General Election, June 8th

[Alf Bentley]

14 minutes ago, MattP said:

 

Trying not to go off topic it looks very unlikely he'll get that majority, he's going to need some serious coalition building skills to get and if Melanchon's party and the Front National have a big representation we could end up with another set of elections in a few months, it's as different as it gets this from my reading, electing a president with almost no power to do anything at the moment.

 

Strange, probably increasingly turbulent times on both sides of the Channel.

[LiberalFox]

 

1 hour ago, Samilktray said:

I saw an article floating around on twitter saying the Lib Dems wanted to legalize marijuana, is this fake news? 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39897999

[Guest MattP]

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[leicsmac]

Just now, MattP said:

The Chatham house speech is interesting,

Jeremy has opposed nuclear weapons all his life but now there's an election on he'll use them if he needs too. Fair play to him again, takes a big man go admit they are wrong.

 

Will his supporters be OK with that?

 

Not sure how good a move that is - can imagine it might appeal to the middle ground a little but might cost him more of core support (though perhaps not).

 

As has been said on here before though, if the situation ever arose when they would need to be used the whole world would likely be fvcked anyway with or without our contribution, so aside from (minimal considering our alliances with various other nuclear-armed powers) deterrence and the ego boost they provide I'm not sure of the point of keeping them anyway.

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Not sure how good a move that is - can imagine it might appeal to the middle ground a little but might cost him more of core support (though perhaps not).

 

As has been said on here before though, if the situation ever arose when they would need to be used the whole world would likely be fvcked anyway with or without our contribution, so aside from (minimal considering our alliances with various other nuclear-armed powers) deterrence and the ego boost they provide I'm not sure of the point of keeping them anyway.

I deleted the post mate, I read it wrong.

 

He has he was use "military force" as a last resort, not nuclear. 

 

Sorry.

[leicsmac]

Just now, MattP said:

I deleted the post mate, I read it wrong.

 

He has he was use "military force" as a last resort, not nuclear. 

 

Sorry.

 

Aha! That makes more sense.

[Sharpe's Fox]

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

I deleted the post mate, I read it wrong.

 

He has he was use "military force" as a last resort, not nuclear. 

 

Sorry.

[Guest MattP]

Theresa May just cracked a funny.

 

"Labour will take us back 40 years, or 400 years according to Diane Abbott"

[Guest MattP]

Just now, Sharpe's Fox said:

See the reasoning

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

3 hours ago, Col city fan said:

 

For the Tories to now what to bring fox hunting back is just disgusting in my eyes and for that one issue, they will lose my vote.

If you didn't spoil your vote and voted for another party, would you base your whole political decision over the party to run the country both socially / economically and world affairs base on not Fox hunting?

 

I suspect whoever gets in will impact on your life in the next 5 years more than a moral decision about a countryside practise. 

 

I'm not happy about foxhunting, but I'm also a townie with Fox's in my garden.  Despite this I would not let that emotive subject distract me from my final vote decision.

 

Ps, I do believe its just a free vote for all MP's (No Whip) on the subject, one which could easily remain as a ban.  So to say they will bring it back is actually 100% incorrect to say at this stage.  Or am I wrong on this?

[Sharpe's Fox]

6 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

If you didn't spoil your vote and voted for another party, would you base your whole political decision over the party to run the country both socially / economically and world affairs base on not Fox hunting?

Theresa May is campaigning doing just that so why shouldn't he? She hasn't set out any other policy's be them social, economic or foreign affairs unless their Labour ones. Maybe Mrs May's personal moral decision on the matter is a demonstration on how she will run the country as a whole; with no thought given to the suffering of innocents in the name of Conservative Party pet projects.

[LiberalFox]

If Tim Farron can get grilled on gay sex because he's openly Christian then you'd hope Theresa May gets pressed over foxhunting. 

[Guest MattP]

13 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

If Tim Farron can get grilled on gay sex because he's openly Christian then you'd hope Theresa May gets pressed over foxhunting. 

Why would she be grilled? She was asked about it and said she would personally like to overturn the ban, you might not like the answer but she was honest. 

 

Farron was grilled he kept answering the question of "Is gay a sex a sin?" with "Being gay is not a sin" which was clearly not the answer to the question being asked.

