Buce Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: Better question, what should vote no deal campaign have as their battle bus slogan? How about this:
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, Buce said: How about this: Is she polish?
Buce Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Just now, Strokes said: Is she polish? Dunno, but I wouldn't mind rubbing her on my furniture... 1
Buce Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 6 minutes ago, MattP said: If they know we are doing that the EU would make sure we got absolutely shafted to try and force us to stay. Parliament is the final voice on this and I'm sure they'll vote for what we've got. Both party leaders now want to leave the EU as well (although for different reasons) and both parties stood on manifestos to leave. If people wanted to reverse the result they had the chance in June to do so by voting Green or Lib Dem. I know we won't agree, but I think the electorate should have a vote on whether to ratify the decision to leave once the exact consequences of doing so are clear. 1
Webbo Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 18 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Cant help but think if they’d have just honoured the bus pledge from the start, all of this would have been a lot easier. a) Who are" they"? The leave campaign are not the govt so they have no power. b) There won't be any money until after we've left so how could they do it yet?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Try as I might I just cannot tell if this is the red, white and blue Brexit that I've been holding out for 1
Lionator Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 All this further proves is that it was absolutely bonkers to give this vote to the public given the complexities surrounding the subject matter. 1
bovril Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 16 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: Try as I might I just cannot tell if this is the red, white and blue Brexit that I've been holding out for Andrex Brexit. Soft and very long. 1 1
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, MattP said: I bet Foster agreed to this originally and then was lent on, I can't for minute believe May went with this to Juncker without consulting her. 2 hours ago, MattP said: Absolutely no chance. The Tories aren't going to vote for an election when they are behind in the polls. The whole thing is a mess. May needs to decide what she thinks is right (admittedly I wouldn't be saying this if she wasn't clearly going for the softest possible Brexit) and ignore the dup. Brexit is bigger than party politics. Let's be honest, she isn't going to be going down as a top notch tory prime minister so she might a well try to leave something behind that saves her future image. What's the point of being in government if the dup call the shots? 2 hours ago, Strokes said: How many Tory rebels are in the cross party quisling group? We could certainly see a leadership challenge in the next few weeks. About 15-20 quislings. Around 35-40 rabid mad dog Brexiteers. The rest are going along with Brexit but don't really want it. Edited 4 December 2017 by Guest
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Andrex Brexit. Soft and very long. And expensive. 1
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 58 minutes ago, Webbo said: a) Who are" they"? The leave campaign are not the govt so they have no power. b) There won't be any money until after we've left so how could they do it yet? You think there'll be money after we've left?
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 10 minutes ago, bovril said: Andrex Brexit. Soft and very long. ............ and better flushed away without looking?
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: You think there'll be money after we've left? Well there isn’t any now, so we won’t have less
Webbo Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: You think there'll be money after we've left? If its 2.5 billion a year there'll be 7 to 8 billion left over from what we pay now.
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 hour ago, Buce said: I know we won't agree, but I think the electorate should have a vote on whether to ratify the decision to leave once the exact consequences of doing so are clear. Matt etc won't agree because it risks the Brexit they've hoped for over years. However, it is clear that both sides over inflated their claims. We have seen the start of economic problems caused by Brexit and we have seen this whole thing is far more complex than anybody talked about. I genuinely think that the impact assessments should be given to the public once a deal is agreed. They will contain the information that should have been available prior to the vote.
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: If its 2.5 billion a year there'll be 7 to 8 billion left over from what we pay now. So you've happy to keep the deficit then? As that's more than the £7/8b (I am by the way).
Webbo Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 We had impact assessments by the same people before the vote and they turned out to be bullshit. Why would anyone believe them now?
Webbo Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: So you've happy to keep the deficit then? As that's more than the £7/8b (I am by the way). What are you talking about?
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Just now, Webbo said: What are you talking about? You're saying if we save £7/8b by leaving the EU we had spend it. I'm just pointing out that the deficit is still more than that amount. So you're happy to spend rather than reduce the deficit.
Webbo Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Just now, toddybad said: You're saying if we save £7/8b by leaving the EU we had spend it. I'm just pointing out that the deficit is still more than that amount. So you're happy to spend rather than reduce the deficit. Me personally? I'd rather we cut the deficit but I was just pointing out we can't give the NHS the money we've saved until we've actually started saving it.
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: We had impact assessments by the same people before the vote and they turned out to be bullshit. Why would anyone believe them now? Some of the claims were over egged - immediate job losses etc. Some of them we're seeing come true - going from top of g7 growth to bottom, immediate fall in the pound, inflation growth due to fall in pound, wages falling in real terms due to the rise in inflation.....
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Just now, Webbo said: Me personally? I'd rather we cut the deficit but I was just pointing out we can't give the NHS the money we've saved until we've actually started saving it. Only because you're economically illiterate. Prize to the first person to mention my gdp post
Webbo Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Some of the claims were over egged - immediate job losses etc. Some of them we're seeing come true - going from top of g7 growth to bottom, immediate fall in the pound, inflation growth due to fall in pound, wages falling in real terms due to the rise in inflation..... We were told wed be in recession not that we have slow growth.
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: We were told wed be in recession not that we have slow growth. True. But slowing growth is a step on the way there isn't it? Tories need to call Arlene foster out publicly and challenge her to come up with a plan for the Irish border. She wants Brexit despite n. Ireland voting overwhelming remain and has sabataged her people's chance of a soft border and regulatory equivalence.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Just now, toddybad said: True. But slowing growth is a step on the way there isn't it? Tories need to call Arlene foster out publicly and challenge her to come up with a plan for the Irish border. She wants Brexit despite n. Ireland voting overwhelming remain and has sabataged her people's chance of a soft border and regulatory equivalence. She merely needs to refer to the government's own position papers, talk about Switzerland and she's there. The EU have played a blinder by politically gaming a non-issue.
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