"Toxic culture of the left"

[Thracian]

Do you expect Hawkins to walk?

 

No, of course not, but thats because you can see his limitations and appreciate that expecting him to stand up and grasp the "opportunity" you are offering is impossible. so would you help Hawkins, would you get him a wheel chair, plug his speech assist in if he cant reach it, or would you call him weak for not being able to do the same stuff you can?

 

But,of course to you, other people who may have those limitations mentally, or internally, .....you decide these people are "weak", and that they are making excuses.

Hawking is a outstanding example of what someone can achieve with positive determination.

Sadly some people - even when offered comparable help with their own difficulties - don't react with that mindset.

Soldiers with war injuries offer a familiar example. Some, denied the chance to play regular football due to duble amputations, simply accept the challenge of their new situation, learn to use prosthetic limbs and achieve things in the paraplegic arenas. Others respond negatively and fade away, wasting all that potential and arguably even perhaps the very purpose of their existence. To me it's a pity.

[Claridge]

One of London mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan's aides has been suspended after offensive social media messages were published.
Shueb Salar is alleged to have posted abusive language about women and homosexuals on Twitter, in 2012

(Sunday Times)

 

Really are a vile bunch labour. Bet the 'man of principle' gives some insipid response, or none at all

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I spent years coaching people successfully (in two sports and countless environments) and know perfectly well that the biggest brake on people's potential is their own fears, self doubts and negative attitudes.I hate to see people holding their hand out for help simply because they're afraid they can't stand on their own feet. Look at the achievements of Hawking. Who would see him and say "I can't"?Softness in society is a curse and holds so many people back. Life is hard, demanding and competitive. Let's prepare people for its challenges rather than giving them the cushions that feed years of things like diabetes and obesity. This is the era of excuse-making and the sooner we stop making excuses for anyone the sooner we'll go forward again.Not everyone can be an SAS squadron leader but everyone can do their bit and no-one should get away with opting out and leaving others to carry their mates home. It's not good - for themselves.

If you were a sucessful sports coach, you would understand there are many different ways to coach and that one solution does not fit all - there is a need to tailor approaches to an individual.

Equally your comments about the offer of help is interesting, because if the help being offered isn't quite right for the individual (and again, there can be many reasons for that), if that help is accepted when it's not quite, what Is being provided is not help, it's almost an obligation.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Thought I'd highlight a key difference in the help offered - and a potential reason why the first offer of help was turned down

But first I'll offer food for thought.Some years back I offered to help someone set up a fabrics business on Leicester market. He doesn't drive so I offered to carry rolls of fabric down from the north, pay for his first consignment which I imagined would be £500/£1000 and to see his stock was stored and set-up on market days.Not the world's most attractive proposition but entirely free of charge or "return" obligations. There might have been good reasons, but he didn't accept so the chance passed him by.

When ever someone is offered a deal (which is what help is) their mind tries to strike a balance between what is being offered and what they need to do in return and most will look to find some balance - anything to in ones favour would make a person feel uneasy.

In this example, the assistance you have offered is well over and above anything the gentleman could possibly return, he would feel forever indebted and thus potentially depressed at any success through the business as a result.

He is also left in a very dependant position, because without you, he doesn't have the power to continue his business - so although it his is business, the power of that business in a strange way would lie with you.

In my mind this gentleman was in fact, quite sensible to turn down your offer of assistance as generous as it was.

Meanwhile an acquaintance was offered training by an employer, accepted, gained qualifications and experience, set up his own business, took on 20+ staff, grew the business still more and now earns enough to give lots in terms of charitable contributions and mentorship all over the South East Midlands.

In other words the last few years years have produced two different outcomes from what might arguably have been a comparable opportunityIn your amusing cartoon, the last example would be the man standing high on the 1% right-hand podium and the "fabric" man, sadly, on the left, quite unable to see ahead.

