General Election, June 8th

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said:

Yeah yesterdays Independent said 78% of the country opposed - really daft thing to stick in ones manifesto I'd have thought!

The worrying thing is that they are even thinking about it....

Evokes images of Tory toffs looking down on everything and everyone, including foxes.

None of us want that again surely.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

7 minutes ago, MattP said:

I thought that. I'd be very surprised if the Tory manifesto did put this in now, they must know what the public view is on foxhunting (I think 80% oppose) and why would you rock the boat of such a great poll lead for such a minimal gain in rural seats you don't even need to do anything to win.

 

There are at least 50 anti-Foxhunting Tory MP's now so even with a huge majority it would still struggle to pass the house, utter madness if that goes in.

 

I get the sense this may be a personal thing May wants in... and will end up going in.

 

Mean while, the Lib Dems have just promised to legalise pot. 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Soundman said:

But then nationalisation relies on funding and decisions being made by people who tend to not know about the area. The Railway needs huge amounts of investment, where would that money come from...either borrowing or taxes 

But it currently comes from taxation and the public paying for services anyway so what's the difference? It would still come from taxation and paying customers. Only difference is there'd be no need to pay for the shareholder's bubbly!

[Guest Col city fan]

3 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

I get the sense this may be a personal thing May wants in... and will end up going in.

 

Mean while, the Lib Dems have just promised to legalise pot. 

Yes, that's what I'd been led to believe.

[Nick]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

The worrying thing is that they are even thinking about it....

Evokes images of Tory toffs looking down on everything and everyone, including foxes.

None of us want that again surely.

I used to be a hunt saboteur in my teens - its a skilled pastime to disrupt the hunt effectively to ensure fox survival - I had to learn the horn calls etc..

 

Without wishing to go off topic into well trodden FT hunt territory the thing I despise about this bloodsport most (and its a bloodsport not a hunt) is the deception that goes with it - the way hounds are treated and cast away and the whole load of crap about getting rid of vermin when its blatant and common knowledge that the hunts introduce foxes to their hunting areas. I'd like to  recreate something like the running man and chase fox hunters through the countryside on a crosser with a lance and a knuckle duster.

[Nick]

Go Lib Dems!

[DJ Barry Hammond]

20 minutes ago, Soundman said:

But then nationalisation relies on funding and decisions being made by people who tend to not know about the area. The Railway needs huge amounts of investment, where would that money come from...either borrowing or taxes 

http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/24149/uk-rail-industry-financial-information-2015-16.pdf

 

I decided to look up the recent funding structure report, because I'm aware the current system is still largely state funded (because the state owns / maintains the track, signals, etc).

 

i'd have given you a summary of the findings in this comment, but it's far to complex for my brain at this point. I guess the thing to take from this is, the part privatisation of the railways we have is a mess and something needs doing... and putting it back in state hands is probably the better way to go. 

 

Also, the theory that the state can run things is a bit of a myth... private companies fail as well. With modern day working practices, there's no reason state ownership can't be a success.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

I used to be a hunt saboteur in my teens - its a skilled pastime to disrupt the hunt effectively to ensure fox survival - I had to learn the horn calls etc..

 

Without wishing to go off topic into well trodden FT hunt territory the thing I despise about this bloodsport most (and its a bloodsport not a hunt) is the deception that goes with it - the way hounds are treated and cast away and the whole load of crap about getting rid of vermin when its blatant and common knowledge that the hunts introduce foxes to their hunting areas. I'd like to  recreate something like the running man and chase fox hunters through the countryside on a crosser with a lance and a knuckle duster.

peoples focus on fox hunting is so pathetic, I'm not in favor of it, but then you should also ban boxing, mma and any other fighting, horse racing, dog racing all of which are cruel. If you're in favor of the above then you can't be against fox hunting and visa versa 

 

 

[Nick]

1 minute ago, Soundman said:

peoples focus on fox hunting is so pathetic, I'm not in favor of it, but then you should also ban boxing, mma and any other fighting, horse racing, dog racing all of which are cruel. If you're in favor of the above then you can't be against fox hunting and visa versa 

 

 

Easy there tiger - I can do what I like. I love boxing and box myself completely different.

 

There are things I'd like to do to clean up the sports of horse and dog racing though but thats for another thread.

[Guest Col city fan]

6 minutes ago, Soundman said:

peoples focus on fox hunting is so pathetic, I'm not in favor of it, but then you should also ban boxing, mma and any other fighting, horse racing, dog racing all of which are cruel. If you're in favor of the above then you can't be against fox hunting and visa versa 

 

 

What utter garbage..

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said:

Easy there tiger - I can do what I like. I love boxing and box myself completely different.

 

There are things I'd like to do to clean up the sports of horse and dog racing though but thats for another thread.

I mean I do love boxing but as a fitness thing. I've never understood someone's desire to punch someone else to the point of knocking them out. 

