Your Views On International Football

[Guest]

The frustration for me is that I don't think we even try to be a brilliant side and why don't we? We appoint and stick by mediocrity, safe bets, conservative football, and then wonder why we never look to challenge the big boys.

 

Someone like Chile for example, a historically smaller side than us, have an attitude that gives them a chance in any game. We don't. We just would not beat Spain in an international tournament. We haven't got the character.

 

Stronger sides like Italy, Spain, and Germany can do that - play it safe, control the flow of the game and then score when the chance comes. We seem inherently more scrappy than that. An all guns blazing style would probably serve us better. It's very likely to work against lesser opponents and you might just get lucky and beat the better sides that way too. 

 

If nothing else it would make the games more enjoyable to watch.  Can't remember the last England game (win, lose, or draw) that I actually enjoyed...

[Dan]

As boring and mediocre as Hodgson is, at least he's not on £10m a year like Capello was. That was scandalous. 

 

I don't think Hodgson's been much worse than Capello, if at all. We were just about as dire in 2010 World Cup as we were in 2014, the difference was our group was easier and even then we only scraped through it, before being absolutely belted by the Germans.

 

Stronger sides like Italy, Spain, and Germany can do that - play it safe, control the flow of the game and then score when the chance comes. We seem inherently more scrappy than that. An all guns blazing style would probably serve us better. It's very likely to work against lesser opponents and you might just get lucky and beat the better sides that way too. 

 

If nothing else it would make the games more enjoyable to watch.  Can't remember the last England game (win, lose, or draw) that I actually enjoyed...

 

England aren't technically on the level of countries like those and it just is not our game. We've got a mix now of limited technical players trying to play a slow-paced, probing game. That just isn't the English way even if it may well be an aim of ours in the long-term.

[sphericalfox]

 

[Freesolo]

Nevile has to be the next england boss

Don't know if he should be the next England Boss. The guy is a Complete Boss anyway and can't imagine him not being a great manager

[MooseBreath]

Qualifiers and friendlies are crap but tournaments are still next level.

Home nations friendly tournos would be great now the teams are a bit more even and might get people feeling the passion of being an England fan more regularly than once every two years.

[Dan]

Would definitely take a home nations tournament in 2017, 2019, 2021 etc.. actually. Five teams play each other, two at home two away (rotating who's at home and away each tournament like the six nations). If it was taken seriously it would seriously get me more interested in England I think.

 

Problem is it would be shit if there was no money in it as per everything in football nowadays. I don't think the players would be that arsed. Ours in-particular.

[Finnegan]

I'd like home nations tournament if done seriously.

The last attempt was dire. Even Wales, Scotland and Ireland just sent their reserves.

[Voll Blau]

Would definitely take a home nations tournament in 2017, 2019, 2021 etc.. actually. Five teams play each other, two at home two away (rotating who's at home and away each tournament like the six nations). If it was taken seriously it would seriously get me more interested in England I think.

 

Problem is it would be shit if there was no money in it as per everything in football nowadays. I don't think the players would be that arsed. Ours in-particular.

 

Would go for a summer tournament once every four years (odd year which is a non-Ashes summer, so the public has its full sporting concentration on the tournament). Apart from that agree entirely with that plan.

[The Year Of The Fox]

I'm getting frustrated with Roy persisting on playing certain players when they've consistently let him down when it really matters.

I'd LOVE to see him play the youngsters& Vardy v France whilst giving Rooney the day off. Hand on heart I think if we dropped him and utilised Walcott and Vardys pace (amongst other) then we'd be completely unrecognisable to the England we all know and hate.

It's not just Roy though in fairness its every manager we've had since Hoddle. (You could argue McLaren dropped Beckham but that was more about him making a statement of intent/stampi g his authority rather than doing it for a particular reason)

Neville moans in his biography that certain players were played out of position to effectively accommodate lampard and gerrard.

I know I beat the Rooney drum 24/7 but I genuinely want to see him drooped for a few games to see how we fair. We'd be a lot more varied in our build up play that's for sure.

My choice of next manager is pretty irrelevant as neither would get it but I'd bite the FA's hand off for Pearson or Jose. I don't think you'll get many better managers who get their players to play for him, one another and their shirt than Pearson does. And we all know he likes youth rather than leaning on has beens.

