Guest Kopfkino Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 13 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: Chancellor Philip Hammond just announced £3bn of new spending to prepare Britain for exit, with thousands of new civil servants for customs and regulatory agencies, on top of £700m already spent. Let's give it to the NHS instead. You do realise you're setting yourself up for a fall. It doesnt matter who is in government but as soon as 350m a week is in the NHS, it will be used as a political point to say look at us funding the NHS (it will be the easiest political points ever) and will therefore also be used by Brexiteers as a look we told you so. Of course this assumes that nobody will have had the guts to actually sort out our healthcare system properly. I still hold out hope.
Strokes Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 6 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: That's what I thought. Sure russian and german, thats quite the mix.
Fox Ulike Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 2 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: You do realise you're setting yourself up for a fall. It doesnt matter who is in government but as soon as 350m a week is in the NHS, it will be used as a political point to say look at us funding the NHS (it will be the easiest political points ever) and will therefore also be used by Brexiteers as a look we told you so. Of course this assumes that nobody will have had the guts to actually sort out our healthcare system properly. I still hold out hope. That will be great. When's it happening? I would happily accept being told "I told you so" by Brexiteers.
Guest Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 15 minutes ago, Strokes said: On to the battle bus already, crikey the merrygo round is fast today, glad i decided to not get on. Yes, it is much easier to focus on the ones already discussed rather than deal with each and every falsehood of the vote leave campaign. Remain predicted a number of things that didn't happen, although our overall economic position.is clearly significantly worse now than 18 months ago. I can admit that, can you admit the various follies of the leave campaign's main participants?
Guest Kopfkino Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: That will be great. When's it happening? I would happily accept being told "I told you so" by Brexiteers. No idea, don't care. But there will come a point that the NHS will have 350m extra a week than 2016 and it will be played upon by whoever does it, whether it's due to Brexit savings or not
Strokes Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Yes, it is much easier to focus on the ones already discussed rather than deal with each and every falsehood of the vote leave campaign. Remain predicted a number of things that didn't happen, although our overall economic position.is clearly significantly worse now than 18 months ago. I can admit that, can you admit the various follies of the leave campaign's main participants? Na
Guest Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 Just now, Kopfkino said: No idea, don't care. But there will come a point that the NHS will have 350m extra a week than 2016 and it will be played upon by whoever does it, whether it's due to Brexit savings or not Depends how far off it is. It's about £18bil a year so a few years away at the moment. As you say, it will happen without Brexit money but if the Tories can get there before the next election they'll definitely try to use it. Not sure they have much political capital left to gain on the NHS though.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Yes, it is much easier to focus on the ones already discussed rather than deal with each and every falsehood of the vote leave campaign. Remain predicted a number of things that didn't happen, although our overall economic position.is clearly significantly worse now than 18 months ago. I can admit that, can you admit the various follies of the leave campaign's main participants? Yes there was falsehoods. What do you gain from that admittance? It's genuinely laughable that remainers still bang on about a campaign they lost 18 months ago.
Fox Ulike Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 Just now, Kopfkino said: No idea, don't care. But there will come a point that the NHS will have 350m extra a week than 2016 and it will be played upon by whoever does it, whether it's due to Brexit savings or not Groan. Tell Strokes he will love that one. "Let's fund the NHS instead (in 2090)."
Guest Kopfkino Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Depends how far off it is. It's about £18bil a year so a few years away at the moment. As you say, it will happen without Brexit money but if the Tories can get there before the next election they'll definitely try to use it. Not sure they have much political capital left to gain on the NHS though. There's a ton of it to be had. Probably not on arbitrary funding figures but there's a lot of political capital available to someone for making fit for purpose.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 18 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: That's what I thought. You lefties always bring this up. I am confident that this was published with 100% good intentions, and I am equally certain that the current owner, the billionaire 4th Viscount Rothermere holds the interests of my family and I close to his heart 1
Strokes Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 1 minute ago, Fox Ulike said: Groan. Tell Strokes he will love that one. "Let's fund the NHS instead (in 2090)." Id rather let the private sector run it, than throw any more money at that white elephant.