Your acquaintance was offered trainning by an employer... well here is a clear two way deal, because the employer provides the trainning with the view to bettering the effectiveness of the employee and improve their business the employee is happy to accept that because they can see that the trainning has the benefit to improve their own prospects.

That acquaintance then goes on to setup his own company and employs 20+ staff... again a two way deal, the person is not employing these people out of kindness, the offer of a wage is with the expectation that they will provide services that will result in the company making profits.

Even charity donations have a degree of two way bargaining to them... because are motives to give to charity tend to be related to issues that have touched us and/or care deeply about and naturally the act of giving provides us warmer return feelings that also play a part.

So yes providing help to people is great - but its got to be right for that person and above all, it needs to be balanced.

[Rincewind]

If you were a sucessful sports coach, you would understand there are many different ways to coach and that one solution does not fit all - there is a need to tailor approaches to an individual.

Equally your comments about the offer of help is interesting, because if the help being offered isn't quite right for the individual (and again, there can be many reasons for that), if that help is accepted when it's not quite, what Is being provided is not help, it's almost an obligation.

It was me when I was out of work. My brother gives financial advice part time having retired. He has a degree in maths and physics and plays poker at a successful level.He has also owned and ran a hotel and a couple of B&B's  When I was first out of work he worked out a money managing plan which helped me manage until my pension credits came into force.

As for the offer it was much appreciated but after giving him all the figures and costs for setting up he advised that it was not for me. I have also have had a misplaced hip from birth which prevents me from doing heavy lifting as I do not have the strength. It was decided that to make a profit I would have to be there nearly everyday up to 10 hours. Could I sell £500 worth of fabric a week which would cover winter months when few visited the market? 

My choice was to try and run a business which may not be good financially or healthwise or wait a while for my Pension credits to kick in. What would others have done in my position taking into account the risks and the fact that I was approaching 60 and had never done self employed work or very little business knowledge?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Rince - the fact I based my comments above without knowing your additional situation should tell you all you needed to know.

[Rincewind]

Rince - the fact I based my comments above without knowing your additional situation should tell you all you needed to know.

Yes I understand that.You summed up the situation well.  Just wanted others to know that the offer was appreciated and my decision to decline was not a rash one based on laziness. Who knows if I was 30 years younger things may have been different? 

[Rincewind]

Is it any wonder people have become disillusioned with politicians. Even the speaker is laughing. There is only one person with any dignity in this clip. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/PigGateuk/videos/516561248515067/

[Darkon84]

Is it any wonder people have become disillusioned with politicians. Even the speaker is laughing. There is only one person with any dignity in this clip. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/PigGateuk/videos/516561248515067/

 

Do these people realise that things like that happen both ways? Perhaps JC could attempt to be a stronger speaker instead of allowing others to drown him out? Does it make a difference that members of his own party are joining in, chuckling away? And as a final thing, I couldn't help but just laugh at the name of the page and the hashtags posted in it . And to think the people on there are calling others "Childish little cvnts"

 

EDIT: After looking through more of the page, what a sad corner of the internet. Sticker campaigns, asking someone to 'pass me the matches' with regards to the Houses of Parliament needing repairs to increase fire safety, labelling someone 'a hero' for attacking a statue of Thatcher, and even Jacob Rees-Mogg gets a meme made about him.

 

In fact, the more you read on there, the more you have to laugh at some of it, it's that cheap.

[Guest MattP]

Do these people realise that things like that happen both ways? Perhaps JC could attempt to be a stronger speaker instead of allowing others to drown him out? Does it make a difference that members of his own party are joining in, chuckling away? And as a final thing, I couldn't help but just laugh at the name of the page and the hashtags posted in it . And to think the people on there are calling others "Childish little cvnts"

 

The most amazing thing about the video is how the speaker manages to change his clothes on four different occasions whilst in the same seat in such a short space of time

 

And to think this lot accuse the "mainstream media" of misrepresentation.

[Darkon84]

The most amazing thing about the video is how the speaker manages to change his clothes on four different occasions whilst in the same seat in such a short space of time

 

And to think this lot accuse the "mainstream media" of misrepresentation.

