Racism at the KP

[Corieltauvian]

The constant slating of Iheanacho winds me up. He hasn’t been great for us and criticism for underperformance is fine but I’m convinced there are racist undertones to his treatment. I think Gray is a victim of it too, as was Mahrez to some extent.

 

I can only speak for where I sit and it’s difficult to prove as it isn’t overt, but white/English players underperforming never get the same treatment. It makes me very uncomfortable.

[Nickfosse]

28 minutes ago, Corieltauvian said:

The constant slating of Iheanacho winds me up. He hasn’t been great for us and criticism for underperformance is fine but I’m convinced there are racist undertones to his treatment. I think Gray is a victim of it too, as was Mahrez to some extent. I can only speak for where I sit and it’s difficult to prove as it isn’t overt, but white/English players underperforming never bet the same treatment. It makes me very uncomfortable.

I share the same discomfort. As you say hard to prove, though I used to sit in front of a bloke from Finedon back in the Levein years who would openly share with me that he thought “coloured” players had a tendency to be lazier than white players!!!! Unbelievable really and 100% true I’m sorry to say. 

[Corieltauvian]

3 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

I share the same discomfort. As you say hard to prove, though I used to sit in front of a bloke from Finedon back in the Levein years who would openly share with me that he thought “coloured” players had a tendency to be lazier than white players!!!! Unbelievable really and 100% true I’m sorry to say. 

That’s the the kind of stuff I’m referring to. It’s never purely on performance; the insinuation is that they are crap because they are lazy. A white player is having an off day or is tired. 

[Bunyip]

46 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

I share the same discomfort. As you say hard to prove, though I used to sit in front of a bloke from Finedon back in the Levein years who would openly share with me that he thought “coloured” players had a tendency to be lazier than white players!!!! Unbelievable really and 100% true I’m sorry to say. 

Big Ron thought so too. Sadly it's still there only mostly unsaid.

[Gevans_97]

1 hour ago, Corieltauvian said:

The constant slating of Iheanacho winds me up. He hasn’t been great for us and criticism for underperformance is fine but I’m convinced there are racist undertones to his treatment. I think Gray is a victim of it too, as was Mahrez to some extent.

 

I can only speak for where I sit and it’s difficult to prove as it isn’t overt, but white/English players underperforming never get the same treatment. It makes me very uncomfortable.

I feel the same mate. The same players always get slated - Iheanacho, Gray, Mahrez, Ghezzal, Okazaki, Morgan. 

 

Whereas Vardy and Maddison (English golden boys) never get any crap from the stands, even though they’ve both been pretty sub par for a lot of the season, and were awful yesterday. 

 

Even when white, English players are criticised from the stands (or at least a few idiots that sit behind me) it feels different to those others.

 

Does leave you with a bit of a sour taste in your mouth.

[Lcfcbisto]

4 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

I bet that’s unbearable for her at the mi

3 hours ago, Corieltauvian said:

The constant slating of Iheanacho winds me up. He hasn’t been great for us and criticism for underperformance is fine but I’m convinced there are racist undertones to his treatment. I think Gray is a victim of it too, as was Mahrez to some extent.

 

I can only speak for where I sit and it’s difficult to prove as it isn’t overt, but white/English players underperforming never get the same treatment. It makes me very uncomfortable.

Why is there a racist undertone, that is complete bull sh1t. I can’t talk for every fan but why do you need to bring racism into it.

Iheanacho is getting stick for no reason I agree but not because he is black, it’s because vardy walks on water.

mahrez got criticised a lot for his lack of work but made up for it with world class ability. It had nothing to do with his colours, he didn’t put in much work tracking back and went missing in games. albrighton will never have the skill of mahrez but constantly works for the team, he just happens to be white.

gray is struggling in a Leicester shirt and can’t put a good performance  in, his touch is poor and he doesn’t make enough positive runs, that is not because he is black, in the last few permances Maddison has not been as effective and he is white.

andy king is slatted constantly even though he has never been that bad and a Leicester legend and yes he is white,  Silva has been slatted for being to light weight and slow, again he is white. 

I could spend all night picking on players Lcfc fans have hated who are white. 

There colour has nothing to do with it 

and to bring it up just shows your trying to make a problem 

 

 

[Corieltauvian]

Yes, I’m trying to “make a problem”. Why on Earth would I want to do that? That’s mental. It’s a little odd that you are being defensive about it.

 

It’s my perception. That perception might be wrong but I’m not the only person who feels this way. 

