Christian Benteke

[cityfanlee23]

Are you serious?

Jeez. Give him a full pre season and allow carte blanche over recruitment (which Brendan never had) and see what happens next season.

I don't agree, he's already galvanised several key members of that squad and will develop and realise their potential - or those that he intends to retain.

Benteke is not one of them and would be a poor acquisition for us.

So in the same comment you say klopp needs time yet you say Benteke has clearly had too long and is not good enough? Good one.

[SpacedX]

So in the same comment you say klopp needs time yet you say Benteke has clearly had too long and is not good enough? Good one.

Not sure I did actually, but do feel free to quote me.

 

Allow me to clarify. Benteke isn't the style of player that Klopp would have signed and it is highly unlikely that he will feature in his future plans. Clearly had too long? Klopp arrived at a club that had already purchased him in the summer - nothing whatsoever with 'has had too long' - he's there for the season, with the absence of Ings and until recently Sturridge he has been deployed partially out of necessity and depending on the system employed. A full strike force and Benteke would have quickly become be a fringe player at best under the new management. I do concede however that I was very surprised when he was brought on at the expense of Sturridge away at the Estadio El Madrigal last week. 

 

I think that prior to his injury Benteke was killing it. You don't have a record of 50 in 115 by being 'not good enough'. My point is, irrespective of his illustrious past, the Christian Benteke of 2016 doesn't fit the vision at Liverpool and he would similarly be at odds with the current ethos and philosophy at City.

 

 

Klopp hasn't really inspired anyone massively at Liverpool, 

 

This is one of the most inaccurate and bizarre statements I think I've read on this board this year...which is a real achievement. Congratulations.

[lifted*fox]

[Mezeker]

Next year. That's not this year, if you read the reply my post was to you'd see it was in reply to someone implying klopp has failed to motivate him meaning he's not going to work out here.

So yeah, not really sure what you're talking about.

this year, its happening right now for them. The level they are at is insane.

[Grewks]

Dont understand all this 'he's lazy'......'might as well sign balotelli' nonsense.

 

Is he going to get on the end of long balls like vardy? No, of course not.

 

Is vardy going to win more aerial duels than benteke? Likewise.

 

 

 

But you can't just have 4 strikers at the same club, who all have the strengths and limitations. Ulloa is the closest thing we have to benteke, and benteke is an improvement on him.

 

 

Not signing him because he doesn't fit our style is a valid reason, but this 'lazy' tag has no backbone to it whatsoever. He carried a villa side that 12 months later is the worst since derby in the prem.

 

 

Edit: Hes also only 25....meaning he would be the youngest striker here by a distance.

[Vindaloo FOX]

i would have him in a heartbeat if the price was right , he may not work hard but he could be our new Yakubu . 

[st albans fox]

When villa came to the KP in one of lamberts last games and we won with konch's goal, benteke cut a lonely figure under their tactical plan. He had to come deep looking for the ball. However, I couldn't imagine vardy or shinji looking as disinterested as he did that day. they were under pressure near the bottom aswell. I don't believe he would flourish in our environment.

[SpacedX]

i would have him in a heartbeat if the price was right , he may not work hard but he could be our new Yakubu . 

Not in the Champions League he couldn't. Perhaps we could give him some game time as a surrogate striker for our domestic cup runs. I struggle to comprehend why, in the greatest era of our history, Champions of England and pot 1 of the CL some are excited by the prospect of 'augmenting' our team with an expensive squad player at best.

[artursteppe]

I find it quite bizarre that so many people are so absolutely sure a 25year old striker with 50 Premier League goals in 110 matches would be crap. The same people who are saying this probably don't want 'untested' strikers in our top league, playing for us either, even though they may have similar stats.

[cityfanlee23]

Not sure I did actually, but do feel free to quote me.

 

Allow me to clarify. Benteke isn't the style of player that Klopp would have signed and it is highly unlikely that he will feature in his future plans. Clearly had too long? Klopp arrived at a club that had already purchased him in the summer - nothing whatsoever with 'has had too long' - he's there for the season, with the absence of Ings and until recently Sturridge he has been deployed partially out of necessity and depending on the system employed. A full strike force and Benteke would have quickly become be a fringe player at best under the new management. I do concede however that I was very surprised when he was brought on at the expense of Sturridge away at the Estadio El Madrigal last week. 

 

I think that prior to his injury Benteke was killing it. You don't have a record of 50 in 115 by being 'not good enough'. My point is, irrespective of his illustrious past, the Christian Benteke of 2016 doesn't fit the vision at Liverpool and he would similarly be at odds with the current ethos and philosophy at City.