[Guest]

Just now, Col city fan said:

What utter garbage..

your opinion, do you think a horse really wants to be ran and whipped to exhaustion and then shot when they are no longer of use. maybe we can start doing that to humans as well ? 

[EnderbyFox]

5 minutes ago, Soundman said:

peoples focus on fox hunting is so pathetic, I'm not in favor of it, but then you should also ban boxing, mma and any other fighting, horse racing, dog racing all of which are cruel. If you're in favor of the above then you can't be against fox hunting and visa versa 

 

 

 

Are you really comparing combat sports with people chasing down defenceless animals and getting enjoyment from their dogs tearing them to shreds whilst they are dressed as bellends on horseback?

[Nick]

Just now, Soundman said:

I mean I do love boxing but as a fitness thing. I've never understood someone's desire to punch someone else to the point of knocking them out. 

It's an art - but lets take this over to either the boxing or the hunting thread respectively.

 

[Guest Col city fan]

2 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

 

Are you really comparing combat sports with people chasing down defenceless animals and getting enjoyment from their dogs tearing them to shreds whilst they are dressed as bellends on horseback?

It would appear so.

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Soundman said:

I mean I do love boxing but as a fitness thing. I've never understood someone's desire to punch someone else to the point of knocking them out. 

There is nothing like watching two boxers go at it mano a mano.

 

I've been to a few big fights (before they were taken over by the current bellends who go) and there is nothing like the theatre of it, it's the closest we have to what the Romans would have experienced. Go to a local show if you can, you might see it ina  different lights, it's ballet for blokes.

 

But yes, it's probably for 20 years left in this country tops before it is banned. But you can't compare it to anything else as consent is the key.

[Nick]

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

There is nothing like watching two boxers go at it mano a mano.

 

I've been to a few big fights (before they were taken over by the current bellends who go) and there is nothing like the theatre of it, it's the closest we have to what the Romans would have experienced. Go to a local show if you can, you might see it ina  different lights, it's ballet for blokes.

 

But yes, it's probably for 20 years left in this country tops before it is banned. But you can't compare it to anything else as consent is the key.

Boom.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

 

Are you really comparing combat sports with people chasing down defenceless animals and getting enjoyment from their dogs tearing them to shreds whilst they are dressed as bellends on horseback?

100% https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929290-200-ban-boxing-its-demeaning-and-dangerous/

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

It would appear so.

Again my opinion, but I personally don't see the reason a man wants to cause such harm to someone else in the name of sport. ironic really that you'll oppose one sport in favor for another, both of which are brutal in their own right, maybe if they make a way for it to be televised and it;s backed by the BBC and you can have a bet on it you'll change your mind.....

[Nick]

3 minutes ago, Soundman said:

Again my opinion, but I personally don't see the reason a man wants to cause such harm to someone else in the name of sport. ironic really that you'll oppose one sport in favor for another, both of which are brutal in their own right, maybe if they make a way for it to be televised and it;s backed by the BBC and you can have a bet on it you'll change your mind.....

I'm not sure who's frontal cortex to be more worried about here, mine or yours.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Boom.

Agree, maybe I should have placed them in different bullets points (horse racing, dog racing and fox hunting) then boxing and other fighting, although throwing it right into a storm. do you think by accepting fighting and so on as a sport makes people believe it's more acceptable to fight outside of a controlled environment. where it's not consent 

[Nick]

 

Just now, Soundman said:

Agree, maybe I should have placed them in different bullets points (horse racing, dog racing and fox hunting) then boxing and other fighting, although throwing it right into a storm. do you think by accepting fighting and so on as a sport makes people believe it's more acceptable to fight outside of a controlled environment. where it's not consent 

Whatever but please:

 

16 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

It's an art - but lets take this over to either the boxing or the hunting thread respectively.

 

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

I don't think we can judge the Labour wish list/manifesto until we see the costings on Tuesday, it does appear to be a push but we'll see who they have got to independently verify it.

 

It does appear it is staying the same so my theory from yesterday looks dead, maybe the leak was to get all the policies out into the press before we could see the finances with it? If it was it has worked.

They've played a blinder here let's be honest, it's even got me intrigued. If it wasn't for soft brexit, I'd be seriously considering switching over.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

I don't think we can judge the Labour wish list/manifesto until we see the costings on Tuesday, it does appear to be a push but we'll see who they have got to independently verify it.

 

It does appear it is staying the same so my theory from yesterday looks dead, maybe the leak was to get all the policies out into the press before we could see the finances with it? If it was it has worked.

 

Especially if when released with the costings, it's reasonably comprehensive and the figures get a thumbs up from the IFS - as that would dent one line of attack.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Especially if when released with the costings, it's reasonably comprehensive and the figures get a thumbs up from the IFS - as that would dent one line of attack.

That's unlikely though given the IFS have already come out yesterday and said it's likely to damage the economy long term.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/10/labour-corporation-tax-schools-economy-ifs-jeremy-corbyn