbert Street but we did.

 

It's a no brainer to build another 10,000 seats, the club are turning thousands of people away every match who would otherwise come if they could get a ticket. Thousands of children won't get to see us as it's basically the same 30,000 home fans at every match. 

 

Build it and they will come.

[davieG]

 Gary Silk

 

It was almost a throwaway line in a piece about Leicester City's owners in the Bangkok Post, but part of journalist Kittipong Thongsombat's interview with the Srivaddanaprabhas has caused a frisson of excitement back in old Leicester.

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"The club is also seeking permission to increase its stadium capacity from 32,000 to 42,000 seats."

This really does dig deep into the DNA of a football fan – all of whom know the capacity of their club's stadium and exactly how other fans view them and their club, as it defines a club's size.

At Filbert Street, Leicester's capacity gradually diminished, and in the days before huge TV money this limited what they could achieve.

 

 

In the late 1920s, 47,298 crammed into Filbert Street for an FA Cup match against Tottenham.

Health and safety concerns were not uppermost in the club's thinking back then, and photos of the game show fans hanging from overhead wires and sitting in the ironwork fascia of the Double Decker.

A more accurate reflection of the capacity of our old ground would be 42,000, which was the case right up until 1971.

The gradual introduction of seating to the East and North stands saw capacity drop to 32,000, although as City went into decline in the late '70s this was not often tested.

Following Hillsborough in 1989, the introduction of all-seater stadia saw City's capacity drop further to a fraction above 22,000.

Even the addition of the towering new Carling Stand could not raise the capacity for a club that was about to spend seven seasons out of eight in the Premier League.

It was not enough during a golden era, and Martin O'Neill was only half-joking when he said he used to reverse potential new signings out of the tunnel so they would not see the small and decrepit East Stand first.

The move to the Walkers Stadium was long overdue.

The excitement of a new stadium, imaginative ticket pricing and a promotion season meant that the ground was often full, with 32,000 seeing City play Rotherham – 10,000 more than Filbert Street could fit in for Manchester United the season before.

We now stand on the verge of another big leap forward – taking City back up to their post-war capacity of 42,000 – and it must be seized on while we have owners who are willing to invest in the club's future. Season tickets were sold out for next season weeks ago. As the only East Midlands club in the Premier League, now is the time to build.

The potential catchment area stretching into Lincolnshire, Warwickshire, Northants, Cambridgeshire and beyond is huge.

It would also be good if this gave the club a chance to offer some more affordable match-day tickets for those who have been priced out of the game in recent years.

If you build it, they will come.

Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Gary-Silke-s-Leicester-City-column-Fans-42-000/story-26680610-detail/story.html#ixzz3cpmOqKWt 
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[Babylon]

Why are you making things up and what the hell are you on about?

Have you not noticed that's generally how he is posting in this thread? Attempting to ridicule others posts to win the argument by exaggerating or completely making things up.

[Ollie93]

 Gary Silk

 

It was almost a throwaway line in a piece about Leicester City's owners in the Bangkok Post, but part of journalist Kittipong Thongsombat's interview with the Srivaddanaprabhas has caused a frisson of excitement back in old Leicester.

ADVERTISING

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"The club is also seeking permission to increase its stadium capacity from 32,000 to 42,000 seats."

This really does dig deep into the DNA of a football fan – all of whom know the capacity of their club's stadium and exactly how other fans view them and their club, as it defines a club's size.

At Filbert Street, Leicester's capacity gradually diminished, and in the days before huge TV money this limited what they could achieve.

 

 

In the late 1920s, 47,298 crammed into Filbert Street for an FA Cup match against Tottenham.

Health and safety concerns were not uppermost in the club's thinking back then, and photos of the game show fans hanging from overhead wires and sitting in the ironwork fascia of the Double Decker.

A more accurate reflection of the capacity of our old ground would be 42,000, which was the case right up until 1971.

The gradual introduction of seating to the East and North stands saw capacity drop to 32,000, although as City went into decline in the late '70s this was not often tested.

Following Hillsborough in 1989, the introduction of all-seater stadia saw City's capacity drop further to a fraction above 22,000.

