Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 5 minutes ago, ealingfox said: Yep, one thing that we can all be very clear on is that when he went into the polling booth last year he put his cross next to Leave, no doubt about it. It's to his credit in some ways I guess that he wasn't truly swayed by the immense weight of circumstances. Interesting really, how each point in time is such a rich tapestry. One of the many strands which led to the Leave vote on the day. He should just be honest and start explaining to his followers why he is pro-Brexit - it's natural position for an anti-Thatcherite left winger. If he wants to implement the radical reforms he wants he'll probably have to be out the EU anyway, unless him and McDonnell want to end up in there as another Tsipras and Varoufakis.
Webbo Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 24 minutes ago, toddybad said: You say it's only guesswork but there's nothing coming the other way to counter it with a different guess is there? There's plenty but if I posted it the source would be ridiculed. You stick with your confirmation bias and I'll stick with mine. I'm bored with arguing about whether brexit is a good idea or not. Its happening and we'll find out whether its a good idea in the years to come.
Guest Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 1 hour ago, Kopfkino said: Yeah lets explain to students its their future tax payments redistributed to rich individuals and institutional investors. What a load of bollocks. Ever thought to ask your lecturers why the vast majority of economists worldwide didn't support cutting at the point an economy was starting to recover from near collapse?
Guest Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: There's plenty but if I posted it the source would be ridiculed. You stick with your confirmation bias and I'll stick with mine. I'm bored with arguing about whether brexit is a good idea or not. Its happening and we'll find out whether its a good idea in the years to come. You're ridiculed most of the time so why change the habit?
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 Just now, toddybad said: What a load of bollocks. Ever thought to ask your lecturers why the vast majority of economists worldwide didn't support cutting at the point an economy was starting to recover from near collapse? What on earth has that got to do with what you asked? Why don't you answer his question? Why is it a good idea for the poorest taxpayer to fund the wealthiest in the World's investments?
Guest Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 25 minutes ago, MattP said: I don't really get how you can be disillusioned with him? Corbyn campaigned against the common market and voted against the Maastrict and Lisbon treaties? He's a principled Eurosceptic who was bullied into a half hearted campaign to remain by his party. He's a hard Brexiteer, just for very different reasons. 19 minutes ago, ealingfox said: Yep, one thing that we can all be very clear on is that when he went into the polling booth last year he put his cross next to Leave, no doubt about it. It's to his credit in some ways I guess that he wasn't truly swayed by the immense weight of circumstances. Interesting really, how each point in time is such a rich tapestry. One of the many strands which led to the Leave vote on the day. The word is that he's been won over by young party members who are remainers. He's been anti EU all his career but the belief is that he now supports the young in their fight against a hard Brexit.
Webbo Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: The word is that he's been won over by young party members who are remainers. He's been anti EU all his career but the belief is that he now supports the young in their fight against a hard Brexit. Is that the word on the street? 1
Guest Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MattP said: What on earth has that got to do with what you asked? Why don't you answer his question? Why is it a good idea for the poorest taxpayer to fund the wealthiest in the World's investments? He didn't ask a question. Borrowing at low interest levels to facilitate expenditure that returns profit on the cost is good investment. As things stand, the Tories are sucking money out of the economy. The slightest of downgrades to future growth prior to the budget cost us £80 bil. And that's by enacting policies that have seen less and less money spent on ordinary people: short start closures, public sector pay freeze, schools begging for cash etc Borrowing £250bil and spending it on ways that create growth and money for ordinary people is vastly superior - spend it on areas that will bring about changes for ordinary people, jobs for ordinary people AND growth. The 'question' is a false dichotomy. Edited 12 December 2017 by Guest
Guest Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: Is that the word on the street? Word.
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: The word is that he's been won over by young party members who are remainers. He's been anti EU all his career but the belief is that he now supports the young in their fight against a hard Brexit.
Jon the Hat Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 When momentum turn on Corbyn it is not going to be pretty.
Webbo Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 31 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: When momentum turn on Corbyn it is not going to be pretty. It will be for some of us.
Strokes Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 34 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: When momentum turn on Corbyn it is not going to be pretty. Love is blind.
Jon the Hat Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 13 minutes ago, Webbo said: It will be for some of us. Well yes there is that!
Buce Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 11 minutes ago, Strokes said: Love is blind. Bloody good job or I'd be a virgin... 1
bovril Posted 12 December 2017 Posted 12 December 2017 3 hours ago, Webbo said: Is that the word on the street? Greece is the word.