 

Our games are attended by 32,000 people. That’s a decent cross-section of society. Whilst our society is much better than others there is still racism in it. It isn’t as overt as it once was but it is insidious and the political polarisation of the country at the moment has given some, albeit a minority, a licence to express some of their less pleasant views.

 

There will be racists among our support and probably a significant number. It won’t be out and out name-calling and barracking in most cases because, as a society, we are far less accepting of it than would once have been the case. But there will definitely be fans who find it easier to express displeasure at our BAME players than our white players. It might not even be deliberate. But it will be there. 

 

I’ll comment no further as it isn’t what this thread is supposed to be about. But let’s not be burying our heads in the sand.

[UniFox21]

9 minutes ago, Corieltauvian said:

Yes, I’m trying to “make a problem”. Why on Earth would I want to do that? That’s mental. It’s a little odd that you are being defensive about it.

 

It’s my perception. That perception might be wrong but I’m not the only person who feels this way. 

 

Our games are attended by 32,000 people. That’s a decent cross-section of society. Whilst our society is much better than others there is still racism in it. It isn’t as overt as it once was but it is insidious and the political polarisation of the country at the moment has given some, albeit a minority, a licence to express some of their less pleasant views.

 

There will be racists among our support and probably a significant number. It won’t be out and out name-calling and barracking in most cases because, as a society, we are far less accepting of it than would once have been the case. But there will definitely be fans who find it easier to express displeasure at our BAME players than our white players. It might not even be deliberate. But it will be there. 

 

I’ll comment no further as it isn’t what this thread is supposed to be about. But let’s not be burying our heads in the sand.

I genuinely think this is one of the most worrying posts I've read. 

 

At this club we've had a huge variety of players over the years; some of the most talented in the league (Mahrez, Vardy and Kante) and some down right terrible (Nick Powell, Moreno et al). We've been through some proper shit in the last 14 years, and we have some interesting fans, to put it nicely. 

 

But I wouldn't call them racist. If they boo, they boo because of what they've seen. When we're in that ground, every single person wants the best for their team. No one cares of the colour of the player's skin. If Nacho or Maddison were to score a last minute winner, the whole ground would go wild. 

 

Now, whilst its still beyond me that people booed the substitution, I am pretty confident in saying it is due to them disagreeing with it and absolutely not to do with the ethnicity of the player. The thought of that being the case hadn't even popped into my head before reading this. 

 

[Corieltauvian]

18 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I genuinely think this is one of the most worrying posts I've read. 

 

At this club we've had a huge variety of players over the years; some of the most talented in the league (Mahrez, Vardy and Kante) and some down right terrible (Nick Powell, Moreno et al). We've been through some proper shit in the last 14 years, and we have some interesting fans, to put it nicely. 

 

But I wouldn't call them racist. If they boo, they boo because of what they've seen. When we're in that ground, every single person wants the best for their team. No one cares of the colour of the player's skin. If Nacho or Maddison were to score a last minute winner, the whole ground would go wild. 

 

Now, whilst its still beyond me that people booed the substitution, I am pretty confident in saying it is due to them disagreeing with it and absolutely not to do with the ethnicity of the player. The thought of that being the case hadn't even popped into my head before reading this. 

 

It is surely beyond dispute that a fair proportion of the thirty-odd thousand who attend our games will be racists. A stadium of football supporters is also a stadium full of people from our community - the good and the bad.

 

I am not for a moment suggesting that all, or even anything like most, booing directed at BAME players is motivated by racism. Most people are decent.

 

But I do think booing and abuse of our BAME players is more enthusiastic than that of our white players and I’d be amazed if there wasn’t an element of racism to that.

[Lcfcbisto]

22 minutes ago, Corieltauvian said:

Yes, I’m trying to “make a problem”. Why on Earth would I want to do that? That’s mental. It’s a little odd that you are being defensive about it.

 

It’s my perception. That perception might be wrong but I’m not the only person who feels this way. 

 

Our games are attended by 32,000 people. That’s a decent cross-section of society. Whilst our society is much better than others there is still racism in it. It isn’t as overt as it once was but it is insidious and the political polarisation of the country at the moment has given some, albeit a minority, a licence to express some of their less pleasant views.

 

There will be racists among our support and probably a significant number. It won’t be out and out name-calling and barracking in most cases because, as a society, we are far less accepting of it than would once have been the case. But there will definitely be fans who find it easier to express displeasure at our BAME players than our white players. It might not even be deliberate. But it will be there. 

 

I’ll comment no further as it isn’t what this thread is supposed to be about. But let’s not be burying our heads in the sand.

I’m not being defensive at all, I’m calling something out as complete bollocks.

