General Election, June 8th

[Nick]

26 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Quite glad it's banned in Denmark and other nations, its barbaric and should be banned.

If they aren't stunned then yeah but it's not really any worse than them being stunned followed by a bolt gun or an electrocution device!

 

I don't agree with the way animals are killed either in the main but the whole religious aspect for me I find mystifying in most contexts.

[Dr The Singh]

51 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

If they aren't stunned then yeah but it's not really any worse than them being stunned followed by a bolt gun or an electrocution device!

 

I don't agree with the way animals are killed either in the main but the whole religious aspect for me I find mystifying in most contexts.

Majority halal certifiers do not allow stunning.  Stunned halal meat is very much in the minority.  In fact majority halal meat is imported, hence no stunning at all

[Jon the Hat]

7 hours ago, Webbo said:

Yeah, thats the main pledge.

It's written on the bus imo.

[Foxxed]

8 hours ago, Webbo said:

Yeah, thats the main pledge.

What are the other ones?

 

I, Therese May, want your votes but I, Theresa May, want to keep my policy ideas to myself. It is a good negotiation tactic, friends.

 

I lie though. I lie. I heard the immigration one. She wants to reduce immigration. Hooray!

 

Here's cheerleading Brexiteer Wetherspoon's owner Tim Martin telling you how that'd bone him right and proper - and maybe others, other companies who say it's the EU immigrants that fill the factories turning the cogs of industry.

 

So she wants to kill animals for sport and strangle industry for pleasure.

 

Any other policies?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Foxxed said:

What are the other ones?

 

I, Therese May, want your votes but I, Theresa May, want to keep my policy ideas to myself. It is a good negotiation tactic, friends.

 

I lie though. I lie. I heard the immigration one. She wants to reduce immigration. Hooray!

 

Here's cheerleading Brexiteer Wetherspoon's owner Tim Martin telling you how that'd bone him right and proper - and maybe others, other companies who say it's the EU immigrants that fill the factories turning the cogs of industry.

 

So she wants to kill animals for sport and strangle industry for pleasure.

 

Any other policies?

Yup, sell off the NHS and only have good schools for rich kids. 

[Foxxed]

1 hour ago, toddybad said:

Yup, sell off the NHS and only have good schools for rich kids. 

She separated the country's children with her old mandate dude.

 

And Jeremy Hunt wouldn't assume that profit-driven healthcare companies would place profit before quality. Give him credit.

[Guest MattP]

11 hours ago, toddybad said:

Yup, sell off the NHS and only have good schools for rich kids. 

24 hours to save da NHS innit

[Nick]

25 minutes ago, MattP said:

24 hours to save da NHS innit

Izzit cuz u izzney black?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

That is quite an astonishing position from the Wetherspoons boss! 

[Guest MattP]

22 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

That is quite an astonishing position from the Wetherspoons boss! 

Tim Martin? What has he dome? 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

24 hours to save da NHS innit

Frankly, yes.

Our public services are in dire straights and the current government has no answer to this  largely because they have been the architects of the problems that exist. 

I genuinely cannot understand why some people view it as more important to keep the status quo that try to improve things.

What exactly has improved under the 7 years of Tory rule? 

 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

Who the hell came up with this tactic for Rebecca Long-Bailey...

 

Gain a prime time slot for an interview and start the first 3 questions with the response, i can't tell you anything, wait till Tuesday (because the manifesto isn't out).

 

Truely bizarre! I don't really see what 'Labour figures' see in her. 

 

 

[EnderbyFox]

Brandon Lewis getting absolutely savaged by Andrew Neil here. 

[Rincewind]

Too many people wearing blue tinted specs who fail or don't want to see that the NHS has become worse in recent years. Instead the mock and make fun of it hoping it will all go away.

It is sad to see what has happened to the NHS.

[Foxxed]

To be fair to the Tories, there's a social housing pledge I've just read about today. They'll support local governments buying land and developing property using money already earmarked for capital expenditure. After 10 to 15 years the councils can sell the housing with the owner having first right of refusal. 

 

So this assumes in 15 years they'll be no longer any need for social housing? That there will no longer be a divide - a divide increased by slashing surestart schemes and partitioning our schools and children into haves and have-nots? 

 

If they're going to support social housing to lessen the social divide, and the increase in crime which results, then don't magic the housing away in 15 years - create policies so fewer people will need social housing, exactly what they're not doing.