Even the addition of the towering new Carling Stand could not raise the capacity for a club that was about to spend seven seasons out of eight in the Premier League.

It was not enough during a golden era, and Martin O'Neill was only half-joking when he said he used to reverse potential new signings out of the tunnel so they would not see the small and decrepit East Stand first.

The move to the Walkers Stadium was long overdue.

The excitement of a new stadium, imaginative ticket pricing and a promotion season meant that the ground was often full, with 32,000 seeing City play Rotherham – 10,000 more than Filbert Street could fit in for Manchester United the season before.

We now stand on the verge of another big leap forward – taking City back up to their post-war capacity of 42,000 – and it must be seized on while we have owners who are willing to invest in the club's future. Season tickets were sold out for next season weeks ago. As the only East Midlands club in the Premier League, now is the time to build.

The potential catchment area stretching into Lincolnshire, Warwickshire, Northants, Cambridgeshire and beyond is huge.

It would also be good if this gave the club a chance to offer some more affordable match-day tickets for those who have been priced out of the game in recent years.

If you build it, they will come.

Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Gary-Silke-s-Leicester-City-column-Fans-42-000/story-26680610-detail/story.html#ixzz3cpmOqKWt 

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Sure Gerard didn't write that?

[davieG]

What are you actually concerned about with a stadium expansion other than the potential for it to have empty seats if we get relegated?

 

Money is clearly not an issue for King Power we can never in the foreseeable future ever be seen as established so waiting for the right time is illogical.

 

 

Sure Gerard didn't write that?

Instead of making  childish  comments are you going to answer my question which you seem to be ignoring.

[Babylon]

For anyone to think that if we increase the capacity we will be more successful is ludicrous.

Nobody has said that though have they. The point people are making is fairly obvious but being twisted by those against it.

 

Expanding the capacity gives us room to grow, it means we can meet current demand. The extra revenue enables you to potentially get better players, in turn improving performance, in turn attracting more people.... and so on.

 

People keep pointing to Swansea in this thread. They went from an 11,000 ground, to a 20,000 ground and are looking to expand to a 27,000 ground. No offence to Swansea but we're traditionally a much bigger club with a much bigger catchment area and population. That's the kind of growth we want to achieve (we already have in part with the move to a new ground).

 

All of this, the bigger plan of course depends on performance on the pitch, for us and Swansea. They wouldn't fill a 27,000 ground if they went down. Just as we wouldn't fill a 42,000 ground. But going down isn't in the plan, staying up, growing is the plan. With the long term aim of the extra attendances helping solidify your position through extra revenue.

[ScouseFox]

Have you not noticed that's generally how he is posting in this thread? Attempting to ridicule others posts to win the argument by exaggerating or completely making things up.

Simply ridiculing the ridiculous posts

[Gerard]

Sure Gerard didn't write that?

 

 

 

Even the "build it and they will come" bit at the end.

 

Have I been rumbled? 

[Ollie93]

What are you actually concerned about with a stadium expansion other than the potential for it to have empty seats if we get relegated?

 

Money is clearly not an issue for King Power we can never in the foreseeable future ever be seen as established so waiting for the right time is illogical.

 

Exactly that, why do we want a stadium where for some games it's full and others its not? Why not keep it as it is and have it full for every game? We had empty seats for the past 10 years, we've had the best atmosphere towards the latter end of this season, why do we want to change this? 

 

The point about needing to expand your stadium to become a bigger club is a stupid statement.

[Ollie93]

 

 

Even the "build it and they will come" bit at the end.

 

Have I been rumbled? 

 

 glad you found it as amusing as me. 

 

Clearly davieG doesn't get the humour.

[Gerard]

Simply ridiculing the ridiculous posts

 

Maybe you should be more specific if you want credibility on this thread?

 

Instead of being generic why don't you criticise some actual quotes?

 

I'd love you to find a quote about something I said which was "ridiculous".

 

I must warn you though, I've only ever been wrong once in my life. That was when I said something and later I thought I was wrong but then realised I was right after all. 

[Babylon]

Simply ridiculing the ridiculous posts

Twisting what people have said, exaggerating / making things up doesn't do that though does it.