And the political polarisation at the moment means some albeit the few (using your words) are now slagging off black players more than they would have in the past, so your saying last year the same fans would not have felt comfortable being racist but it’s fine now.

and are you saying we are going backwards when it comes to racism. 

i totally agree that racism does exist in football and it need kicking out for good, but bringing it up in this situation is nothing more than provocative. 

 

[Corieltauvian]

4 minutes ago, Lcfcbisto said:

I’m not being defensive at all, I’m calling something out as complete bollocks.

And the political polarisation at the moment means some albeit the few (using your words) are now slagging off black players more than they would have in the past, so your saying last year the same fans would not have felt comfortable being racist but it’s fine now.

and are you saying we are going backwards when it comes to racism. 

i totally agree that racism does exist in football and it need kicking out for good, but bringing it up in this situation is nothing more than provocative. 

 

Well clearly I don’t think it is complete bollocks. And yes, I do think that football and the country more generally has gone backwards as regards racism in recent times.

 

My post wasn’t intended to provoke but I’m glad that it has. It’s a difficult subject and that it is considered provocative to raise it demonstrates that there is a problem. I make no apology for that.

 

As for derailing the thread - the subject started with me citing moronic behaviour and then positing a possible reason behind it. Otherwise I have simply responded to those quoting the post. Anybody not interested in

the subject is perfectly free to ignore my posts and to contribute their own more light hearted entries.

 

I’ll leave it there. I made an observation which may be correct or otherwise. I wasn’t intending to debate the issue and that remains the case. 

[Bunyip]

22 minutes ago, Corieltauvian said:

It is surely beyond dispute that a fair proportion of the thirty-odd thousand who attend our games will be racists. A stadium of football supporters is also a stadium full of people from our community - the good and the bad.

 

I am not for a moment suggesting that all, or even anything like most, booing directed at BAME players is motivated by racism. Most people are decent.

 

But I do think booing and abuse of our BAME players is more enthusiastic than that of our white players and I’d be amazed if there wasn’t an element of racism to that.

Christ, you are " A " typical of the childish liberal mindset that sees racism around every corner. you have single-handedly ruined a happy funny post just to shoehorn your own warped agenda. Tell you what go and start your own topic on racism at Leicester city and see how many bother to reply or post or actually give a toss.  If anyone wants to hear moronic things fans say then look no further than your posts.

[Corieltauvian]

10 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

Christ, you are " A " typical of the childish liberal mindset that sees racism around every corner. you have single-handedly ruined a happy funny post just to shoehorn your own warped agenda. Tell you what go and start your own topic on racism at Leicester city and see how many bother to reply or post or actually give a toss.  If anyone wants to hear moronic things fans say then look no further than your posts.

“Liberal” isn’t an insult. 

 

I don’t have an agenda. 

 

You seem a bit thick.

 

The notion that some people who watch football are probably racists is obviously very upsetting for some. Can’t think why.

 

 

[BoyJones]

1 hour ago, Lcfcbisto said:

I’m not being defensive at all, I’m calling something out as complete bollocks.

And the political polarisation at the moment means some albeit the few (using your words) are now slagging off black players more than they would have in the past, so your saying last year the same fans would not have felt comfortable being racist but it’s fine now.

and are you saying we are going backwards when it comes to racism. 

i totally agree that racism does exist in football and it need kicking out for good, but bringing it up in this situation is nothing more than provocative. 

 

Mate, save your breath. It de riguer to bring a racist slant into every discussion these days. 

 

On a very recent facebook discussion, I said I didn't like Puel's tactics (one up front / sideways passing etc). Someone posted it was because he was French that he was getting criticised - if he was English we wouldn't be having a go.  Basically implied all those who didn't like his style of play were racists - absolutely disgraceful, but it is the way of the world at the moment. 

[Nick]

10 hours ago, Corieltauvian said:

The constant slating of Iheanacho winds me up. He hasn’t been great for us and criticism for underperformance is fine but I’m convinced there are racist undertones to his treatment. I think Gray is a victim of it too, as was Mahrez to some extent.

 

I can only speak for where I sit and it’s difficult to prove as it isn’t overt, but white/English players underperforming never get the same treatment. It makes me very uncomfortable.

The word ‘Lazy’ seems to be attributed way more to black players than white which makes me cringe a fair bit.

[Bunyip]

9 hours ago, Corieltauvian said:

“Liberal” isn’t an insult. 

 

I don’t have an agenda. 

 

You seem a bit thick.

 

The notion that some people who watch football are probably racists is obviously very upsetting for some. Can’t think why.

