Nick Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 1 minute ago, Bryn said: So control the population then, if we must, but don't ****ing chase them until they're petrified then tear them to pieces. Your argument is retarded, it's like saying we shouldn't have resisted Mussolini because he wasn't as bad as Hitler. My ex-girlfriend's father was a farmer and landowner in Powys, he and most of his community despise fox hunting. They park their Range Rovers all over his land, block thoroughfares, destroy hedges and fences, terrify the livestock with the noise and commotion and treat the landowners with utter disdain. It's got nothing to do with population control and everything to do with being selfish, elitist, cruel people who think they can do whatever they want. Just like most Tories.
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 7 minutes ago, Bryn said: So control the population then, if we must, but don't ****ing chase them until they're petrified then tear them to pieces. Your argument is retarded, it's like saying we shouldn't have resisted Mussolini because he wasn't as bad as Hitler. My ex-girlfriend's father was a farmer and landowner in Powys, he and most of his community despise fox hunting. They park their Range Rovers all over his land, block thoroughfares, destroy hedges and fences, terrify the livestock with the noise and commotion and treat the landowners with utter disdain. It's got nothing to do with population control and everything to do with being selfish, elitist, cruel people who think they can do whatever they want. Just like most Tories. Bryn, The last few words sum up your actual feeling about this. You couldn't give two shits about a bloody fox. It's the class war you prefer to wage.... How do you feel about Halal meat Bryn? That's a nice death for an animal, but we don't talk about this do we Bryn?
Buce Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 6 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said: Bryn, The last few words sum up your actual feeling about this. You couldn't give two shits about a bloody fox. It's the class war you prefer to wage.... How do you feel about Halal meat Bryn? That's a nice death for an animal, but we don't talk about this do we Bryn?
Bryn Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 2 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said: Bryn, The last few words sum up your actual feeling about this. You couldn't give two shits about a bloody fox. It's the class war you prefer to wage.... How do you feel about Halal meat Bryn? That's a nice death for an animal, but we don't talk about this do we Bryn? You know nothing about me you strange person. The meat and dairy industries are both pretty barbaric and are in need of reform. Long term, our consumption of meat and dairy is probably unsustainable and we will need to find alternatives. Halal meat is pretty barbaric too, but likely only gets more of a spotlight shone on it because it's alien and unfamiliar. Also, what is this class war you're on about? You realise I'm a doctor, a profession historically considered to be amongst the uppe middle classes? You realise I'd almost certainly be financially better off under years of Conservative rule and if they fully privatise the NHS? I just happen to not think running millions of other people into the ground to benefit myself is right.
Guest MattP Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 35 minutes ago, Bryn said: everything to do with being selfish, elitist, cruel people who think they can do whatever they want. Just like most Tories. And you still wonder why anyone who isn't already converted to the cause won't vote Labour? You really are your own worst enemies. Just for the record BTW, the yougov poll this week had over 55% of Conservative voters also against overturning the ban.
Bryn Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 12 minutes ago, MattP said: And you still wonder why anyone who isn't already converted to the cause won't vote Labour? You really are your own worst enemies. Just for the record BTW, the yougov poll this week had over 55% of Conservative voters also against overturning the ban. I have never voted Labour at a GE.
Guest MattP Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 10 minutes ago, Bryn said: I have never voted Labour at a GE. My apologies. I just assumed as they were the only major party overtly anti-hunting.
Foxxed Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 We're facing growing economic problems and a massive geopolitical realignment and the main Tory pledge is "We'll allow fox hunting again!" It's embarrassing.
Webbo Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 2 minutes ago, Foxxed said: We're facing growing economic problems and a massive geopolitical realignment and the main Tory pledge is "We'll allow fox hunting again!" It's embarrassing. Yeah, thats the main pledge.
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 2 hours ago, Buce said: Nice selfie Buce ?
Nick Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 2 hours ago, MattP said: And you still wonder why anyone who isn't already converted to the cause won't vote Labour? You really are your own worst enemies. Just for the record BTW, the yougov poll this week had over 55% of Conservative voters also against overturning the ban. WHOA there Tonto - don't be blanket stereotyping all Labour voters or your as bad as him!