Sampson Posted 13 December 2017 Posted 13 December 2017 12 hours ago, Lionator said: As a Corbyn 'supporter' I've become a bit disillusioned with his stance on Brexit. For all intents and purposes, he should be against it and really sabre-rattling for the removal of David Davis from his position but he's not and that and that is probably due to possible ulterior motives. He's done his job, he's got people talking about the social injustices which are taking place in this country, we now need a sharper, more polished politician to move the party forward into the next election, even if that means moving a bit closer to the centre. Won't happen though. Why for all intents and purposes should he be for it? It was always Tony Benn and the hard Left who were the anti-EU ones in the 70s and 80s. It's only been the past 15 years or so that most of the anti-EU crowd switched from the hard Left to the hard Right. Something about defeating socialism and creating a conspiracy to make sure only capitalism can be in place in Europe was always the paranoid shit Tony Benn used to trot out. It's clear as mud to anyone who listens that Corbyn and Macdonnell are still old school socialists who have been moderated by their party in which case being pro-Brexit is traditionally their natural stance. I'm surprised anyone still thinks Cornyn and Macdonnell would be anything other than pro-Brexit when they've campaigned against the EU in the past and are notorious for their stubbornness and their lack of changing their beliefs over about 40 years. I'm sure they would both happily vote out of NATO and give up our nuclear defences given half the chance with no moderation too. 1
Guest Posted 13 December 2017 Posted 13 December 2017 http://www.itv.com/news/granada/update/2017-12-12/special-report-increased-numbers-of-children-going-to-school-hungry/
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 13 December 2017 Posted 13 December 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, toddybad said: http://www.itv.com/news/granada/update/2017-12-12/special-report-increased-numbers-of-children-going-to-school-hungry/ Bet they have a curvy screen 3D Super HD TV attached to the wall and their mums and dads have iPhones/ the latest Galaxy S in hand. Its all a matter of priorities. There was record spending on Black Friday, a day that we didn't until about 5 years ago feel the need to go and buy stuff we don't need on. Bizarre! Edited 13 December 2017 by Foxin_mad
Carl the Llama Posted 13 December 2017 Posted 13 December 2017 36 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Bet they have a curvy screen 3D Super HD TV attached to the wall and their mums and dads have iPhones/ the latest Galaxy S in hand. Its all a matter of priorities. What a nonsense post. 2
Guest Posted 13 December 2017 Posted 13 December 2017 44 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Bet they have a curvy screen 3D Super HD TV attached to the wall and their mums and dads have iPhones/ the latest Galaxy S in hand. Its all a matter of priorities. There was record spending on Black Friday, a day that we didn't until about 5 years ago feel the need to go and buy stuff we don't need on. Bizarre! I don't doubt that some people let themselves down with life choices but why do you automatically assume everybody does? This is one of the things I can't stand about right wing politics - the idea that everybody at the top worked harder than everybody else, and everybody at the bottom is there through their own fault. Life isn't like that.
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2017 Posted 13 December 2017 6 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: What a nonsense post. Hyperbole maybe. But I did actually sit there other day watching a family member complaining about benefits whilst typing away on her new £650 IPhone 8. The absurdity of it didn't pass me by.
Buce Posted 13 December 2017 Posted 13 December 2017 1 hour ago, Foxin_mad said: Bet they have a curvy screen 3D Super HD TV attached to the wall and their mums and dads have iPhones/ the latest Galaxy S in hand. Its all a matter of priorities. There was record spending on Black Friday, a day that we didn't until about 5 years ago feel the need to go and buy stuff we don't need on. Bizarre! You really are the ugly side of the Nasty Party, you vile little man.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 13 December 2017 Posted 13 December 2017 16 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: What a nonsense post. As is the belief that everyone is so poor all the children are starving and the poor are dying and rotting in the streets like the Victorian era. Its complete bollocks! but it doesn't stop the left keep banging on about it for political point scoring. Yes the country is not perfect, it never will be. If you think its bad now I cant wait to see what they think when their is mass unemployment, rampant inflation because of the devalued pound if we ever get the misfortune to have a Corbyn led extreme left government. 12 minutes ago, toddybad said: I don't doubt that some people let themselves down with life choices but why do you automatically assume everybody does? This is one of the things I can't stand about right wing politics - the idea that everybody at the top worked harder than everybody else, and everybody at the bottom is there through their own fault. Life isn't like that. I didn't say everyone does. What annoys me is the bleeding heart brigade saying everyone is dying on the streets right before us, yet in reality if you go outside the majority are fine. Yes there are some families in very bad situations but not everyone is poor and desperate as the left like to make out. Those people should get genuine help absolutely. I've never said anything about people at the top working harder, some have some haven't. People at the bottom are often the hardest workers and many who work hard with the right attitude will be rewarded with the right business. The evidence is there, we are spending more than ever on a day called black Friday. Drive around the majority of large estates and you will see large TVs in at least 80% of rooms, pretty much everyone has the latest phone to go on Snapchat or Instgram - why is this? Driving around the same estates you very rarely see a car older than 10 years old, again many years ago I drove a 20 year old car it was fine. It could be that more children are going to school hungry because there are more selfish crap parents obsessed with vanity and material objects than ever maybe?!
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