 

 

The irony of you calling anyone else thick. Happy new year.

[Bunyip]

4 minutes ago, rynfish said:

I was sat behind a dad with his two young boys (7-10 ish?), being a father of a toddler and a baby myself I was smiling thinking I can't wait to bring my boys here.

 

The he shouts at the top of his lungs "IHEANACHO YOU F***ING USELESS C**T!!!"

 

Maybe I'll wait til their a bit older...

Yes, then they can call him that themselves.

[Stoopid]

11 hours ago, Corieltauvian said:

“Liberal” isn’t an insult. 

 

I don’t have an agenda. 

 

You seem a bit thick.

 

The notion that some people who watch football are probably racists is obviously very upsetting for some. Can’t think why.

 

 

Just like to make two points;

1) I have lived in various cities, not just in the UK either, and in my experience  Leicester is easily the least racist of any of them.

2) Calling somebody you're debating with 'thick' immediately invalidates any point you are trying to make.

 

[Corieltauvian]

19 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Just like to make two points;

1) I have lived in various cities, not just in the UK either, and in my experience  Leicester is easily the least racist of any of them.

2) Calling somebody you're debating with 'thick' immediately invalidates any point you are trying to make.

 

1) That's great. But it doesn't mean that there is no racism in Leicester, that some racists don't go to the football and that some of them don't find a way to express it at games. I'm claiming nothing more than that.

 

2) Nonsense.

 

Me: The moon is made of cheese.

Neil Armstrong: No, it isn't.

Me: Yes, it is. I see it every night and it looks like cheese to me!

Neil Armstrong: You're thick.

Me: Lol, argument invalidated!

 

I shouldn't have resorted to the personal insult, but then nor should I be accused of 'having an agenda' and peddling 'bullshit' because somebody thinks my interpretation of my own observation is wrong. Perhaps it is. But you debate that (if there is a need for debate at all - I wasn't seeking one) by disagreeing with the point rather than assuming dishonesty or conspiracy.

 

Such is life. But the insult doesn't render the argument invalid.

[Stoopid]

19 minutes ago, Corieltauvian said:

1) That's great. But it doesn't mean that there is no racism in Leicester, that some racists don't go to the football and that some of them don't find a way to express it at games. I'm claiming nothing more than that.

 

2) Nonsense.

 

Me: The moon is made of cheese.

Neil Armstrong: No, it isn't.

Me: Yes, it is. I see it every night and it looks like cheese to me!

Neil Armstrong: You're thick.

Me: Lol, argument invalidated!

 

I shouldn't have resorted to the personal insult, but then nor should I be accused of 'having an agenda' and peddling 'bullshit' because somebody thinks my interpretation of my own observation is wrong. Perhaps it is. But you debate that (if there is a need for debate at all - I wasn't seeking one) by disagreeing with the point rather than assuming dishonesty or conspiracy.

 

Such is life. But the insult doesn't render the argument invalid.

 

[Stoopid]

28 minutes ago, Corieltauvian said:

1) That's great. But it doesn't mean that there is no racism in Leicester, that some racists don't go to the football and that some of them don't find a way to express it at games. I'm claiming nothing more than that.

 

2) Nonsense.

 

Me: The moon is made of cheese.

Neil Armstrong: No, it isn't.

Me: Yes, it is. I see it every night and it looks like cheese to me!

Neil Armstrong: You're thick.

Me: Lol, argument invalidated!

 

I shouldn't have resorted to the personal insult, but then nor should I be accused of 'having an agenda' and peddling 'bullshit' because somebody thinks my interpretation of my own observation is wrong. Perhaps it is. But you debate that (if there is a need for debate at all - I wasn't seeking one) by disagreeing with the point rather than assuming dishonesty or conspiracy.

 

Such is life. But the insult doesn't render the argument invalid.

Several points;

1) Of course racism exists everywhere. For such a diverse city - probably because of that reason - Leicester, in my experience has less of a problem with it than many places.

And the point you make about a football crowd being a cross- section of the local population is, to say the least, highly debatable,

2) Nowhere did I accuse you of 'peddling bullshit' or of having an agenda.

3) It doesn't matter how factually correct your argument may or may not be, once you resort to insult it is invalidated in the sense that the other person stops listening to it. It ceases to be a dialogue. It's like introducing a zero into a mathematical equation - suddenly the whole thing collapses. 

[Corieltauvian]

4 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Several points;

1) Of course racism exists everywhere. For such a diverse city - probably because of that reason - Leicester, in my experience has less of a problem with it than many places.