 

 

 

This is one of the most inaccurate and bizarre statements I think I've read on this board this year...which is a real achievement. Congratulations.

 

You certainly seemed like you implied it, the thing I don't get is you seem to know so much about Klopps mind to say benteke is 100% not the sort of player he wants? 

He's scored 8 in 26 this season which isnt a "Bad" return, as you say he replaced sturridge so theres something there. 

 

This argument that he's lazy is simply ridiculous and has absolutely no evidence to support it, some players don't suit clubs, sometimes they don't suit formations, Klopp has played 1 upfront many times this season which suits origi or sturridge more.

 

He carried villa for 2 seasons, so for you to write him off after 1 season at liverpool is pretty laughable really, if the rumours that we could put a bid in are true, clearly the scouts know more than all of us and disagree with your sentiments, which I do respect by the way as I know you have a point however small I feel it is, 

He's never been played as a "run the defence down" type player, that is not to say he could not be one, and if we played him like that, and he bought into our ethos, he would be devastating based on past form. 

 

Just because klopp has not favoured him does not mean he's not going to do it, klopp does not seem to really like him, and i've not seen many reasons why? he received criticisms a few weeks back for his treatment of benteke, for example deciding to "tell benteke off" on the pitch after a bad performance, whats all that about? 

 

There are plenty of players who have NOT improved under Klopp, They are playing no better than they did under rodgers in their infamous 2nd season, so we knew the ones still there had ability anyway. 

 

Benteke has to up his game and workrate to have a chance to fit us or Liverpool, but to say he can't do it after his performances at villa is incredible, some players just cannot do it for specific managers or teams, can I remind you the manager that won us the league got sacked by greece after defeat to the faroe islands? Now we are in for one of the old defenders Manolas. 

 

Benteke for the right price is a bargain IMO and worth a chance, under 20m and I'd take him, He's a massively upgraded Ulloa who has been pivotal this season, He only has to run a bit and he's an upgrade on shinji too, to say that because klopp can't motivate him means he will never do it is silly, It's only 48 games into his reign.

To put it into context, his win ratio so far is lower than Dalgliesh and rodgers, does not speak the full story though does it? 

[SpacedX]

I find it quite bizarre that so many people are so absolutely sure a 25year old striker with 50 Premier League goals in 110 matches would be crap. The same people who are saying this probably don't want 'untested' strikers in our top league, playing for us either, even though they may have similar stats.

Personally I don't think that...

 

 

 You don't have a record of 50 in 115 by being 'not good enough'. 

 

 

Your point about being 'absolutely sure' is exactly right but works both ways. To be in denial of his prodigious talent would be imbecilic - but there have only been glimpses of the player that he was prior to injury. If the game is bought to him, he can be exceptional - and as a previous post termed it 'lethal', but he doesn't chase it like our current squad does. Nor does he have the football intelligence of a great striker. In a nano second it can be rifling into the back of the net, but if he has time on the ball the Schlupp syndrome sets in and too often it's destined for row Z. In addition to this, his positional awareness is often lacking. Perhaps elements of this can be redressed on the training ground, but I strongly believe that Vardy's outstanding instinctive play, although developed through coaching, is largely innate. 

 

This is a football forum...I understand that it has huge membership therefore a vast spectrum of views which can sometimes as a consequence verge on the irrational. We produce a thread on 'overrated players' in the premier league, comprising some posts that utterly beggar belief and yet another thread in which the general consensus appears to be that Christian Benteke would be a good signing for the club. Perhaps he would. YaYa Toure is roundly criticised for his 'strolling brand of football' amongst some, still hailed as a genius amongst others. Granted, Benteke is 25, not 65, but can we be 'absolutely sure' that he can reproduce and fulfil that huge potential that he showed several seasons ago? Like most, he clearly needs game time, but clearly such an investment in what is to me a chronically out of form player when the stakes are now so high, carries an immense risk. Am I 'absolutely sure'? - by no means, but if the club does sign him it's because they know substantially more about the player and the game than any of us that post for fun on a football forum.

[cityfanlee23]

Personally I don't think that...

