James Justin

[Mickyblueeyes]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

You havent said what those options are, I am still waiting.

I think you might need to catch the highlights from an earlier point. He’s got the ball and an immediate outlet to Coady and Bilal. Twists, has an outlet to the left back, twists and has an outlet to the keeper, twists again and plays it to Ayew (who was asleep). 
 

The ball is lost and Villa attack. 

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

How did the ball even get to Justin's area in the first place

A misplaced pass from Villa. 

Why does that matter? 

[Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, adam said:

Seriously. Boot it in the stand, pass it to coady or the keeper. No way can you watch that goal and defend him. No chance.

He couldnt touch the ball, so how does he do that?

 

[adam]

2 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

You havent said what those options are, I am still waiting.  Thank you for confirming you relying on MOTD highlights.  In my opinion you cant judge these things without full coverage, as there is a bigger picture.

 

How did the ball even get to Justin's area in the first place?

You can certainly judge it on motd. They even discussed it and explained what he should of done. Have a watch of it.

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Chrysalis said:

He couldnt touch the ball, so how does he do that?

 

Are you watching the same game or the same goal as everyone else

 

'he couldn't touch the ball'. He was literally in possession of it? 

Edited 5 January by StanSP

[Nods]

58 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

As said by a few previously, he’s a decent player who is bang out of form, the major problem is there is absolutely no other option. Which is a massive failure on the clubs part. 

He isn't though, not anymore. 

 

Enzo didn't fancy him in the Championship, and he looked awful on the ball the few times we saw him at that level. 

 

This is more than just a temporary drop in confidence. 

 

In terms of options, while we don't have a natural right back, I'm confident that a centre half in his position wouldn't average an error leading to a goal each game. 

 

I do feel for him a bit because he does seem to be of a bit of a nervous disposition. However, ultimately he's not good enough and the limited alternatives simply have to be utilised at this point.

[Chrysalis]

Just now, StanSP said:

A misplaced pass from Villa. 

Why does that matter? 

It matters because the game is not just about the final seconds before the goal, the whole team is involved in the overall play.

 

We obviously did something wrong to allow Villa to get the ball in that position, and this is getting ignored.

[Mickyblueeyes]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

He couldnt touch the ball, so how does he do that?

 

Yeah, you’ve not watched the highlights from the point of issue. Guessing from that, you’ve watched the bit where Matson runs past him. It’s on YouTube the full sequence. 

[adam]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

He couldnt touch the ball, so how does he do that?

 

Did you miss the bit where he had the ball at his feet?

[Chrysalis]

Just now, StanSP said:

Are you watching the same game or the same goal as everyone else

 

I didnt watch the game, I looked at the highlights which showed justin couldnt reach the ball.  So I am asking how does he clear a ball he cant reach.

[Chrysalis]

Just now, adam said:

Did you miss the bit where he had the ball at his feet?

Right so you think at that point he should have just booted it out?

[StanSP]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

It matters because the game is not just about the final seconds before the goal, the whole team is involved in the overall play.

 

We obviously did something wrong to allow Villa to get the ball in that position, and this is getting ignored.

Ironically I think you're ignoring what Justin actually does to get into a position where Maatsen has the ball to pass to Bailey... 

[adam]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

Right so you think at that point he should have just booted it out?

Ideally yes. Or pass it to a team mate.

[Richmondfox]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

I didnt watch the game, I looked at the highlights which showed justin couldnt reach the ball.  So I am asking how does he clear a ball he cant reach.

Are you sure you’re watching the highlights of the game against Villa? 
 

 1:23 is the 2nd Villa goal. 

[adam]

Just now, Richmondfox said:

Are you sure you’re watching the highlights of the game against Villa? 
 

 1:23 is the 2nd Villa goal. 

Think he's on the wrong game

[dillonpanthers87]

1 minute ago, Chrysalis said:

You havent said what those options are, I am still waiting.  Thank you for confirming you relying on MOTD highlights.  In my opinion you cant judge these things without full coverage, as there is a bigger picture.

 

How did the ball even get to Justin's area in the first place?

I've just watched it back myself. He had 10 full seconds on the ball. Without thinking about it too much, already I can see the options as (in a rough timeline)

 

1. Quick outball to SM possible - maybe risky but opens things up

2. Immediate backpass to keeper - plenty of time and space

3. Knock it long / concede a throw - no one would really complain

or 4. Short ball to CC who was calling for it - this was the last moment he had and he didn't take it

 

This is a professional footballer

[Chrysalis]

Just now, StanSP said:

Ironically I think you're ignoring what Justin actually does to get into a position where Maatsen has the ball to pass to Bailey... 

I am not ignoring JJ, but I find it really weird that consistently from game to game most fans ignore what happens before the ball gets into these positions as if they think that part of the game doesnt matter or something.

 

As an example we had people blaming JJ for a goal which came from Ricardo a fans favourite losing possession a minute or two before.

 

Defending is most definitely a team game, there should have been someone covering JJ there, and there wasnt.

 

You think JJ is the only player that loses out on one to one battles?

