Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

[Guest Foxin_mad]

41 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I know we all like to bash Labour and the left on here but we can’t be genuine when we claim this problem is nothing to do with the conservatives cuts and then say the solution is education can we?

These sure start centres were vital in educating parents from impoverished backgrounds and really this is a symptom of their reduced numbers, if we are honest.

I agree with this actually. Thing is the local authorities often decided to close Surestart centres as I believe they were the ones that funded them, they were not directly funded. Local authorities made the decisions on their budgets, there are many vanity projects still running by Labour, Tory and Lib Dem councils up and down the country. I believe that local authorities are an absolute shambles, the management of these organisations is self preserving and will often cut key services to protect their ivory towers.

 

Education is key, there are Children's charities that do this at inner city schools across the country. There needs to be more, Surestart was one of Labours better projects of the last government.

Edited 13 December 2017 by Foxin_mad

[Fox Ulike]

3 minutes ago, toddybad said:

If we lower the payments on benefits we won't need to tax the rich as much ???

Seems fair ?

It's a good point.

 

In fact, if we remove all benefits altogether then we'll be able to give each British child a full English every school morning; and we won't even need those lovely billionaires to dip into their Caymen Island accounts, which as we know, would cause the economy to immediately explode into flames.

 

This is "a long-term solution that tackles the problem."

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

I agree with this actually. Thing is the local authorities often decided to close Surestart centres as I believe they were the ones that funded them, they were not directly funded. Local authorities made the decisions on their budgets, their are many vanity projects still running by Labour, Tory and Lib Dem councils up and down the country. I believe that local authorities are an absolute shambles, the management of these organisations is self preserving and will often cut key services to protect their ivory towers.

 

Education is key, there are Children's charities that do this at inner city schools across the country. There needs to be more, Surestart was one of Labours better projects of the last government.

Local authority funding had been cut by absolutely massive amounts. You really are a complete bag of shit.

 

 

Edit. Yes, this is definitely proof of me being a very nasty leftie.

 

Edited 13 December 2017 by Guest

[Webbo]

6 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said:

Fine by me.

 

My preference would be the billionaires hiding their enormous wealth overseas - but I suppose that lowering payments to people on benefits still works.

Well this govt have succeeded in reducing tax avoidance/evasion so you should be pleased to support them. Blaming the rich because of other people's bad parenting doesn't solve anything though.

[Guest]

Just now, Fox Ulike said:

It's a good point.

 

In fact, if we remove all benefits altogether then we'll be able to give each British child a full English every school morning; and we won't even need those lovely billionaires to dip into their Caymen Island accounts, which as we know, would cause the economy to immediately explode into flames.

 

This is "a long-term solution that tackles the problem."

It could be the solution.

Let the poor starve then the rich can just get on with having good lives.

Though who'd do any actual work to keep the country running I'm not sure......

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Well this govt have succeeded in reducing tax avoidance/evasion so you should be pleased to support them. Blaming the rich because of other people's bad parenting doesn't solve anything though.

And how exactly have you measured how much tax has been avoided?

[Webbo]

Just now, toddybad said:

And how exactly have you measured how much tax has been avoided?

I suppose the same way you do.

[Fox Ulike]

1 minute ago, toddybad said:

It could be the solution.

Let the poor starve then the rich can just get on with having good lives.

Though who'd do any actual work to keep the country running I'm not sure......

All the robots obviously.

 

Keep up!

[Guest Foxin_mad]

Just now, toddybad said:

Local authority funding had been cut by absolutely massive amounts. You really are a complete bag of shit.

 

Local Authorities are still wasting money on other projects.

 

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/war_on_waste

 

Bad day?

 

I do love left wingers they are such lovely people!

[Fox Ulike]

Just now, Webbo said:

I suppose the same way you do.

Did you make it up off the top of your head?

[Guest]

Just now, Webbo said:

I suppose the same way you do.