Jimothy Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 14 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: WHOA there Tonto - don't be blanket stereotyping all Labour voters or your as bad as him! Come on, you should know by now Matt's allowed to stereotype people who don't agree with him, it's only the other way round it's not allowed.
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 2 hours ago, Bryn said: You know nothing about me you strange person. The meat and dairy industries are both pretty barbaric and are in need of reform. Long term, our consumption of meat and dairy is probably unsustainable and we will need to find alternatives. Halal meat is pretty barbaric too, but likely only gets more of a spotlight shone on it because it's alien and unfamiliar. Also, what is this class war you're on about? You realise I'm a doctor, a profession historically considered to be amongst the uppe middle classes? You realise I'd almost certainly be financially better off under years of Conservative rule and if they fully privatise the NHS? I just happen to not think running millions of other people into the ground to benefit myself is right. Not sure what I've been saying makes me a strange person and you know nothing about me pal. What I have been indicating in my posts is I personally have an issue with fox hunting and don't like it, but not for the class warfare you obviously wage (the real reason you think it shouldn't happen). Perhaps if the fox had its throat slit like halal meat most virtue signalling lefty's like you would have to accept it yes? However, those partaking in fox hunting come from a much more desirable target to vilify, than those who practise Halah meat preparation. Both are wrong in the modern U.K, but as one represents a religious connection and not just cultural, it goes ahead swept under the carpet. Anyway, as soon as you've revealed your a doctor it all makes sense. Your profession is naturally full of left leaning liberals and you almost certainly despise the Conservatives from sufficent university brain washing and your subsequent career environment. Enough said really....
Bryn Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 1 minute ago, Dirkster the Fox said: Not sure what I've been saying makes me a strange person and you know nothing about me pal. What I have been indicating in my posts is I personally have an issue with fox hunting and don't like it, but not for the class warfare you obviously wage (the real reason you think it shouldn't happen). Perhaps if the fox had its throat slit like halal meat most virtue signalling lefty's like you would have to accept it yes? However, those partaking in fox hunting come from a much more desirable target to vilify, than those who practise Halah meat preparation. Both are wrong in the modern U.K, but as one represents a religious connection and not just cultural, it goes ahead swept under the carpet. Anyway, as soon as you've revealed your a doctor it all makes sense. Your profession is naturally full of left leaning liberals and you almost certainly despise the Conservatives from sufficent university brain washing and your subsequent career environment. Enough said really.... I don't know what you're on about so will stop discussing with you. You don't appear to actually read what anyone else says.
Nick Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 3 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said: Not sure what I've been saying makes me a strange person and you know nothing about me pal. What I have been indicating in my posts is I personally have an issue with fox hunting and don't like it, but not for the class warfare you obviously wage (the real reason you think it shouldn't happen). Perhaps if the fox had its throat slit like halal meat most virtue signalling lefty's like you would have to accept it yes? However, those partaking in fox hunting come from a much more desirable target to vilify, than those who practise Halah meat preparation. Both are wrong in the modern U.K, but as one represents a religious connection and not just cultural, it goes ahead swept under the carpet. Anyway, as soon as you've revealed your a doctor it all makes sense. Your profession is naturally full of left leaning liberals and you almost certainly despise the Conservatives from sufficent university brain washing and your subsequent career environment. Enough said really.... Careful not to make yourself look ridiculous buddy.
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 7 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: Careful not to make yourself look ridiculous buddy. Just because you might not agree with my point(s) doesn't make my point(s) ridiculous. I guess if my posts were actually read, ridiculous they are not.
Nick Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 9 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said: Just because you might not agree with my point(s) doesn't make my point(s) ridiculous. I guess if my posts were actually read, ridiculous they are not. You can't write stuff in your last paragraph blanket stereotyping entire professions, political persuasions, and graduates of higher education and expect to be taken seriously. You may have good points but you need to learn to get them over without the childish ignorance. And as an aside learn how slaughterhouses work in relation to halal meat - I think you are imagining a goat a post and a blade....
