Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

[Kopfkino]

22 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Now again I find it funny to read the remain posts on here saying business will desert Britain because of Brexit (I believe if it makes us less competitive this could be true) but they support Corybn a mad socialist and say that increasing tax wont cause business and individuals to move abroad. Both have the potential to cause a business and jobs exodus. A Labour government is certainly not in the interests of the many in work if they wish to keep their jobs.

 

It is an interesting paradox.

 

[katieakita]

34 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said:

Jesus wept that's poor.

 

Who on Earth funds these clowns? How do Momentum get their money?

The CWU by the look of things, they have saved a few quid by not funding the legal action against the government owned Post Office to deal with the corruption the Tories have not been unable to address at the Post Office. Luckily Tory MP's p1ssed at the governments inability to deal with the corruption at the Post Office found funding to underwrite  this GLO Civil action from party donors in the City and we are talking of millions in hundreds not tens to take this answers to nobody government owned company to court.

[Fox Ulike]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

So if the parents are too lazy to make kids breakfast giving them more money will stop that?

 

I don't even think this is a big problem. We're in the middle of an obesity epidemic, which is ironically often blamed on austerity.

Why are you giving them more money?!! That's an absurd idea.

 

The breakfasts at the school in the ITV report cost 10p each.  I take it you've not actually bothered to view the ITV report - given that you already know what you think about it before you've even seen it!  

 

I would give the schools more money to ensure that such children didn't go hungry. To fund this I would probably do something about the billions of pounds of tax evasion that leaves the UK economy every year.

 

I agree it's probably not a 'big problem'. So why on Earth don't we do something about it??

 

It's not rocket science.

 

 

 

[Guest MattP]

8 minutes ago, Webbo said:

So if the parents are too lazy to make kids breakfast giving them more money will stop that?

 

I don't even think this is a big problem. We're in the middle of an obesity epidemic, which is ironically often blamed on austerity.

Amazing isn't it?

 

One in four nurses are obese as well according to a report last week, maybe they should give some of their grub to the ones going to food banks.

 

I still have no idea when it became normal to expect the government rather than parents to make sure children got breakfast.

Edited 13 December 2017 by MattP

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Fox Ulike said:

Why are you giving them more money?!! That's an absurd idea.

 

The breakfasts at the school in the ITV report cost 10p each.  I take it you've not actually bothered to view the ITV report - given that you already know what you think about it before you've even seen it!  

 

I would give the schools more money to ensure that such children didn't go hungry. To fund this I would probably do something about the billions of pounds of tax evasion that leaves the UK economy every year.

 

I agree it's probably not a 'big problem'. So why on Earth don't we do something about it??

 

It's not rocket science.

 

 

 

Why do we give people benefits if we don't expect them to feed their own children? How much does a box of cornflakes cost?

 

While people are constantly making excuses for bad parents and pretending that their selfishness makes them victims this problem is only going to make things worse.

[Fox Ulike]

2 minutes ago, MattP said:

Amazing isn't it?

 

One in four nurses are obese as well according to a report last week, maybe they should give some of their grub to the ones going to food banks.

 

I still have no idea when it became normal to expect the government rather than parents to make sure children got breakfast.

it was when they turned up to school having not been fed.

 

You know, I think the biggest difference between left- and right-wingers isn't actually ideology. "Right-wingers" just seem to lack any real ability to tackle a problem that's in front of them.

 

A left-winger sees a hungry child: Let's feed it.

 

A right-winger sees a hungry child: Let's blame the parent.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

14 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said:

Do you have children!!?

 

But OK, you'd just tell them to wait until lunch time. Every day. 

 

Fine.

Yes and I always make sure they are fed a good breakfast and good meals, its a priority even if I don't eat.

 

At the end of the day I am not sure the tax payer should be expected to fund on a mass scale the selfish parenting of others.

 

These people should be educated, I question whether they should have children in the first place; but in the event they do they should be taught how to look after them properly. Trouble is some of the young mums and dads are more interested in pouting into their iPhone and updating their Instagram than actually interacting with and looking after their children.

[Strokes]

7 minutes ago, MattP said:

Amazing isn't it?

 

One in four nurses are obese as well according to a report last week, maybe they should give some if their grub to the ones going to food banks.

 

I still have no idea when it became normal to expect the government rather than parents to make sure children got breakfast.

I’m on my way home to tell my fat wife to stop nicking the kids breakfast and to put them in some clean clothes.

[Fox Ulike]

3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Why do we give people benefits if we don't expect them to feed their own children? How much does a box of cornflakes cost?

 

While people are constantly making excuses for bad parents and pretending that their selfishness makes them victims this problem is only going to make things worse.