And the point you make about a football crowd being a cross- section of the local population is, to say the least, highly debatable,

2) Nowhere did I accuse you of 'peddling bullshit' or of having an agenda.

3) It doesn't matter how factually correct your argument may or may not be, once you resort to insult it is invalidated in the sense that the other person stops listening to it. It ceases to be a dialogue. It's like introducing a zero into a mathematical equation - suddenly the whole thing collapses. 

1) It's debatable whether it's a representative cross-section. But it is a cross-section nonetheless.

2) No - others have and that's what I was referring to.

3) I disagree - although agree that I shouldn't have resorted to the insult.

[Stoopid]

15 minutes ago, Corieltauvian said:

1) It's debatable whether it's a representative cross-section. But it is a cross-section nonetheless.

2) No - others have and that's what I was referring to.

3) I disagree - although agree that I shouldn't have resorted to the insult.

1) Hang on a minute. If you're using the term 'cross-section' in your initial argument, you're obviously implying it's representational, otherwise you're just saying it's a collection of people. Which it is - but that's certainly not the point you were making.

2) I refer you to my previous answer

3) Ditto.

[Guest worth_the_wait]

21 hours ago, Corieltauvian said:

The constant slating of Iheanacho winds me up. He hasn’t been great for us and criticism for underperformance is fine but I’m convinced there are racist undertones to his treatment. I think Gray is a victim of it too, as was Mahrez to some extent.

 

I can only speak for where I sit and it’s difficult to prove as it isn’t overt, but white/English players underperforming never get the same treatment. It makes me very uncomfortable.

 

I've had a good night's sleep, and time to reflect on the comments above.  

 

One thing really troubles me.  There is apparently someone out there (a fellow City fan) who actually thinks "white/English players underperforming never get the same treatment".

 

Apart from thinking that the moon is made of cheese, this really is one of the most outrageously insulting and stupid things I have ever seen written.

 

As far as I'm concerned, that is a racist statement in itself ... as you are implying that white/English people are following some stereotype of discriminating against other people.  

 

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for your accusation.   If you accused any named individuals of this behaviour, it would be libel.

 

But the main point is ... what you say is absolute rubbish.

 

Throughout the history of the universe, white/English players have been absolutely slaughtered by white/English fans.   And every other colour and nationality for that matter, by every other football fan on the planet.

 

We are mostly passionate, deranged football fans ... and in the last 30 years I have never heard a single bit of football related abuse that wasn't really what is seemed.   Yes it really is.    Player plays rubbish, you slag him off.   Player plays brilliant, you worship them.

 

Nothing to do with nationality, religion, skin colour, height, weight, long hair, high pitched voice, big nose, scouse/geordie/cockney/manc, and anything else you can think of.

 

I'm not going to waste my time replying to all the other subsequent comments,   I'd be here all night.   

 

To borrow a phrase ...  I’ll leave it there. I made an observation which may be correct or otherwise. I wasn’t intending to debate the issue and that remains the case. 

 

Anyway ... Happy New Year everyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The_77]

48 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

 

I've had a good night's sleep, and time to reflect on the comments above.  

 

One thing really troubles me.  There is apparently someone out there (a fellow City fan) who actually thinks "white/English players underperforming never get the same treatment".

 

Apart from thinking that the moon is made of cheese, this really is one of the most outrageously insulting and stupid things I have ever seen written.

 

As far as I'm concerned, that is a racist statement in itself ... as you are implying that white/English people are following some stereotype of discriminating against other people.  

 

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for your accusation.   If you accused any named individuals of this behaviour, it would be libel.

 

But the main point is ... what you say is absolute rubbish.

 

Throughout the history of the universe, white/English players have been absolutely slaughtered by white/English fans.   And every other colour and nationality for that matter, by every other football fan on the planet.

 

We are mostly passionate, deranged football fans ... and in the last 30 years I have never heard a single bit of football related abuse that wasn't really what is seemed.   Yes it really is.    Player plays rubbish, you slag him off.   Player plays brilliant, you worship them.

 

Nothing to do with nationality, religion, skin colour, height, weight, long hair, high pitched voice, big nose, scouse/geordie/cockney/manc, and anything else you can think of.

 

I'm not going to waste my time replying to all the other subsequent comments,   I'd be here all night.   

 

To borrow a phrase ...  I’ll leave it there. I made an observation which may be correct or otherwise. I wasn’t intending to debate the issue and that remains the case. 

 

Anyway ... Happy New Year everyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Except that a Premier League player was just racially abused on Saturday. And another the week before.