US Presidential Election 2024

[st albans fox]

15 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Additionally, let's not pretend January 6th 2021 didn't happen and Trump hasn't at least flirted with subverting democracy before.

He’s a narcissist 

if presidents were only allowed one term then he’d be nowhere near this election. He’s not be bothered about endorsements.

I cannot see any way that he’ll be able/allowed to change the constitution to run again and I believe that means he won’t really care who wins in 2028

Edited 28 October 2024 by st albans fox

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

so he did a very bad job of closing the drawbridge then if he originally allowed an open election 

Incompetence, not lack of trying. Additionally knowing that directly not allowing an open election would be too blatant to work and would generate too much resistance.

 

The direct attempt at interference in Georgia, and then the rhetoric that led directly to January 6th, were themselves the (slightly) more subtle attempt.

[leicsmac]

Just now, st albans fox said:

He’s a narcissist 

I cannot see any way that he’ll be able/allowed to change the constitution to run again and I believe that means he won’t really care who wins in 2028

The movement that he embodies, however, will. Which means there could be a line of successors ready to carry on his ideology.

[Zear0]

Just now, MPH said:

so he did a very bad job of closing the drawbridge then if he originally allowed an open election 

Don't disagree, but it's proof that he thinks he's above democracy. Don't forget that since then...

 

every Republican clerk who verifies votes, specifically those who stood up against him, have been replaced by loyalists. He's on tape saying "find me votes", literally trying to rig the election. 

 

The supreme Court have ruled as POTUS you can do whatever the flip you want so he knows he has immunity. 

 

He's literally said he'll lock up his opponents and the courts who have hindered him which is something he has the power to do. Whether it's four years in the wild, or the fact he's losing his marbles, his second term sounds frightening. 

 

But all of the above is irrelevant as, as a different poster articulated superbly, "Biden is old" so it's OK. 

 

 

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The movement that he embodies, however, will. Which means there could be a line of successors ready to carry on his ideology.

I don’t believe that they will be able to get behind a single person - they will disintegrate somewhat.  As an example, trump has been pushing the Israel card for some time.
 

a few nights ago there were concerned Muslims in Michigan feting him as their man whilst at the weekend you had out and out facists clapping along with support of the Jewish state when many of those people are primarily Jew haters. 
 

trump has somehow managed to square those circles (and many others which seems impossible ) - I very much doubt that anyone else will appear in four years who can do the same.  

Edited 28 October 2024 by st albans fox

[leicsmac]

Just now, st albans fox said:

I don’t believe that they will be able to get behind a single person - they will disintegrate somewhat.  As an example, trump has been pushing the Israel card for some time.
 

a few nights  ago there were Muslims in Michigan feting him as their man whilst at the weekend you had out and out facists clapping along with support of the Jewish state when many of those people are primarily Jew haters. 
 

trump has somehow managed to square those circles (and many others which seems impossible ) - I very much doubt that anyone else will appear in four years who can do the same.  

Well, let us hope we don't have to find out, and if we do, that you're right. More lives than a lot of people think are at stake.

[st albans fox]

Just now, leicsmac said:

Well, let us hope we don't have to find out, and if we do, that you're right. More lives than a lot of people think are at stake.

I’d actually be more concerned that trump doesn’t make it past year two and then Vance has a chance to actually appear competent as president in the eyes of the right which then leads him into re election probability 

[Dunge]

Cults need leaders. Trump’s followers worship him, but worship doesn’t tend to switch to a successor that easily. In fact, I reckon there would likely be a big split regarding who his successor would even be.

[leicsmac]

Well, with the two SC judges (along other things) Trump has already done damage to a lot of fundamental areas that will last a long time.

 

He doesn't need much more time to cause more, but the more time he and his ideology have with the levers of power, the more damage there will be.

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Zear0 said:

Don't disagree, but it's proof that he thinks he's above democracy. Don't forget that since then...