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 15 minutes ago, Bryn said: I don't know what you're on about so will stop discussing with you. You don't appear to actually read what anyone else says. Ok to spell my point out. A lot (not all) who don't like fox hunting is actually because they feel it's conservative voting toffs probably doing it and as a townie they can do the virtue signalling against it from the comfort of the nearest mcdonalds. In reality they don't actually really care the fox dies as it doesn't affect them in any way, just the whole process is undertaken by those naturally loathed and it is they who are the real target for their feeling of anger. So it's a class thing, not about the fox. Does that help, with my point?
Bryn Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 An animal is chased until its terrified and physically unable to run anymore and is then torn apart. That's why it should be illegal. The scandalous fact that it's continued to happen whilst being illegal and the fact that it's even being discussed when there are far more pressing matters are separate issues in their own right, but the law should stand because the practice is unnecessarily cruel.
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 5 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: You can't write stuff in your last paragraph blanket stereotyping entire professions, political persuasions, and graduates of higher education and expect to be taken seriously. You may have good points but you need to learn to get them over without the childish ignorance. And as an aside learn how slaughterhouses work in relation to halal meat - I think you are imagining a goat a post and a blade.... The throat is slit and they bleed to death. Yes? Have I mentioned a goat, a post or a knife? Also he brought up his profession (not I) to try and somehow argue a Class positioning countering what is obviously a dislike of those who partake in fox hunting. I would also wager my synopsis of those in his profession and their political stand point is about spot on. I will agree with you and stand corrected on the sweeping point about all those attending university. Not all are brainwashed or leave politically left leaning.
Bryn Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 My point was that I don't really believe in a class system, fwiw.
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 4 minutes ago, Bryn said: An animal is chased until its terrified and physically unable to run anymore and is then torn apart. That's why it should be illegal. The scandalous fact that it's continued to happen whilst being illegal and the fact that it's even being discussed when there are far more pressing matters are separate issues in their own right, but the law should stand because the practice is unnecessarily cruel. 100% agree. However, if you read my very first reply last night my point is another person on here said a) the tories were going to bring it back and b) his vote would now change. My post was to question a) the fact it's merely a free vote and many MPs could vote NO and the matter would be closed. So in fact they are not bringing it back, just opening the debate again as many do lobby for this. B) I fully agree, surely much more pressing matters should decide ones vote, society/economy/world affairs and so on. This was my point. It then descends into the class points in latter posts. I personally get that countryside folk have their cultural processes and wouldn't have any problem if the fox could be culled in a better way. I am frustrated than many don't actually really care about the Foxes way of dying, just hate those who do it more.
leicsmac Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 10 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said: 100% agree. However, if you read my very first reply last night my point is another person on here said a) the tories were going to bring it back and b) his vote would now change. My post was to question a) the fact it's merely a free vote and many MPs could vote NO and the matter would be closed. So in fact they are not bringing it back, just opening the debate again as many do lobby for this. B) I fully agree, surely much more pressing matters should decide ones vote, society/economy/world affairs and so on. This was my point. It then descends into the class points in latter posts. I personally get that countryside folk have their cultural processes and wouldn't have any problem if the fox could be culled in a better way. I am frustrated than many don't actually really care about the Foxes way of dying, just hate those who do it more. 3 The foxes can be culled in a better, swifter, more painless way than chasing it for miles and then tearing its head off. That's the point most against it are making. If it's trespassing on your property, use a shotgun (and if you're not a good enough shot, get good enough or hire someone who is). If it's a livelihood thing, do scent-only based hunts. I agree that there are people using this as a class issue, but that shouldn't distract from the good reasons that this debate really shouldn't be on the table again at all.
Nick Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 29 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said: The throat is slit and they bleed to death. Yes? Have I mentioned a goat, a post or a knife? Also he brought up his profession (not I) to try and somehow argue a Class positioning countering what is obviously a dislike of those who partake in fox hunting. I would also wager my synopsis of those in his profession and their political stand point is about spot on. I will agree with you and stand corrected on the sweeping point about all those attending university. Not all are brainwashed or leave politically left leaning. In U.K. Slaughterhouses in the main they are stunned first - makes no real odds what happens after that. It's a poor comparative analogy.
Dr The Singh Posted 13 May 2017 Posted 13 May 2017 1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said: In U.K. Slaughterhouses in the main they are stunned first - makes no real odds what happens after that. It's a poor comparative analogy. Quite glad it's banned in Denmark and other nations, its barbaric and should be banned.
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