1969 Moon Landing

[Zingari]

I'm not saying I believe one thing or another , but a question just keeps occurring to me .

If mythbusters and debunkers are so fookin clever at dispelling any questions as to why men have never walked on the moon , why don’t they get their clever dick arses over to China to explain to those dimwits how to actually get a manned mission to the moon before 2025 because the Chinese seem to be taking a flippin long while to catch up with 60’s technology ?

.That’s assuming that the Chinese actually achieve a manned moon mission by then .

http://china.globalt...-09/575264.html

[The Doctor]

I don't need an excuse! Take another look at the photos linked. I can't see a flag. Admit it, they are awful pictures that prove nothing.

Every single piece of 'evidence' you mention has been utterly debunked in the marvellous writing in the links I posted in my moon hoax thread quite recently. I'll just mention a couple again -

1. The reflectors mean nothing. People were reflecting beams off the moons surface years before the first 'landing'.

2. The moon rocks are not evidence of anything. Most of them have gone missing and some of the remaining have been found to be wood, not rock. Fakes. The other remaining rocks are the same as other rocks that have been found in the antarctic. They were not collected in space, but were collected from here on earth after landing here many moons ago.

Again, all utterly debunked. The series I linked to spends quite a bit of time on the people over at Bad Astronomy and also destroys the useless Mythbusters episode regarding the moon missions.

You folk obviously haven't read the series. When you have, maybe you can start to show the real evidence of the moon landings.

For anyone interested the link to parts 1,2 and 3 of the top series of debunking is at the bottom of the first post. Check it out for supreme awesomeness. Also look at the pictures (at the bottom of post #1) of the "Moon Craft" supposedly used to land on and take off from the moon. Anybody who believes that the pictured craft was up to the task is quite literally insane or totally clueless on what is required (by NASA's own admission) to land on and take off from the moon.

http://www.foxestalk...lk-hoax-thread/

So it's not HD quality - big whoop.

Tell you what - let's ignore this new photo: The Russians would have known what NASA were up to, yes? And revealing that the government was lying to it's people on such a grand scale would have helped the Russians in the cold war, yes?

So why when the fucking Russians, with all their knowledge, admit it happened - why do you insist that it didn't? Why do you consider "evidence" from the tin-foiled internet people as more accurate than a fucking organisation with full knowledge of what NASA were up to?

You are wrong, get over it.

[BoneDog]

I'm not saying I believe one thing or another , but a question just keeps occurring to me .

If mythbusters and debunkers are so fookin clever at dispelling any questions as to why men have never walked on the moon , why don’t they get their clever dick arses over to China to explain to those dimwits how to actually get a manned mission to the moon before 2025 because the Chinese seem to be taking a flippin long while to catch up with 60’s technology ?

.That’s assuming that the Chinese actually achieve a manned moon mission by then .

http://china.globalt...-09/575264.html

Good point.

NASA have also said that it is going to be another 20-30 years before they can manage a manned moon mission. And yet in the 60's they managed to design, build and prepare it all in just 7 or 8 years. And then they supposedly repeated that 'success' many more times in a short space of time. It's ludicrous when you take a look at the technology they supposedly used back then. Their computer equipment had the total memory of a modern digital watch.

Nowadays NASA don't even have the know-how to make the required space suits, because they lost the designs for the ones in the 60's! Maybe the designs are still lying around somewhere in the Playtex bra factory where they were made.

[BoneDog]

So it's not HD quality - big whoop.

Tell you what - let's ignore this new photo: The Russians would have known what NASA were up to, yes? And revealing that the government was lying to it's people on such a grand scale would have helped the Russians in the cold war, yes?

So why when the ****ing Russians, with all their knowledge, admit it happened - why do you insist that it didn't? Why do you consider "evidence" from the tin-foiled internet people as more accurate than a ****ing organisation with full knowledge of what NASA were up to?

You are wrong, get over it.

All of your points regarding Russia have been sorted out in the links I provided. It's politics. So, as I've read the links, I know that it is you, and not I who is wrong. No need to get over it, I'm happy for you to carry on as you are.