 

every Republican clerk who verifies votes, specifically those who stood up against him, have been replaced by loyalists. He's on tape saying "find me votes", literally trying to rig the election. 

 

The supreme Court have ruled as POTUS you can do whatever the flip you want so he knows he has immunity. 

 

He's literally said he'll lock up his opponents and the courts who have hindered him which is something he has the power to do. Whether it's four years in the wild, or the fact he's losing his marbles, his second term sounds frightening. 

 

But all of the above is irrelevant as, as a different poster articulated superbly, "Biden is old" so it's OK. 

 

 

 

Please don’t take my comments as being someone who likes Trump. I can’t say that enough.

[Zear0]

Just now, MPH said:

 

Please don’t take my comments as being someone who likes Trump. I can’t say that enough.

It's all good.  Never moved over like yourself, but worked over there for several years so am just utterly confused with the situation.

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Dunge said:

Cults need leaders. Trump’s followers worship him, but worship doesn’t tend to switch to a successor that easily. In fact, I reckon there would likely be a big split regarding who his successor would even be.

 

 Hard right Maga support is not enough to win the election. Period.

 

 

but the big area of concern is that his vote has increased amongst the African American and the Hispanic population. As well as now Muslim leaders coming out and endorsing him!

 

 

it seems to me the big question that no one is asking and we have to ask why?

 

 

I don’t think I know the answer../ other than the disillusionment for the Democrats runs high.  

[HighPeakFox]

50 minutes ago, MPH said:

Hard right Maga support is not enough to win the election. Period.

 

 

but the big area of concern is that his vote has increased amongst the African American and the Hispanic population. As well as now Muslim leaders coming out and endorsing him!

 

 

it seems to me the big question that no one is asking and we have to ask why?

 

 

I don’t think I know the answer../ other than the disillusionment for the Democrats runs high.  

I think it is about greed, and every religion and creed is divided along the lines of wealth/who is deserving.

[MPH]

Intresting take by Chris Cuomo former anchor at CNN. Brother to former New York Governor…

 

it’s just his opinion but it makes some sense..

 

 

[WigstonWanderer]

8 hours ago, MPH said:

 

as previously mentioned… he didn’t pull the drawbridge in his first 4 years as president..

Well he tried as hard as he could, plus much has changed since 2016. The guardrails are significantly weakened, particularly with the current Supreme Court and its bizarre decisions. The right are much more focused on distorting voting rules and I wouldn’t dismiss Project 2025 lightly either. The argument that Trump’s done 4 years so must be harmless is entirely bogus in my opinion.

 

Edit: Acknowledging others have made similar points above more articulately.

Edited 29 October 2024 by WigstonWanderer

[leicsmac]

5 hours ago, MPH said:

Intresting take by Chris Cuomo former anchor at CNN. Brother to former New York Governor…

 

it’s just his opinion but it makes some sense..

 

 

Another bloke that can't look beyond the border of his own country, and short term gain. Nothing that's not been said before, and none of it is a point.

[ozleicester]

I think Harris is going to win reasonably comfortably

[leicsmac]

34 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

I think Harris is going to win reasonably comfortably

I wish I shared your optimism having looked at the polling data, mate.

 

I really hope though, for everyone's sake, that you're right.

[Sir Steve Howard]

16 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Well, let us hope we don't have to find out, and if we do, that you're right. More lives than a lot of people think are at stake.

Again can't help but feel like this is very sensationalist, what's going to happen in the next 4 years that didn't happen in his first 4 years if he wins in Nov?

If you're talking about environmental concerns I suggest you look to the Far East

[MPH]

4 minutes ago, Sir Steve Howard said:

Again can't help but feel like this is very sensationalist, what's going to happen in the next 4 years that didn't happen in his first 4 years if he wins in Nov?