Fox Ulike Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 2 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: Yes there was falsehoods. What do you gain from that admittance? It's genuinely laughable that remainers still bang on about a campaign they lost 18 months ago. Is it? You read this and go "a-ha-ha-ha". Falsehoods don't go out-of-date. It's a politics thread mate. We're just here to chew the fat about political issues so the fact that it was so long ago as 18 months really has no relevance. We're here to debate politics - not just repeat the propaganda from either side.
Fox Ulike Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: You lefties always bring this up. I am confident that this was published with 100% good intentions, and I am equally certain that the current owner, the billionaire 4th Viscount Rothermere holds the interests of my family and I close to his heart I guess so. It was 1934. I'm sure fascism seemed like a great idea at the time. Who could possibly tell that it would end so badly?
Guest Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: Id rather let the private sector run it, than throw any more money at that white elephant. Spending on health in the UK is a lower proportion of expenditure than many similar countries. The US has the costliest healthcare system in the world. This is the difference between public vs private.
Strokes Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 1 minute ago, Fox Ulike said: Is it? You read this and go "a-ha-ha-ha". Falsehoods don't go out-of-date. It's a politics thread mate. We're just here to chew the fat about political issues so the fact that it was so long ago as 18 months really has no relevance. We're here to debate politics - not just repeat the propaganda from either side. You've been fishing all morning and you are the first to bite. Top stuff @Kopfkino bravo.
Strokes Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: Spending on health in the UK is a lower proportion of expenditure than many similar countries. The US has the costliest healthcare system in the world. This is the difference between public vs private. Exactly.
Fox Ulike Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 9 minutes ago, Strokes said: Id rather let the private sector run it, than throw any more money at that white elephant. Out of interest, which other public services do you think should be privatised?
Strokes Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 6 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: I guess so. It was 1934. I'm sure fascism seemed like a great idea at the time. Who could possibly tell that it would end so badly? A bit awkward a Labour/Corbyn supporter bringing up nazis. Its alright we know its ony a small minority of you that hate jews.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: Is it? You read this and go "a-ha-ha-ha". Falsehoods don't go out-of-date. It's a politics thread mate. We're just here to chew the fat about political issues so the fact that it was so long ago as 18 months really has no relevance. We're here to debate politics - not just repeat the propaganda from either side. I genuinely do find it amusing, I actually can't take it seriously anymore. Yeah it would be great if you were capable of debate, but you trot out the same things every time. You bang on about a bus ffs despite there being 18 months of stuff since. And all that happens is the other side brings up the Treasury's blatant lies based on what it knew to be flawed-modelling. Edited 6 December 2017 by Kopfkino
Bellend Sebastian Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 6 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: I guess so. It was 1934. I'm sure fascism seemed like a great idea at the time. Who could possibly tell that it would end so badly? It could've been better, deffo. On a lighter note, as well as his five strapping and probably not inbred children from his marriage, I read this morning that Viscount Rothermere has a child from a 'previous relationship'. I just hope Paul Dacre hasn't read his boss's Wikipedia page
Strokes Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 1 minute ago, Fox Ulike said: Out of interest, which other public services do you think should be privatised? None really, i wouldnt totally privatise the NHS but i would let some private companies run some hospitals. A bit like they do in utopia/sweden.
Fox Ulike Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 9 minutes ago, Strokes said: None really, i wouldnt totally privatise the NHS but i would let some private companies run some hospitals. A bit like they do in utopia/sweden. Yeah I'm not actually against that. The problem though as always is what do you do when some drunk fcukwit turns up with a life-threatening injury and no insurance?
Fox Ulike Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 14 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: It could've been better, deffo. On a lighter note, as well as his five strapping and probably not inbred children from his marriage, I read this morning that Viscount Rothermere has a child from a 'previous relationship'. I just hope Paul Dacre hasn't read his boss's Wikipedia page Ahhh good old Viscount Rothermere. He deserves every penny of the enormous fortune that he secrets in his off-shore tax havens.
Strokes Posted 6 December 2017 Posted 6 December 2017 1 minute ago, Fox Ulike said: Yeah I'm not actually against that. The problem though as always is what do you do when some drunk fcukwit turns up with a life-threatening injury and no insurance? Those people should be prime for medical trials, or make them wash the dishes for a week in the restaurant.
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