[purpleronnie]

I'm getting frustrated with Roy persisting on playing certain players when they've consistently let him down when it really matters.

I'd LOVE to see him play the youngsters& Vardy v France whilst giving Rooney the day off. Hand on heart I think if we dropped him and utilised Walcott and Vardys pace (amongst other) then we'd be completely unrecognisable to the England we all know and hate.

It's not just Roy though in fairness its every manager we've had since Hoddle. (You could argue McLaren dropped Beckham but that was more about him making a statement of intent/stampi g his authority rather than doing it for a particular reason)

Neville moans in his biography that certain players were played out of position to effectively accommodate lampard and gerrard.

I know I beat the Rooney drum 24/7 but I genuinely want to see him drooped for a few games to see how we fair. We'd be a lot more varied in our build up play that's for sure.

My choice of next manager is pretty irrelevant as neither would get it but I'd bite the FA's hand off for Pearson or Jose. I don't think you'll get many better managers who get their players to play for him, one another and their shirt than Pearson does. And we all know he likes youth rather than leaning on has beens.

A team that's allowed to think for themselves (if they can), a team that isn't given a million rules to abide by every time they play for england, a team where individual talent is applauded rather than derided would be key to a successful England team, but I can't see anything changing.  I mean the fact Gerrard kept the story about the players moaning about having to walk a few yards for a massage instead of slaughtering those players there and then tells you everything that is wrong with the England players...or at least some of them.

 

yes we are winning every easy qualifier but don't we want more than that?

[Frank to be]

Pearson as England manager I've heard it all now

[Dan]

Pearson in footballing terms wouldn't be bad for England I think but if he thought the media was bad at Leicester then England are on a completely different scale. It just won't ever happen.

[Frank to be]

Pearson in footballing terms wouldn't be bad for England I think but if he thought the media was bad at Leicester then England are on a completely different scale. It just won't ever happen.

You've got to be kidding. Pearson's main, perhaps only real strength was in signing good players. You can't sign players at international level. He was a rudimentary tactician and was known for falling out with players. He couldn't handle the pressure of the premier league and somehow managed to fall out with our very laid back owners. He has none of the qualities you need from an international manager.

Plus the country would be outraged because as we've seen with Sunderland fans, most of the football community has nothing but bad things to say about him,

[Dan]

You've got to be kidding. Pearson's main, perhaps only real strength was in signing good players. You can't sign players at international level. He was a rudimentary tactician and was known for falling out with players. He couldn't handle the pressure of the premier league and somehow managed to fall out with our very laid back owners. He has none of the qualities you need from an international manager.

Plus the country would be outraged because as we've seen with Sunderland fans, most of the football community has nothing but bad things to say about him,

 

Falling out with who exactly? Jermaine Beckford? Neil Danns? Sean St Ledger? Matt Mills? Oh how we so desperately missed all of those. Given the way those four went after leaving Leicester I think it's safe to say that Pearson wasn't the problem there. On the flip side, how about how well some players did under him, and actually attribute to him?

 

Couldn't handle the pressure of the Premier League but... but... kept us up when the pressure was on most.

 

Saying his only strength was signing good players is incredibly harsh. Could you ever say we were unmotivated?

 

I've even said it would never happen. It's pointless. The media won.

[ScouseFox]

pearson would be the best england manager of a generation, maybe ever 

[The Year Of The Fox]

You've got to be kidding. Pearson's main, perhaps only real strength was in signing good players. You can't sign players at international level. He was a rudimentary tactician and was known for falling out with players. He couldn't handle the pressure of the premier league and somehow managed to fall out with our very laid back owners. He has none of the qualities you need from an international manager.

Plus the country would be outraged because as we've seen with Sunderland fans, most of the football community has nothing but bad things to say about him,

Read Dan's post below yours to see what I'd have put in reply to this. The only thing I'd add is that Sunderland/Any fan other than a City one won't have a clue about Pearson, what the players thought of him and how we performed on the pitch playing for each other because of the camaraderie Pearson had built. 

 

It just shows Sunderland fans complete lack of knowledge- regurgitating the negatives, the disregarding of McArthur saying the whole thing was blown out of all proportion etc.

 

Let's leave it at that, else this will become another Pearson thread which I cant be arsed with. But he's one of the best English managers there currently is out there, and the only reason he'll never be an England manager is because he's not a 'yes' man.