If you're talking about environmental concerns I suggest you look to the Far East

 

He’s probably talking about things like the Ukrainian war- Trump is very keen on the Ukrainians ceding land and power to the Russians and also.. if you think the  Palestinians have  suffered in Israel’s response under the guidance of  their Democratic friends,  then Trump is a whole new level of love and support for all things Israel. Also, the lives that will likely be destroyed by Trumps pledge to deport literally Millions of people from the United States could literally upend  so many lives… kids knowing no better will be ripped out of their school and away from their friends and they won’t even know why…

 

[Sir Steve Howard]

8 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

He’s probably talking about things like the Ukrainian war- Trump is very keen on the Ukrainians ceding land and power to the Russians and also.. if you think the  Palestinians have  suffered in Israel’s response under the guidance of  their Democratic friends,  then Trump is a whole new level of love and support for all things Israel. Also, the lives that will likely be destroyed by Trumps pledge to deport literally Millions of people from the United States could literally upend  so many lives… kids knowing no better will be ripped out of their school and away from their friends and they won’t even know why…

 

Trump's Ukraine-Russia stance will save a lot of lives. The current Western approach is to send thousands of Ukrainians into the meat grinder

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, Sir Steve Howard said:

Again can't help but feel like this is very sensationalist, what's going to happen in the next 4 years that didn't happen in his first 4 years if he wins in Nov?

If you're talking about environmental concerns I suggest you look to the Far East

 

Just now, MPH said:

 

He’s probably talking about things like the Ukrainian war- Trump is very keen on the Ukrainians ceding land and power to the Russians and also.. if you think the  Palestinians have  suffered in Israel’s response under the guidance of  their Democratic friends,  then Trump is a whole new level of love and support for all things Israel. Also, the lives that will likely be destroyed by Trumps pledge to deport literally Millions of people from the United States could literally upend  so many lives… kids knowing no better will be ripped out of their school and away from their friends and they won’t even know why…

 

Well, yeah, foreign policy including Ukraine and the Middle East will cost lives and suffering under a Trump administration.

 

The border will see many more people die looking to cross it/through detention and deportation, but because they're "illegal" apparently that's OK as a deterrent ("illegal" seems to mean "subhuman", apparently).

 

But to add to that:

 

Project 2025. Even if Trump himself distances himself from it, even if only some of it is implemented, it will have a massively detrimental effect on the lives of many women.

 

Mass deregulation of food and medicine (including an antivaxxer heading the whole thing up) will cost lives as companies decide paying lawsuits for dead people is cheaper than actually producing stuff at a standard that doesn't kill people.

 

Deregulation of healthcare systems, see above.

 

And yes, environmental concerns too. When I look to the Far East, I see China building more renewable energy infrastructure last year than the US has done in its entire history (India needs to catch up took). And as the second largest carbon emissions contributor wholesale and one of the largest by capita, the US can't simply point fingers and say they won't take part in the unified solution necessary simply because others might not be pulling their weight. Well, they can, but then they will rightly be remembered as one of those who were responsible for a death toll through flooding, drought, famine and war that dwarfs any other event in history.

[leicsmac]

Just now, Sir Steve Howard said:

Trump's Ukraine-Russia stance will save a lot of lives. The current Western approach is to send thousands of Ukrainians into the meat grinder

... by giving Uncle Vlad everything he wants?

 

Graveyards seldom breach a peace, I guess.

[Sir Steve Howard]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

... by giving Uncle Vlad everything he wants?

 

Graveyards seldom breach a peace, I guess.

Russia have warned about NATO expansion for decades.

The West promised they wouldn't do this and broke this promise again and again.

Poke the bear and see what happens

 

Ukraine were apparently ready to negotiate with Russia quite early on into the 'Special Military Operation' and our very own cretin Boris Johnson did everything in his power to prevent this from happening.

'Fighting to the last Ukrainian'. We obviously have no issue with Ukrainians dying for our agenda

Edited 29 October 2024 by Sir Steve Howard

[JonnyBoy]

anyone watch the bbc panorama programme last night on this election? fascinating stuff and biggest election ever for America people are saying. Could be a lot of unrest whatever the result 

Edited 29 October 2024 by JonnyBoy