 

So JJ gets beaten and the attacker progresses, why wasnt the shot kept out, who was to blame for that?

 

Its the old game of looking for someone to blame from our fans, its just so toxic.

[StanSP]

Is he on about the Wolves debacle, as opposed to the Villa one and getting confused?! 

[adam]

Just now, StanSP said:

Is he on about the Wolves debacle, as opposed to the Villa one and getting confused?! 

Villa away 2022 I think

[Mickyblueeyes]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

I am not ignoring JJ, but I find it really weird that consistently from game to game most fans ignore what happens before the ball gets into these positions as if they think that part of the game doesnt matter or something.

 

As an example we had people blaming JJ for a goal which came from Ricardo a fans favourite losing possession a minute or two before.

 

Defending is most definitely a team game, there should have been someone covering JJ there, and there wasnt.

 

You think JJ is the only player that loses out on one to one battles?

 

So JJ gets beaten and the attacker progresses, why wasnt the shot kept out, who was to blame for that?

 

It’s the old game of looking for someone to blame from our fans, it’s just so toxic.

The attack came from Justin not clearing his lines or playing the simple pass. He wasn’t just beaten to the ball. No one is ignoring the issue. HE created the issue!

[StanSP]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

I am not ignoring JJ, but I find it really weird that consistently from game to game most fans ignore what happens before the ball gets into these positions as if they think that part of the game doesnt matter or something.

 

As an example we had people blaming JJ for a goal which came from Ricardo a fans favourite losing possession a minute or two before.

 

Defending is most definitely a team game, there should have been someone covering JJ there, and there wasnt.

 

You think JJ is the only player that loses out on one to one battles?

 

So JJ gets beaten and the attacker progresses, why wasnt the shot kept out, who was to blame for that?

 

Its the old game of looking for someone to blame from our fans, its just so toxic.

Again, you're ignoring the moments before Justin gets into a position he can't defend for. 

 

Yes, Faes could have blocked Bailey for the goal. Granted. 

 

But again, ironically you're absolving Justin from blame but in the same breath, ignoring what happens before he gets himself into a precarious position? 

 

Why has Justin not passed the ball earlier? Why has he hesitated for so long and decided not to a) pass it to someone or b) smash it long or out of play? 

 

What's one on one battles got to do with it? No one is arguing that part of defending? 

 

I don't like scapegoat and it's not about looking for someone to blame. 

 

It's highlighting Justin's severe shortcomings and regular mistakes leading to goals for the opposition. 

[dillonpanthers87]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The attack came from Justin not clearing his lines or playing the simple pass. He wasn’t just beaten to the ball. No one is ignoring the issue. HE created the issue!

Also this isn't a run of a few bad games - it's 4/10 or 5/10 at best all season. The manager needs to do the right thing for the team but also for the person. Justin I'm sure is a good lad, but he needs a break from the team as do the team from him. Hamza is not a RB, but he can be solid. 

RVN call though - will he keep sticking with players that are losing us games?

[Chrysalis]

10 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

Are you sure you’re watching the highlights of the game against Villa? 
 

 1:23 is the 2nd Villa goal. 

I feel like I am talking to a toddler who hasnt fully developed, do I really need to spell things out for people, jesus, here we go, one attempt at it, stay focused.  If you dont understand any of my points please let me know.

So the highlights for the second goal starts with a stray pass going to JJ, (this someone explained in the replies, it took a long time to get there, but we got there in the end).

 

JJ seemed a bit indecisive, but ends up passing to our number 10, who isnt alert to it and the possession is lost.  At this point one of our players should have closed up to give support.

At this point JJ is isolated with no one close to him, he correctly targets the number 22 whilst our number 10 is passive.

Sadly he is unable to get to the ball, and I think the only way he prevents the play progressing would be to foul their player, e.g. holding them back.

The player does a low paced cross into the box, two of our defenders dont react to it quick enough and goalie dives the wrong way,

 

So if you want my opinion, JJ could have done better but the same for 3 other of our players as well, as I said its a team game.

 

Yes he could have booted it out when he had the ball, I assume he didnt due to coaching instructions.

 

It still hasnt been explained how villa were so far forward up the pitch.  I expect all you guys think thats not relevant to the play.

Edited 5 January by Chrysalis

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Chrysalis said:

So if you want my opinion, JJ could have done better but the same for 3 other of our players as well, as I said its a team game.

 

Their errors are nowhere near as bad as Justin's dallying and delaying on the ball preceding it. 

 

1 minute ago, Chrysalis said:

Yes he could have booted it out when he had the ball, I assume he didnt due to coaching instructions.

I get this point but there comes a time where initiative needs to be used as well? 

Also, coaching instructions - is this only to pass to Ayew? Why not play the easy ball as the instruction ie to keeper, Coady, Winks...? 

 

I can't imagine the instruction is to wait to pass to Ayew all the time. 

[Dan]

It's honestly so bad with him now that I think you have to just put Choudhury there. He can do no worse.

 

His drop off is just mental. He's absolute rubbish now.