Jake Livermore

[The Horse's Mouth]

Wrong, not saying I wouldn't do the same in his shoes and the **** on the other end gets exactly what he deserves. However, he is a professional and should be held at the same standards that every footballer is on the football pitch, retaliating means that fan got exactly what he wanted. Not sure what to think about the cocaine sanction either, definitely wouldn't want to have been the one who decided the ban/letting him off. I can see the argument from both sides.

[Brainy]

4 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Wrong, not saying I wouldn't do the same in his shoes and the **** on the other end gets exactly what he deserves. However, he is a professional and should be held at the same standards that every footballer is on the football pitch, retaliating means that fan got exactly what he wanted. Not sure what to think about the cocaine sanction either, definitely wouldn't want to have been the one who decided the ban/letting him off. I can see the argument from both sides.

This is Jake Livermore in question btw, not Lewis Hamilton. Not sure if this changes your opinion

[brockmyster]

10 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Wrong, not saying I wouldn't do the same in his shoes and the **** on the other end gets exactly what he deserves. However, he is a professional and should be held at the same standards that every footballer is on the football pitch, retaliating means that fan got exactly what he wanted. Not sure what to think about the cocaine sanction either, definitely wouldn't want to have been the one who decided the ban/letting him off. I can see the argument from both sides.

Seems an odd comment to me, sometimes there's things that come above football and quite frankly receiving abuse about his dead child Livermore shouldn't have to stop and think "ohh but I must act as a professional", I think sometimes people forget that footballers are still human beings at the end of the day.

[Captain...]

I won't criticise the FA in either case, it is a very difficult decision with mitigating circumstances, but he did do something wrong and it does set a precedent. I do wonder what the verdict would have been if he had punched the guy. Did we ever find out what was said to Cantona when he Kung Fu kicked the guy? Did Materazzi's comments about Zidane's family mean he shouldn't have been sent off?

 

Footballers have to be able to control themselves and face the consequences if they don't. The fact he didn't beat the crap out of him should be applauded and is an example of some restraint.

 

If I was the FA I would fine him a suitable amount, but not ban him and donate the fine to a charity that deals with coping with loss. That way he gets punished, albeit leniently, and the money, of which he has plenty, goes to something good.

[VLC86]

To suggest JL got off lightly for his failed drugs test in this scenario is very wrong in my opinion.

 

The guy had gone through probably the worst thing that anyone could imagine and reacted by turning to drugs. Football gets a lot of stick but by treating this guy as a human being who has been through something thoroughly terrible the clubs involved deserve credit.

 

He suffered enough, give the guy a break without starting a witch hunt.

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 hour ago, brockmyster said:

Seems an odd comment to me, sometimes there's things that come above football and quite frankly receiving abuse about his dead child Livermore shouldn't have to stop and think "ohh but I must act as a professional", I think sometimes people forget that footballers are still human beings at the end of the day.

Exactly, everyone is a human being and can be provoked by fans, if a player is provoked and retaliates then they are held accountable. Therefore I don't agree with holding somebody above the law in this case. I think if the incident occurred literally a week after the death, then maybe I could see why, but at the end of the day he should react the same way other professionals react and not be put on a pedestal imo

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Exactly, everyone is a human being and can be provoked by fans, if a player is provoked and retaliates then they are held accountable. Therefore I don't agree with holding somebody above the law in this case. I think if the incident occurred literally a week after the death, then maybe I could see why, but at the end of the day he should react the same way other professionals react and not be put on a pedestal imo

How do professionals react to hearing abuse about their dead child?

[foxy boxing]

the fans behaviour is just totally ignorant, Disgusting and totally unacceptable, and footballers shouldn't have to be subjected to such awful behaviour just because they are playing against a team someone supports. there is banter but anything else like obscene chanting or chanting about disasters or someone's death is totally wrong and just sheer stupidity. 

[brockmyster]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Exactly, everyone is a human being and can be provoked by fans, if a player is provoked and retaliates then they are held accountable. Therefore I don't agree with holding somebody above the law in this case. I think if the incident occurred literally a week after the death, then maybe I could see why, but at the end of the day he should react the same way other professionals react and not be put on a pedestal imo

I would imagine the vast majority of footballers would react the same way as Livermore did to be honest. I also don't think that time frame should really come into it as you have implied with your statement above, it doesn't matter when the death has occurred the reaction is surely completely warranted considering the sensitive nature of the subject at hand

[The Horse's Mouth]

45 minutes ago, brockmyster said:

I would imagine the vast majority of footballers would react the same way as Livermore did to be honest. I also don't think that time frame should really come into it as you have implied with your statement above, it doesn't matter when the death has occurred the reaction is surely completely warranted considering the sensitive nature of the subject at hand

Well, it would, a week or so after compared to a few years later he will be able to cope with it a lot better. I find it hard to believe that Billy Sharp or Harry Arter haven't received similar abuse and they have flipped a lid tbh. I'm not saying I wouldn't have done what Livermore did either, but I think when you start making exceptions for people then where does it end? Evra a few months ago attacked a fan due to racial abuse, something I completely stand by with him, but at the end of the day he broke the rules and received a ban effectively ending his career. 

[Captain...]

5 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Well, it would, a week or so after compared to a few years later he will be able to cope with it a lot better. I find it hard to believe that Billy Sharp or Harry Arter haven't received similar abuse and they have flipped a lid tbh

It doesn't matter how long ago it was, the fact some arsehole fan of another team who knows fvck all about him would even begin to think it was an acceptable thing to say would get a reaction. If your kid died and someone is using it as a means to abuse at a football game then you will react, any human would.

 

When fans say things like this, or throw fake eyeballs at a player that lost sight in one, is it any wonder no footballer has come out in this country. A very small minority of fans are cvnts of the highest order.