[Guest Kopfkino]

22 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

To be fair to the Tories, there's a social housing pledge I've just read about today. They'll support local governments buying land and developing property using money already earmarked for capital expenditure. After 10 to 15 years the councils can sell the housing with the owner having first right of refusal. 

 

So this assumes in 15 years they'll be no longer any need for social housing? That there will no longer be a divide - a divide increased by slashing surestart schemes and partitioning our schools and children into haves and have-nots? 

 

If they're going to support social housing to lessen the social divide, and the increase in crime which results, then don't magic the housing away in 15 years - create policies so fewer people will need social housing, exactly what they're not doing.

 

And the plan also says that the idea is for the money from sale to be reinvested in new social homes. Which a)helps people get on the ladder and own their own home b)ensures there's a supply of new, fresh and hopefully desirable social housing done affordably.

 

It's a plan that the Conservatives really need to push, it will be very popular with the voters they are trying to attract and actually is a decent policy

[Guest Kopfkino]

2 hours ago, Rincewind said:

Too many people wearing blue tinted specs who fail or don't want to see that the NHS has become worse in recent years. Instead the mock and make fun of it hoping it will all go away.

It is sad to see what has happened to the NHS.

 

I'm fed up of the NHS being a political tool to beat the Conservatives with. The fact is,

it would have/will get worse no matter who is in charge, and its so tiresome that people don't want to admit that. It wont get better until people have a different attitude towards it; both in the way they use it and the way they view it. It is no longer possible for it to fulfil the visions that made it in 1948. It's become too big and too cumbersome, and with the changes in healthcare, it is becoming nigh on impossible to have a top class health service that is free at the point of use no matter what. It's too politically toxic to touch the NHS that nothing will change until there's an actual devastating crisis that forces action. That is, unless people stop putting it on a pedestal of this wonderful, untouchable British institution, and accept we're going to have to see some change because it's not sustainable as is

 

The unfortunate thing is there seems to be nobody who has the revolutionary and innovative ideas that are needed for us to achieve what we need from the health service. Perhaps we should just import some Germans to sort it out for us, their health service is good and going from strength to strength.

[sphericalfox]

30 minutes ago, KingGTF said:

 

I'm fed up of the NHS being a political tool to beat the Conservatives with. The fact is,

it would have/will get worse no matter who is in charge, and its so tiresome that people don't want to admit that. It wont get better until people have a different attitude towards it; both in the way they use it and the way they view it. It is no longer possible for it to fulfil the visions that made it in 1948. It's become too big and too cumbersome, and with the changes in healthcare, it is becoming nigh on impossible to have a top class health service that is free at the point of use no matter what. It's too politically toxic to touch the NHS that nothing will change until there's an actual devastating crisis that forces action. That is, unless people stop putting it on a pedestal of this wonderful, untouchable British institution, and accept we're going to have to see some change because it's not sustainable as is

 

The unfortunate thing is there seems to be nobody who has the revolutionary and innovative ideas that are needed for us to achieve what we need from the health service. Perhaps we should just import some Germans to sort it out for us, their health service is good and going from strength to strength.

You have no idea what you're on about. Serious unfunding and constant deckchair shuffling are the real problems with the NHS. Yes it does need efficiency measures and better innovative thinking, but as huge entity it needs to be measured and done at the right pace. The Tories have literally put in black and white that their intentions is to sell off the NHS. Whilst it's nearly impossible to privatise the NHS, if your strategy is to allow private companies to cherry pick the most lucrative contracts, you simply underfund, and make out that you are pumping in billions, when in actuality you are not, and are crippling the service to then make out that it'd be better run under privately led contracts.

[leicsmac]

55 minutes ago, KingGTF said:

 

I'm fed up of the NHS being a political tool to beat the Conservatives with. The fact is,

it would have/will get worse no matter who is in charge, and its so tiresome that people don't want to admit that. It wont get better until people have a different attitude towards it; both in the way they use it and the way they view it. It is no longer possible for it to fulfil the visions that made it in 1948. It's become too big and too cumbersome, and with the changes in healthcare, it is becoming nigh on impossible to have a top class health service that is free at the point of use no matter what. It's too politically toxic to touch the NHS that nothing will change until there's an actual devastating crisis that forces action. That is, unless people stop putting it on a pedestal of this wonderful, untouchable British institution, and accept we're going to have to see some change because it's not sustainable as is

 

The unfortunate thing is there seems to be nobody who has the revolutionary and innovative ideas that are needed for us to achieve what we need from the health service. Perhaps we should just import some Germans to sort it out for us, their health service is good and going from strength to strength.