 

 

 

Your point about being 'absolutely sure' is exactly right but works both ways. To be in denial of his prodigious talent would be imbecilic - but there have only been glimpses of the player that he was prior to injury. If the game is bought to him, he can be exceptional - and as a previous post termed it 'lethal', but he doesn't chase it like our current squad does. Nor does he have the football intelligence of a great striker. In a nano second it can be rifling into the back of the net, but if he has time on the ball the Schlupp syndrome sets in and too often it's destined for row Z. In addition to this, his positional awareness is often lacking. Perhaps elements of this can be redressed on the training ground, but I strongly believe that Vardy's outstanding instinctive play, although developed through coaching, is largely innate. 

 

This is a football forum...I understand that it has huge membership therefore a vast spectrum of views which can sometimes as a consequence verge on the irrational. We produce a thread on 'overrated players' in the premier league, comprising some posts that utterly beggar belief and yet another thread in which the general consensus appears to be that Christian Benteke would be a good signing for the club. Perhaps he would. YaYa Toure is roundly criticised for his 'strolling brand of football' amongst some, still hailed as a genius amongst others. Granted, Benteke is 25, not 65, but can we be 'absolutely sure' that he can reproduce and fulfil that huge potential that he showed several seasons ago? Like most, he clearly needs game time, but clearly such an investment in what is to me a chronically out of form player when the stakes are now so high, carries an immense risk. Am I 'absolutely sure'? - by no means, but if the club does sign him it's because they know substantially more about the player and the game than any of us that post for fun on a football forum.

 

 

Absolutely see your point, but for a player that is Chronically out of form, He's scored more than Ulloa and Okazaki.

IF he can take to our ethos he will be an upgrade on both and worth the risk, if we are scouting him and prepared to bid  then I'd back our scouts and say get him in.

[SpacedX]

Klopp has played 1 upfront many times this season which suits origi or sturridge more.

 

He carried villa for 2 seasons, so for you to write him off after 1 season at liverpool is pretty laughable really, 

 

 

 

And when Christian Benteke supposedly single handedly 'carried' Villa he was playing at the tip in front of two attacking mid fielders. He was also very comfortable with a 4-2-3-1 bolstered by service from the flanks and two midfield runners behind him. The attack was built around the strength and underrated pace of Benteke and yeah, he was the fulcrum of this, but for people to claim that he 'carried' Villa for two seasons is absurd and overlooks the contribution of other significant players which were key at the time. And that is very much my point - Benteke very much relies upon the the service and performance of his team mates. The pre-season friendly volley against Swindon I think it was, and the scissor kick against Man U were World Class, but atypical to his current game. He rarely demonstrates the ability of a Mahrez or Vardy to single handedly and repeatedly turn a game and rip open a defence in a few seconds of unworldly genius. 

 

 

 

to say that because klopp can't motivate him means he will never do it is silly, It's only 48 games into his reign.

 

I didn't say anything of the sort, I suggested that he won't be part of his future plans. 

 

There are plenty of players who have NOT improved under Klopp, They are playing no better than they did under rodgers in their infamous 2nd season, so we knew the ones still there had ability anyway. 

 

But you originally said this...

 

Klopp hasn't really inspired anyone massively at Liverpool

 

...which is in fairness, a bizarre contention Lee.

 

if the rumours that we could put a bid in are true, clearly the scouts know more than all of us and disagree with your sentiments, 

Completely agree Lee. Apologies, I mentioned this simultaneously in another post, but you are absolutely right.

 

He only has to run a bit and he's an upgrade on shinji too, 

'Only has to run a bit'??!!?? - I'd say as it stands now, he has to aspire to substantially more than that to even dream of the movement and work rate of Okazaki.

 

 

Absolutely see your point, but for a player that is Chronically out of form, He's scored more than Ulloa and Okazaki.

IF he can take to our ethos he will be an upgrade on both and worth the risk, if we are scouting him and prepared to bid  then I'd back our scouts and say get him in.

The Ulloa comparisons are harsh. Personally, I'm not sure that he would have stepped up to the challenge as convincingly as Leo and delivered when he needed to. but that is entirely hypothetical. Okazaki's role is crucial, and doesn't simply equate to a goal tally. It is not something that I feel Benteke could duplicate.

 

However, again I'm completely with you on the second point Lee. Let's see. 

[cityfanlee23]

Out of it all mate I'd rather have zaza anyway, just wouldn't say no to Benteke providing the price was right.

[cityfanlee23]

Started today, got an assist.

[Nick]

Started today, got an assist.

An assist? Wow - on that form let's pay 30 million. Did he run around a bit too? If he did then he's certainly an upgrade on what we have......

No BBB's and we only want strikers who will run all day. If he covered 12km in today's match then I'll reconsider but I doubt he did.