[Ollie93]

Twisting what people have said, exaggerating / making things up doesn't do that though does it.

 

To be fair that is done on both sides of the argument/all over this forum.

[Gerard]

Exactly that, why do we want a stadium where for some games it's full and others its not? Why not keep it as it is and have it full for every game? We had empty seats for the past 10 years, we've had the best atmosphere towards the latter end of this season, why do we want to change this? 

 

The point about needing to expand your stadium to become a bigger club is a stupid statement.

 

Now the laughing is over so lets get back to some good old fashioned hostility. 

 

What you've just said is so short sighted, with that attitude we'd still be playing in front of 20,000 at Filbert Street.

 

Having a stadium for the elite 23,000 maximum ST holders is ridiculous.

 

If we want to progress as club we have to maximise our potential.

 

Stand still and we fall behind, it's as simple as that.

[Babylon]

Exactly that, why do we want a stadium where for some games it's full and others its not?

Because you lose out on money the games it would have sold out. Because those who come for some games might get the bug and start coming to all of them. They might then bring their kids, or convince a friend. That's how growth works. Why do you think we built a 32,000 stadium instead of a new shiny 21,000 stadium that matched the size of Filbert Street? Because we wanted to grow... and guess what we're now filling those extra seats. Using your logic we'd have been limited to a 21,000 seater forever.

 

Why not keep it as it is and have it full for every game?

 

Because we aren't meeting demand, more people want to go than we can fit in the stadium. Season tickets have sold out!! Why should those people not be able to come, just becuase you don't want to see some empty seats.

 

 

We had empty seats for the past 10 years, we've had the best atmosphere towards the latter end of this season, why do we want to change this?

I'm sorry... but what? What does that have to do with anything really? We've also had shit atmosphere's in the ground when it's full. We've had better atmospheres in the championship with 24,000 people, than we have in this league with 32,000. Do you realise that 32,000 people singing will sound almost identical whether you're in a 32,000 stadium or a 42,000 stadium. It's people not singing that causes bad atmospheres. Not empty seats.

 

 

The point about needing to expand your stadium to become a bigger club is a stupid statement.

The only stupid statement is the one you've just written. How exactly do you ever expect to grow as a club without expansion, you will always be limited.

[davieG]

Exactly that, why do we want a stadium where for some games it's full and others its not? Why not keep it as it is and have it full for every game? We had empty seats for the past 10 years, we've had the best atmosphere towards the latter end of this season, why do we want to change this? 

 

The point about needing to expand your stadium to become a bigger club is a stupid statement.

That is just one reason some one gave what about all the others that you ignore or ridicule with some jokey off hand comment.

 

There have been plenty of valid, logical, financial etc reasons given none of which you have satisfactorily proved to be invalid.

 

As i said the only reason you and others can come up with is the risk of having some empty seats if we get relegated and as i've said in a previous post that would be the last thing the owners would be concerned about if we got relegated.

 

I've been going down since the early 60s when we had 40K plus fans in Filbert St I was even locked out on one occasion against Man U when there were 37K inside I've also been down Filbo when there's been 8K and you could park on Burnmoor St at 2.45 and I'll say that in all that time the atmosphere depended on what was happening on the pitch or the circumstances of the club be that close to success or avoiding relegation it had little to do with how many were in the ground. 

 

Yours and others argument fail when many of those against any expansion are the same ones who have said in the recent past that they'd sooner have 12K diehards than 25K+ just sitting there. well if they hadn't noticed it was those same 20k that were part of the 'best atmosphere' at the end of last seasons because they were given a reason to get off their arses and make a noise.

 

People have also complained about the design of the stadium being crap for atmosphere I didn't hear anyone complaining about that either.

 

There's far to many irrational and emotional views when it comes to football, logic seems to fly out the window.

 

The bottom line is if you give the fans something to get excited about on the pitch give them something that makes them want to stand up then you'll get a decent atmosphere.

 

This argument has been done to death and as I also said previously it will happen if the owners want it to it's their money, their stadium and despite what people might fantasise over it's their club for the time being.