I'm sorry, but barring a major policy shift the NHS will always be something the Tories are going to get it in the neck over.

 

There are equivalent issues that Labour will always suffer similarly on. That's just the way the political spectrum works.

[Rincewind]

Who benefits from the running down of the NHS? Private Health companies. There was a MP that gave a long speech giving reasons to sell off a contract to a private company. The proposal was passed. Who got the contract? The company that the MP was on the board of directors.

More than a hint of brown paper bags passed under the table and you from all parties scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Even if the action was all above board nobody can dispute there is probably a lot of favours handed about from all parties and all levels from local councils to Westminster. How else can political parties get their funding?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, KingGTF said:

 

I'm fed up of the NHS being a political tool to beat the Conservatives with. The fact is,

it would have/will get worse no matter who is in charge, and its so tiresome that people don't want to admit that. It wont get better until people have a different attitude towards it; both in the way they use it and the way they view it. It is no longer possible for it to fulfil the visions that made it in 1948. It's become too big and too cumbersome, and with the changes in healthcare, it is becoming nigh on impossible to have a top class health service that is free at the point of use no matter what. It's too politically toxic to touch the NHS that nothing will change until there's an actual devastating crisis that forces action. That is, unless people stop putting it on a pedestal of this wonderful, untouchable British institution, and accept we're going to have to see some change because it's not sustainable as is

 

The unfortunate thing is there seems to be nobody who has the revolutionary and innovative ideas that are needed for us to achieve what we need from the health service. Perhaps we should just import some Germans to sort it out for us, their health service is good and going from strength to strength.

This is complete bollocks. If you're suggesting insurance of some sort that still means the public paying for it so why not just add a bit to tax or spend a bit less elsewhere? The Tories reorganised the NHS creating an unholy mess and then won't give them the money that's needed to run it. Their health secretary has created bad blood with virtually the entire workforce and vacancies are significant. You only have to go back a decade to find an NHS that didn't have these problems and its quite obvious what the change has been - a government intent on cutting due to its ideology.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, toddybad said:

Frankly, yes.

Our public services are in dire straights and the current government has no answer to this  largely because they have been the architects of the problems that exist. 

I genuinely cannot understand why some people view it as more important to keep the status quo that try to improve things.

What exactly has improved under the 7 years of Tory rule? 

 

Nobody has an answer to this then?

[sphericalfox]

9 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Nobody has an answer to this then?

The tax bills and bank balances of a few have probably improved...does that count?

[The Doctor]

3 hours ago, KingGTF said:

 

I'm fed up of the NHS being a political tool to beat the Conservatives with. The fact is, it would have/will get worse no matter who is in charge, and its so tiresome that people don't want to admit that. It wont get better until people have a different attitude towards it; both in the way they use it and the way they view it. It is no longer possible for it to fulfil the visions that made it in 1948. It's become too big and too cumbersome, and with the changes in healthcare, it is becoming nigh on impossible to have a top class health service that is free at the point of use no matter what. It's too politically toxic to touch the NHS that nothing will change until there's an actual devastating crisis that forces action. That is, unless people stop putting it on a pedestal of this wonderful, untouchable British institution, and accept we're going to have to see some change because it's not sustainable as is

 

The unfortunate thing is there seems to be nobody who has the revolutionary and innovative ideas that are needed for us to achieve what we need from the health service. Perhaps we should just import some Germans to sort it out for us, their health service is good and going from strength to strength.

Really? So, which ever party was in charge would have appointed a **** like Hunt to drive staff out in droves? Public attitudes towards health, and visiting A&E at the slightest thing is a problem, but it's naive to think that the current mess isn't on the head of a government who have been hell bent on destroying it with their actions over the last 7 years.

[Carl the Llama]

45 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Really? So, which ever party was in charge would have appointed a **** like Hunt to drive staff out in droves? Public attitudes towards health, and visiting A&E at the slightest thing is a problem, but it's naive to think that the current mess isn't on the head of a government who have been hell bent on destroying it with their actions over the last 7 years.

Welcome to the world of the party hardliner:  If it works it's because of the party, if it's shit it's because nobody could have done it.  You get them all over the spectrum.