Sampson Posted 15 June 2019 Posted 15 June 2019 16 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: To counter the above (well-made) point, I think our whole defence looked as good as they did in 15-16 because of Kante. I'm not convinced they played all that much better than what we've seen since. I think this is historical revisionism to some extent though and I really don't buy it- and none of our fans would have bought it at the time, it's only now I hear some fans say it in retrospect. Morgan and Huth were genuinely and obviously outstanding, regardless of Kante. They just won everything in the air, blocked everything, were always in the right place and just stop teams even getting near the goal. While I totally understand you could argue Kante helped stop a lot of attacks further up the pitch- that's too simple a narrative to the actual millions of individual decisions that all 22 players make during a single game. And it was not Kante who was winning these headers, interceptions or stopping attacks get through. We saw Morgan and Huth do that time after time, with Kante well out the picture. Kante was an incredible player, but a defensive midfielder but he did not control the thousands of individual actions which Morgan and Huth (or Fuchs, Simpson and Schmeichel for that matter) made. Most of the time he was further forward than people remember and had nothing to do with the opposition coming up against the back 5. Same thing with the silly argument that Morgan was only good because of Huth. Even though Morgan was quite considerably the better of the 2 during the title winning season and Huth had an iffy first 2 or 3 months of that season - people act like Morgan just made every step in relation to what Huth told him as if he was in a game of Dance, Dance Revoloution.
HighPeakFox Posted 15 June 2019 Posted 15 June 2019 4 minutes ago, Sampson said: I think this is historical revisionism to some extent though and I really don't buy it- and none of our fans would have bought it at the time, it's only now I hear some fans say it in retrospect. Morgan and Huth were genuinely and obviously good, regardless of Kante. They just won everything in the air, blocked everything, were always in the right place and just stop teams even getting near the goal. While I totally understand you could argue Kante helped stop a lot of attacks further up the pitch- that's too simple a narrative to the actual millions of individual decisions that all 22 players make during a single game. And it was not Kante who was winning these headers, interceptions or stopping attacks get through. We saw Morgan and Huth do that time after time, with Kante well out the picture. Kante was an incredible player, but a defensive midfielder but he did not control the thousands of individual actions which Morgan and Huth (or Fuchs, Simpson and Schmeichel for that matter) made. Most of the time he was further forward than people remember and had nothing to do with the opposition coming up against the back 5. Same thing with the silly argument that Morgan was only good because of Huth. Even though Morgan was quite considerably the better of the 2 during the title winning season and Huth had an iffy first 2 or 3 months of that season - people act like Morgan just made every step in relation to what Huth told him as if he was in a game of Dance, Dance Revoloution. Completely reasonable, and I see your points. Except, one has to take into account the amount of pressure Kante relieved, thus leaving said defence fresher and probably thinking more clearly. It's not an accident that the team regressed after Kante left, and it wasn't just the poor buys that caused that. As for revisionism - I reject that, at least on my own behalf. I was well aware that Kante was different mustard very early on (and I will suirely not be alone in that). I quite accept, though, that our entire defence had the collective (and probably individual) season of their lives, absolutely.
GeorgeTheFox Posted 15 June 2019 Posted 15 June 2019 Dont know why I've never considered a Cambiasso/Kante midfield partnership but the thought is a bit sensual
Lesterlad Posted 15 June 2019 Posted 15 June 2019 On 11/06/2019 at 00:08, Steve_Walsh5 said: Schmeichel Simpson Huth Morgan Fuchs Mahrez Drinkwater Kante Albrighton Okazaki Vardy This team wouldn’t win anything.
Charl91 Posted 15 June 2019 Posted 15 June 2019 Gone for the classic FIFA 4-4-2 Zieler Paul Konchesky Benalouane Molla Wague Bakayogo Ghezzal Dean Hammond Andy King Musa Joe Dodoo Iheanacho Subs: Ben Pearson, Diabate, GTF, Slimani, Kaputska, Benalouane That's a team that would go places. (Ok, maybe not high places. But definitely places)
Nickfosse Posted 15 June 2019 Posted 15 June 2019 9 hours ago, Charl91 said: Gone for the classic FIFA 4-4-2 Zieler Paul Konchesky Benalouane Molla Wague Bakayogo Ghezzal Dean Hammond Andy King Musa Joe Dodoo Iheanacho Subs: Ben Pearson, Diabate, GTF, Slimani, Kaputska, Benalouane That's a team that would go places. (Ok, maybe not high places. But definitely places) Benalouane playing and on the bench. Impressive ?
Bryn Posted 15 June 2019 Posted 15 June 2019 Schmeichel Ricardo Morgan Huth Fuchs Mahrez Drinkwater Kante Albrighton Maddison Vardy
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