Ukraine

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

On 30/05/2024 at 01:21, Dirkster the Fox said:

Vicky "cookies" even decided on who the US wanted as the new Ukraine President after the US (paid for and sponsored) 2014 Maidan coup...

 

 

I have not heard anyone even attempt to explain this. It’s been public for many years but is rarely even acknowledged. It’s so brazen and clearly shows the extent to which the US were meddling in Ukraine. If the roles were reversed and an equivalent call were leaked showing the Russians having this level of involvement in the politics of say Mexico, it would rightly be considered an outrageous provocation. 

[Zear0]

1 hour ago, MarshallForEngland said:

I have not heard anyone even attempt to explain this. It’s been public for many years but is rarely even acknowledged. It’s so brazen and clearly shows the extent to which the US were meddling in Ukraine. If the roles were reversed and an equivalent call were leaked showing the Russians having this level of involvement in the politics of say Mexico, it would rightly be considered an outrageous provocation. 

Like when Russia interfered in the 2016 US election? 

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

3 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Like when Russia interfered in the 2016 US election? 

Please explain more about this

[fox_up_north]

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-evidence-shows-how-russias-election-interference-has-gotten-more

 

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-election-security-findings-first-volume-bipartisan-russia-report

 

Quote from the second: 

"The Russian government directed extensive activity against U.S. election infrastructure. The Committee found the activity directed at the state and local level began in at least 2014 and carried into at least 2017. The Committee has seen no evidence that any votes were changed or that any voting machines were manipulated."

 

The Mueller report concluded they didn't have sufficient evidence to prove that Russia interfered but there were numerous links between Russia and Trump. 

 

It has been a known fact for years that Russian bot farms are used to sway public opinion in the west. This does not mean that the links of Trump request it but, rather, the Russians believe they benefit from a destablised West. 

[st albans fox]

15 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Like when Russia interfered in the 2016 US election? 

‘They dont like it up em pike’ !

Edited 1 June 2024 by st albans fox

[st albans fox]

15 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Like when Russia interfered in the 2016 US election? 

And many other western elections/ refererendums

 

The ruskys and the yanks have been doing it for decades - to claim otherwise is plain naive 

[Lionator]

What are the chances that NATO actually sends fighting troops in the end? 

[Zear0]

Just now, Lionator said:

What are the chances that NATO actually sends fighting troops in the end? 

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[Lionator]

3 hours ago, Zear0 said:

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Hmmm not sure given the way some people are drawing their lines. Macron especially seems on a wrecking mission to put us at war. Terrifying as he doesn’t have children either.

[fox_favourite]

27 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Hmmm not sure given the way some people are drawing their lines. Macron especially seems on a wrecking mission to put us at war. Terrifying as he doesn’t have children either.

It's the baltics and Poland that seem to have the strongest opinions on this and our the loose canons, I think. I also worry about Hungary's leaders actions as well the other way. 

 

They feel that they're next after Ukraine. Whether that is the case or not, they want to help Ukraine more than anyone. We're just the loud barking bull dog in the corner. They don't want to.go back to Russia's Sphere of influence, and you can't blame them. 

[leicsmac]

Putin must be allowing himself a quiet smile after the EU elections, given the ascendancy of those more likely to give him free rein in Ukraine.

 

Perhaps his social media manipulation and idea to outlast his political opposition is starting to pay off. I hope not.

[leicsmac]

@Sampson WRT what you said elsewhere:

 

Putin is on record as saying that the collapse of the USSR and Eastern block was the worst thing that happened for Russia, but he has also said that "whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain". So I'm not sure if we're looking at a wannabe Bolshevik or a wannabe Tsar here. He's not exactly a poster boy for communism given his vast personal wealth and oligopoly.

 

Definitely agree that Ukraine needs to be shored up and cannot fall, naturally, though I think he knows there's a big difference between going into Ukraine and going into a country that will trigger NATO Article 5. Unless that article is no longer worth the paper it's written on, that is.

[Sampson]

11 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

@Sampson WRT what you said elsewhere:

 

Putin is on record as saying that the collapse of the USSR and Eastern block was the worst thing that happened for Russia, but he has also said that "whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain". So I'm not sure if we're looking at a wannabe Bolshevik or a wannabe Tsar here. He's not exactly a poster boy for communism given his vast personal wealth and oligopoly.

 

Definitely agree that Ukraine needs to be shored up and cannot fall, naturally, though I think he knows there's a big difference between going into Ukraine and going into a country that will trigger NATO Article 5. Unless that article is no longer worth the paper it's written on, that is.

I agree he clearly doesn’t believe in the economic style of the USSR, but I’m sure he’d be happy to see the landmass and geopolitical influence of the USSR back.