[LiberalFox]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

Why would she be grilled? She was asked about it and said she would personally like to overturn the ban, you might not like the answer but she was honest. 

 

Farron was grilled he kept answering the question of "Is gay a sex a sin?" with "Being gay is not a sin" which was clearly not the answer to the question being asked.

 

Why was he asked that question anyway? Presumably because he is a Christian and some interpretations of the bible are that gay sex is a "sin". Considering the question wasn't related to any specific policy one must presume that the media feel it's in the public interest to grill political leaders on their personal opinions regarding social issues.

 

Well now May has said that she has always supported fox hunting and would support having a free vote on the issue. This is despite around 80%? of the electorate being against it. Will she personally be part of any pro-hunting campaign? What led her to adopt a pro-hunting stance? Does she dispute that fox hunting is cruel to foxes?

 

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 minute ago, LiberalFox said:

 

Why was he asked that question anyway? Presumably because he is a Christian and some interpretations of the bible are that gay sex is a "sin". Considering the question wasn't related to any specific policy one must presume that the media feel it's in the public interest to grill political leaders on their personal opinions regarding social issues.

 

Well now May has said that she has always supported fox hunting and would support having a free vote on the issue. This is despite around 80%? of the electorate being against it. Will she personally be part of any pro-hunting campaign? What led her to adopt a pro-hunting stance? Does she dispute that fox hunting is cruel to foxes?

 

well it is relevant when you're trying to portray your party as pro LGBT, he made it much worse on himself trying to deflect it.

[Guest MattP]

6 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

well it is relevant when you're trying to portray your party as pro LGBT, he made it much worse on himself trying to deflect it.

Cheers.

 

The worst thing about the Farron stuff is as well you just know he's either tried gay sex or really wants to. 

[LiberalFox]

10 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

well it is relevant when you're trying to portray your party as pro LGBT, he made it much worse on himself trying to deflect it.

 

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

Cheers.

 

The worst thing about the Farron stuff is as well you just know he's either tried gay sex or really wants to. 

 

Well I thought it was an unfair question. I suppose he should have just said no straight away. I think he felt he was sticking up for his personal freedoms and by extension the rights of other people with a religious identity.

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

 

 

Well I thought it was an unfair question. I suppose he should have just said no straight away. I think he felt he was sticking up for his personal freedoms and by extension the rights of other people with a religious identity.

I think (not sure) that it came about because it was publicised that he had abstained from the final vote on gay marriage.

[Sharpe's Fox]

[The Horse's Mouth]

****ing hell

[LiberalFox]

11 minutes ago, MattP said:

I think (not sure) that it came about because it was publicised that he had abstained from the final vote on gay marriage.

 

I know he supported an amendment regarding religious groups although I don't know exactly what the wording was. Given the nonsense with the bakery in N.I. I think trying to get the law fair and balanced is reasonable. He then abstained after the amendment got rejected but has since claimed he was wrong and should have voted in favour regardless. It all got discussed extensively when he ran for the leadership and he spent a good amount of time answering interviews from LGBT+ groups. Either way there's no evidence he intends to persecute LGBT+ groups.

 

I'd press May on foxhunting because she's talking about actually taking steps to bring it back and supports it.  

[leicsmac]

If he really believes that, then Mr Farron might be better off getting into politics in certain states over here where that kind of view would be...better received by the local populace.

[LiberalFox]

I assumed it was fake news but apparently someone got access to his twitter and wrote that. 

[The Blur]

I remember that Cameron announced that he will intend to repeal fox hunting ban after he got reelected, what happened afterwards? Did MPs vote to keep the ban in the place?

 

It is ironic how people are appalled at fox hunting but will happily eat animals who were treated inhumanely in slaughterhouses. 

[Sharpe's Fox]

2 minutes ago, The Blur said:

I remember that Cameron announced that he will intend to repeal fox hunting ban after he got reelected, what happened afterwards? Did MPs vote to keep the ban in the place?

 

It is ironic how people are appalled at fox hunting but will happily eat animals who were treated inhumanely in slaughterhouses. 

Tories we're going to put a vote through but the SNP said they'd vote against it when usually they wouldn't even vote on English only issues so Tories backed down in the meantime.