Great. I'll tell all the hungry five-year-olds that feeding them "is only going to make things worse".

 

[Fox Ulike]

1 minute ago, Foxin_mad said:

Yes and I always make sure they are fed a good breakfast and good meals, its a priority even if I don't eat.

 

At the end of the day I am not sure the tax payer should be expected to fund on a mass scale the selfish parenting of others.

 

These people should be educated, I question whether they should have children in the first place; but in the event they do they should be taught how to look after them properly. Trouble is some of the young mums and dads are more interested in pouting into their iPhone and updating their Instagram than actually interacting with and looking after their children.

Absolutely. Could not agree more. We should not.

 

Soooo. "Just don't eat until lunch."

[Innovindil]

Just now, Fox Ulike said:

Absolutely. Could not agree more. We should not.

 

Soooo. "Just don't eat until lunch."

Nowt wrong with that. I don't eat until lunch. 

[Webbo]

Just now, Fox Ulike said:

Great. I'll tell all the hungry five-year-olds that feeding them "is only going to make things worse".

 

How about we take the money spent on feeding these kids out of their parents benefits?

[Guest Foxin_mad]

16 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said:

it was when they turned up to school having not been fed.

 

You know, I think the biggest difference between left- and right-wingers isn't actually ideology. "Right-wingers" just seem to lack any real ability to tackle a problem that's in front of them.

 

A left-winger sees a hungry child: Let's feed it.

 

A right-winger sees a hungry child: Let's blame the parent.

Your not solving the problem though are you. You are looking at a quick fix that will have no impact and will only serve to make people more dependant on the state. If someone else's child is getting free food at school because they can not be arsed to feed them is that not going to cause more people to think well I might as well do that? Its a cheap sticky plaster on a war wound.

 

What we actually need to do is make people better parents. There is some horrifically bad parenting in some inner city schools. I have seen it first hand, I have volunteered with a charity trying to help them break out of the cycle. We run sessions on how to produce cheap meals and how to communicate with a child. This has an impact on some of the parents who really do change for the better and its rewarding for those few! There are a couple of parents I have now worked with and trained to run the courses independently.  Unfortunately I have to say 75% of those that attend will barely spend 1 minute not checking their phone. Therein lies the problem! some parents actually do not give a toss.

 

The real difference between right and left:

 

Left Winger - Hungry child - oh his parents must be sooooo poor, they must work for a nasty rich man on a zero hour contract and use a food bank, poor child oh no its so bad, the country is collapsing, the services are closing we are all in poverty, the country is on its knees, oh no oh no, lets just throw some more money at it and hope it goes away. Evil Tory Scum, death to the *****, the nasty rich bastards have caused all of this! The poor child! Corbyn for the many not the few! Oh no the world is ending its terrible lets moan some more- TORY SCUM - DEATH  TO TORIES

 

Right Winger - lets tackle the problem and find a long term solution.

Edited 13 December 2017 by Foxin_mad

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Strokes said:

What happened to the breakfast programme that was going to be introduced into schools? I thought they were replacing that with the free school meals.

That got scrapped along with the rest of the manifesto. Don't get me started on government's that win power then ignore the promises they made (even if I don't like them).

[Strokes]

I know we all like to bash Labour and the left on here but we can’t be genuine when we claim this problem is nothing to do with the conservatives cuts and then say the solution is education can we?

These sure start centres were vital in educating parents from impoverished backgrounds and really this is a symptom of their reduced numbers, if we are honest.

[Fox Ulike]

5 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Your not solving the problem though are you. You are looking at a quick fix that will have no impact and will only serve to make people more dependant on the state. If someone else's child is getting free food at school because they can not be arsed to feed them is that not going to cause more people to think well I might as well do that? Its a cheap sticky plaster on a war wound.

 

What we actually need to do is make people better parents. There is some horrifically bad parenting in some inner city schools. I have seen it first hand, I have volunteered with a charity trying to help them break out of the cycle. We run sessions on how to produce cheap meals and how to communicate with a child. This has an impact on some of the parents who really do change for the better and its rewarding for those few! There are a couple of parents I have now worked with and trained to run the courses independently.  Unfortunately I have to say 75% of those that attend will barely spend 1 minute not checking their phone. Therein lies the problem!

 

The real difference between right and left:

 

Left Winger - Hungry child - oh his parents must be sooooo poor, poor child oh no its so bad, the country is collapsing, the services are closing we are all in poverty, the country is on its knees, oh no oh no, lets just throw some money at it and hope it goes away. Evil Tory Scum, death to the *****, the nasty rich bastards have caused all of this! The poor child! Corbyn for the many not the few! Oh no the world is ending its terrible lets moan some more- TORY SCUM - DEATH  TO TORIES

 

Right Winger - lets tackle the problem and find a long term solution.