Well I don't so I presume you'd agree your last point was pointless.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

I'm sceptical about the effectiveness of education. We're all educated about smoking, unprotected sex, drinking, exercise and eating the wrong foods and yet all the problems associated with that bad behaviour are not noticeably decreasing. Until there are consequences for their faults then some people will never change.

So in this instance the schools are just to let the children starve because they have bad parents? It's not the kids' fault at the end of the day, and if there's money to feed them, they should be fed by someone.

[Webbo]

Just now, toddybad said:

Well I don't so I presume you'd agree your last point was pointless.

Hang on you're telling us there are people starving because billionaires are avoiding tax? How exactly do you measure how much tax has been avoided?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Foxin_mad said:

Local Authorities are still wasting money on other projects.

 

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/war_on_waste

 

Bad day?

 

I do love left wingers they are such lovely people!

Aren't we just. All that caring about society makes us such a bunch of plebs.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

8 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said:

To be fair, I don't think that I care about other people's hungry children more than anybody else on here.

 

I just think that, in 2017, the Government should be able to just solve problems like child poverty without us having to have a big debate about it.

 

For me, this is the Government's basic day-to-day job. This is why we have a Government.

No its not the governments job to look after other peoples children.

 

If people can not look after children then they should not have them.

 

You can not keep spending more and more of other peoples money because some people are feckless.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Voll Blau said:

So in this instance the schools are just to let the children starve because they have bad parents? It's not the kids' fault at the end of the day, and if there's money to feed them, they should be fed by someone.

So just let the parents off with their responsibilities?

[Fox Ulike]

5 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Well this govt have succeeded in reducing tax avoidance/evasion so you should be pleased to support them. Blaming the rich because of other people's bad parenting doesn't solve anything though.

I'm actually blaming them for taking billions of pounds out of the UK economy.

 

Do you have a source for your comment about the Govt reducing tax avoidance.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

2 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

So in this instance the schools are just to let the children starve because they have bad parents? It's not the kids' fault at the end of the day, and if there's money to feed them, they should be fed by someone.

They are not going to STARVE though are they. A worst case scenario is they will be on free school meals so they will get a good meal each day at lunch. Whilst not ideal that will prevent them from actually starving.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Hang on you're telling us there are people starving because billionaires are avoiding tax? How exactly do you measure how much tax has been avoided?

When did I say that?

I'm the one constantly telling you that raising the corporation tax a few percent to still below comparative countries won't have everybody evade tax more than they already do.

[Fox Ulike]

1 minute ago, Foxin_mad said:

No its not the governments job to look after other peoples children.

 

If people can not look after children then they should not have them.

 

You can not keep spending more and more of other peoples money because some people are feckless.

What is the Government's job then?

[Guest]

Just now, Foxin_mad said:

They are not going to STARVE though are they. A worst case scenario is they will be on free school meals so they will get a good meal each day at lunch. Whilst not ideal that will prevent them from actually starving.

So you ARE advocating schools feeding hungry kids then 

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Fox Ulike said:

I'm actually blaming them for taking billions of pounds out of the UK economy.

 

Do you have a source for your comment about the Govt reducing tax avoidance.

I'm on a tablet ATM, I couldn't quote if I could find the source.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

1 minute ago, toddybad said:

So you ARE advocating schools feeding hungry kids then 

The already do! Free school meals and all.

 

I am saying they shouldn't get Breakfast, Lunch and Tea its not a 3* hotel!

Edited 13 December 2017 by Foxin_mad

[Fox Ulike]

1 minute ago, Foxin_mad said:

They are not going to STARVE though are they. A worst case scenario is they will be on free school meals so they will get a good meal each day at lunch. Whilst not ideal that will prevent them from actually starving.

Are they allowed to drink water in the morning? Or should they wait until they get home?

 

 

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, toddybad said:

When did I say that?

I'm the one constantly telling you that raising the corporation tax a few percent to still below comparative countries won't have everybody evade tax more than they already do.

You're right it was foxulike making that fatuous point. I apologise.