Employment dilemma

[LCFCJohn]

On 19/02/2023 at 10:35, Sampson said:

Disagree, but it depends on how specialist the job is really and how many other candidates are out there. In my experience most employers like to feel like they've been "selected" by the candidate rather than that they've been applying for multiple jobs. Of course if you're an engineer with 7 years of university schooling and 10 years experience in the job it's a different matter as it's way more specialist and they won't have so much to choose from so putting pressure in them works in the employees favour.

You’re probably right with that but this does annoy me. I’ve always said the employer needs to impress me too.

 

A few years back I went for an interview for a role within the local authority where live. It got to half an hour late without them coming and explaining why so I just told the receptionist for the building that I was going. I hate bad punctuality so this was a major red flag for me wanting to work there. Now that was not necessarily the whole council who were like that but clearly that team/department/manager.

 

More recently, last year, I had interviews for two roles for competing Universities in the City.

 

One had forgotten to send out the invites and contacted me after they had been expecting me apologising so I went the next day. They were a shambles and the questions asked in the interview didn’t line up with the job description I’d read.

 

Immediately before, I’d been to an interview at the other University. The interview had been planned for over a week and the questions and test were an excellent representation of what the job had been advertised as and now I’m doing it, of the job itself.

 

So yeah, employers can piss right off if they think they can do what they want!

 

 

[grobyfox1990]

43 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

You’re probably right with that but this does annoy me. I’ve always said the employer needs to impress me too.

 

A few years back I went for an interview for a role within the local authority where live. It got to half an hour late without them coming and explaining why so I just told the receptionist for the building that I was going. I hate bad punctuality so this was a major red flag for me wanting to work there. Now that was not necessarily the whole council who were like that but clearly that team/department/manager.

 

More recently, last year, I had interviews for two roles for competing Universities in the City.

 

One had forgotten to send out the invites and contacted me after they had been expecting me apologising so I went the next day. They were a shambles and the questions asked in the interview didn’t line up with the job description I’d read.

 

Immediately before, I’d been to an interview at the other University. The interview had been planned for over a week and the questions and test were an excellent representation of what the job had been advertised as and now I’m doing it, of the job itself.

 

So yeah, employers can piss right off if they think they can do what they want!

 

 

Too right, if you’re good you’re good and you shouldn’t be pissed around trying to show an employer you’re desperate to work for them. They should be desperate to hire you if you’re finding getting offers easy 

[Greg2607]

I work as an In-House recruiter, but previously spent 15 years recruiting for senior exec roles in the Accounting & Finance Space. 

 

In the current market, candidates are generally in control, but the market is definitely turning. We've seen a really big uplift in the volumes of applications which I suspect is aligned to an increase number of redundancies happening.  SO don't be fooled into thinking the company might not have a back up choice that they could revert to. 

 

If a recruiter is doing their job properly, whether in a recruitment agency or in an In-House function (working for the employer basically) then they should always know about other options on the table.  Never be afraid to be honest on that front as it does give you an element of leverage. 

 

As for the salary debate, it is ok to ask for more money, but don't suddenly add an extra £10k onto your demands.  In general, you are being assessed against your value for money.  So you might be a great option at £40k and the business will accept that you might have some areas of development.  If you suddenly demand £50k at the point of offer, then your value against that figure is no where near as strong. 

 

Whatever you do, never, ever drop out of a job offer a day or two before you are due to start your role.  You'll burn bridges and people do talk.  Clients used to call me to ask about people who had applied direct and what I thought of them as there was a strong chance i'd know of them in the market.   I was always honest in my impressions, if they were great, i'd say so, if they had let people down, or had a bad reputation i'd tell them that as well. 

 

 

[Tommy G]

6 hours ago, Greg2607 said:

I work as an In-House recruiter, but previously spent 15 years recruiting for senior exec roles in the Accounting & Finance Space. 

 

In the current market, candidates are generally in control, but the market is definitely turning. We've seen a really big uplift in the volumes of applications which I suspect is aligned to an increase number of redundancies happening.  SO don't be fooled into thinking the company might not have a back up choice that they could revert to. 

 

If a recruiter is doing their job properly, whether in a recruitment agency or in an In-House function (working for the employer basically) then they should always know about other options on the table.  Never be afraid to be honest on that front as it does give you an element of leverage. 

 

As for the salary debate, it is ok to ask for more money, but don't suddenly add an extra £10k onto your demands.  In general, you are being assessed against your value for money.  So you might be a great option at £40k and the business will accept that you might have some areas of development.  If you suddenly demand £50k at the point of offer, then your value against that figure is no where near as strong. 

 

Whatever you do, never, ever drop out of a job offer a day or two before you are due to start your role.  You'll burn bridges and people do talk.  Clients used to call me to ask about people who had applied direct and what I thought of them as there was a strong chance i'd know of them in the market.   I was always honest in my impressions, if they were great, i'd say so, if they had let people down, or had a bad reputation i'd tell them that as well. 

 

 

This guy knows what he's talking about - he's had some great candidates in his time 

[JonnyBoy]

On 19/02/2023 at 09:51, Brenfox said:

I'm very unhappy in my current employment. I posted my cv online & have been approached by several recruiters. On Friday morning i had a 2nd interview via teams  for a very good job. Within an hour i was offered the position by the recruitment agency. I said i would call the recruiter after the interview. The interview went incredibly well & the job is fantastic. They would like to see me again as soon as possible but could'nt pin down exactly when. Now i would much prefer the 2nd job but if that does not work out i would gladly take the 1st. I don't want to keep the 1st job hanging on & also i don't want to lose the offer either.

delay 1st job, recruiter will try and make you accept it as they will get paid commission on it. Company won’t pull the offer - you have about a week to get the second interview sorted for the other opportunity