 

"This child is hungry. Let's tackle the problem and find a long-term solution".

 

 Puts me in mind of the People's Front of Judea (Monthy Python)!

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

 

Look at least admit when you say people should be educated on a matter, you really mean they should be taught your version of everything.

 

I agree people need to learn what these things really are rather than what the newspapers tell them. Still, before we get to government debt, I think we need to start with GDP.

Touche. Let's just agree on a fair basic education in economics being something that should be the norm.

[Guest]

I've finally come to realise that I don't need to argue with the five ultra right wingers on here.

 

Just let then type and they throw away any pretence of the tories not being nasty without anybody else doing anything.

Edited 13 December 2017 by Guest

[Fox Ulike]

12 minutes ago, Webbo said:

How about we take the money spent on feeding these kids out of their parents benefits?

Fine by me.

 

My preference would be the billionaires hiding their enormous wealth overseas - but I suppose that lowering payments to people on benefits still works.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I know we all like to bash Labour and the left on here but we can’t be genuine when we claim this problem is nothing to do with the conservatives cuts and then say the solution is education can we?

These sure start centres were vital in educating parents from impoverished backgrounds and really this is a symptom of their reduced numbers, if we are honest.

[Guest]

Just now, Fox Ulike said:

Fine by me.

 

My preference would be the billionaires hiding their enormous wealth overseas - but I suppose that lowering payments to people on benefits still works.

If we lower the payments on benefits we won't need to tax the rich as much ???

Seems fair ?

[Fox Ulike]

2 minutes ago, toddybad said:

One finally come to realise that I don't need to argue with the five ultra right wingers on here.

 

Just let then type and they throw away any pretence of the tories not being nasty without anybody else doing anything.

To be fair, I don't think that I care about other people's hungry children more than anybody else on here.

 

I just think that, in 2017, the Government should be able to just solve problems like child poverty without us having to have a big debate about it.

 

For me, this is the Government's basic day-to-day job. This is why we have a Government.

[Webbo]

6 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I know we all like to bash Labour and the left on here but we can’t be genuine when we claim this problem is nothing to do with the conservatives cuts and then say the solution is education can we?

These sure start centres were vital in educating parents from impoverished backgrounds and really this is a symptom of their reduced numbers, if we are honest.

I'm sceptical about the effectiveness of education. We're all educated about smoking, unprotected sex, drinking, exercise and eating the wrong foods and yet all the problems associated with that bad behaviour are not noticeably decreasing. Until there are consequences for their faults then some people will never change.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, MattP said:

Amazing isn't it?

 

One in four nurses are obese as well according to a report last week, maybe they should give some of their grub to the ones going to food banks.

 

I still have no idea when it became normal to expect the government rather than parents to make sure children got breakfast.

At the point it became normal for employers to pay wages which are not enough to live on. At that point it became normal for the government to have to subsidise employers. When the government subsequently cuts benefit payments there is an obvious issue.

[fuchsntf]

17 hours ago, toddybad said:

What a load of bollocks.

Ever thought to ask your lecturers why the vast majority of economists worldwide didn't support cutting at the point an economy was starting to recover from near collapse?

 

Wasnt it these actual economists, and experts that have been getting everything wrong for the last 30+yrs. And been the Mainstay of continual miserable causic Austerity eras in modern UK history .

I have not myself had a too bad a life, but at 64, since the end of the 50's, we've been advised to

tighten our belts, austerity used in the same sentences has we have a prudent economy, has been following the UK citizens lives,   all of my life. That in 2017, struggling nurses, soup kitchens, housing and deep educational issues, Zero hr contracts have shown how past, present Politicians,

Economists, and big Business have F#^cked up, each step in modern society.

I have no party preferences...but since my childhood, there is nothing absolutely nothing, any leaders in the UK can be proud of....That we still Need in Britain So many Charities to look after the problems in our society, which govts should of prioritised and sorted years ago.

There is not a fair days pay for a fair days work, and being a 'dell boy' seems to be a  many

Workers has well as business Classes the  ideas of success.

There is a good middle-plain at all Electorate   levels, but it seems its dipped into the minority status.

You know???   The grenfell tower incident, is a good example ,just shows and is real proof of how standards and decent quality of respect of self and others, have been allowed through govt, local authority 

and business, corruption have plummeted, that mentality is rife through the whole Crap set up.

You can argue your left or right Political policies as much as you like, its been fked well before

Maggie Thatchers, then Blairs   Inglorious days.  Simple dishonesty and a blame others society.  When Brexit comes...who are you going to have to blame...

Edited 13 December 2017 by fuchsntf