 

Brilliant isn't it, even JC changes his tie. Rupert Murdoch must have hacked the page and manipulated the video or something

[Guest MattP]

Brilliant isn't it, even JC changes his tie. Rupert Murdoch must have hacked the page and manipulated the video or something

 

For some reason took his poppy off and put it back on at some point as well, plus some musical chairs on the bench behind him.

[Buce]

I can't be bothered wasting my time watching it, but does it actually say it's continuous footage?

[Darkon84]

I can't be bothered wasting my time watching it, but does it actually say it's continuous footage?

 

It doesn't actually say it, though it's fairly obvious that's the angle they've tried to go for, as, despite noticing the there are changes to the backbench and ties etc, the way in which the camera edits and overlapping heckles/laughing has been done, make their intentions clear. You're really not missing too much anyway.

[Webbo]

The most amazing thing about the video is how the speaker manages to change his clothes on four different occasions whilst in the same seat in such a short space of time

 

And to think this lot accuse the "mainstream media" of misrepresentation.

There are 3 different women sitting next to Corbyn in that vid, 1 minute he's wearing a poppy and the next he's not. Do they take us for morons?

[Buce]

There are 3 different women sitting next to Corbyn in that vid, 1 minute he's wearing a poppy and the next he's not. Do they take us for morons?

If the cap fits, Webbo..

[Finnegan]

To be fair, Rees Mogg should have more memes made about him. The man just inspires comedy.

[Guest MattP]

To be fair, Rees Mogg should have more memes made about him. The man just inspires comedy.

 

I watched his speech at the Oxford Union the other day, he is absolutely magnificent, so erudite and I could listen to his talk all day.

 

I spoke to my local councillor about him a few weeks ago who told me a story about him, he once turned up to do a long talk on the European Union at a church hall and only one person turned up, instead of cancelling he still performed it for over 45 minutes to the individual who had arrived to hear him.

[Finnegan]

I watched his speech at the Oxford Union the other day, he is absolutely magnificent, so erudite and I could listen to his talk all day.

I spoke to my local councillor about him a few weeks ago who told me a story about him, he once turned up to do a long talk on the European Union at a church hall and only one person turned up, instead of cancelling he still performed it for over 45 minutes to the individual who had arrived to hear him.

Yeah don't get me wrong, I don't have him pegged as any kind of buffon. But you do have to love that visually and audibly he's as much a walking Tory stereotype as Corbyn is a generic lefty.

He knows that, though and I dare say even plays up to it a little. Quite a self aware guy.

[Guest MattP]

Yeah don't get me wrong, I don't have him pegged as any kind of buffon. But you do have to love that visually and audibly he's as much a walking Tory stereotype as Corbyn is a generic lefty.

 

He knows that as well and laps it up.

[Darkon84]

I watched his speech at the Oxford Union the other day, he is absolutely magnificent, so erudite and I could listen to his talk all day.

 

I spoke to my local councillor about him a few weeks ago who told me a story about him, he once turned up to do a long talk on the European Union at a church hall and only one person turned up, instead of cancelling he still performed it for over 45 minutes to the individual who had arrived to hear him.

 

Fantastic. I've not caught as many speeches like that as I probably should have, but the fact that so many MP's from all sides go to speak to him for advice and his door is always open, should tell people everything they need to know about how highly regarded he is.

[Guest MattP]

Fantastic. I've not caught as many speeches like that as I probably should have, but the fact that so many MP's from all sides go to speak to him for advice and his door is always open, should tell people everything they need to know about how highly regarded he is.

 

He often crosses the floor to give advice on parliamentary procedure to anyone who asks, even to the point of where it would defeat a government motion, his knowledge of Erskine May must be obscene.

 

He'd make a terrific speaker one day, also he'd wear the traditional robes which would be hilarious in this day and age.

[Finnegan]

He knows that as well and laps it up.

For sure (see above edit.)