Are you saying that you can see a flag in the photos? They say they show flags and yet I cannot see one. I've looked very hard but still no joy.

[AdamN]

I'm not saying I believe one thing or another , but a question just keeps occurring to me .

If mythbusters and debunkers are so fookin clever at dispelling any questions as to why men have never walked on the moon , why don’t they get their clever dick arses over to China to explain to those dimwits how to actually get a manned mission to the moon before 2025 because the Chinese seem to be taking a flippin long while to catch up with 60’s technology ?

.That’s assuming that the Chinese actually achieve a manned moon mission by then .

http://china.globalt...-09/575264.html

"You do know that a flag can wave around in a vacuum, and a short exposure photo of a bright landscape is unlikely to show any stars?"

"My god, you're right! What were we thinking? We'll be on the moon by Tuesday!"

[fleckneymike]

All of your points regarding Russia have been sorted out in the links I provided. It's politics. So, as I've read the links, I know that it is you, and not I who is wrong. No need to get over it, I'm happy for you to carry on as you are.

Are you saying that you can see a flag in the photos? They say they show flags and yet I cannot see one. I've looked very hard but still no joy.

This beggars belief. To make things simpler let's agree you cannot see the flag, can you see the tyre tracks? Can you see the rover? Can you see the lander?

[BoneDog]

This beggars belief. To make things simpler let's agree you cannot see the flag, can you see the tyre tracks? Can you see the rover? Can you see the lander?

I'll have another look for tracks in a mo. Can you see a flag? Just wondering as that's what they are claiming the photo shows. I can't see one, so I'm disagreeing with their claim.

If there are tracks they are probably from the Russian rover that was already rolling on the moon's surface before the supposed first Apollo landing. I think the Russian craft (unmanned) had been there for three or four weeks before the US are supposed to have taken men there.

The Russians were way ahead of the US in space exploration and beat them to every milestone. Apart from walking on the moon of course!

[BrumFox]

anyone who thinks that it was faked is a complete moron

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[fleckneymike]

I'll have another look for tracks in a mo. Can you see a flag? Just wondering as that's what they are claiming the photo shows. I can't see one, so I'm disagreeing with their claim.

If there are tracks they are probably from the Russian rover that was already rolling on the moon's surface before the supposed first Apollo landing. I think the Russian craft (unmanned) had been there for three or four weeks before the US are supposed to have taken men there.

The Russians were way ahead of the US in space exploration and beat them to every milestone. Apart from walking on the moon of course!

It's not the Russian rover because that's already been found, plus they aren't in the same location.

To help you here's a charming photo of it

http://blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef01310fb158e5970c-pi

and here is a smashing pic of an American landing

[BoneDog]

This beggars belief. To make things simpler let's agree you cannot see the flag, can you see the tyre tracks? Can you see the rover? Can you see the lander?

I can't see a rover no. I can see a couple of black patches that look like they've been squiggled over on MSPaint. One of the black Paint patches has something inside it but the awful resolution renders the object unidentifiable.

I can see some tracks.

anyone who thinks that it was faked is a complete moron

/thread

I've got a GCSE B in woodwork so there goes your theory.

[fleckneymike]

I can't see a rover no. I can see a couple of black patches that look like they've been squiggled over on MSPaint. One of the black Paint patches has something inside it but the awful resolution renders the object unidentifiable.

I can see some tracks.

This just gets weirder. What do you imagine made the tracks on the moon in the exact location that Apollo 17 landed if it wasn't the Apollo 17 mission.

[The Doctor]

This just gets weirder. What do you imagine made the tracks on the moon in the exact location that Apollo 17 landed if it wasn't the Apollo 17 mission.

[BoneDog]

It's not the Russian rover because that's already been found, plus they aren't in the same location.

To help you here's a charming photo of it

http://blogs.discove...0fb158e5970c-pi

and here is a smashing pic of an American landing

(I've only deleted this pic to save space on the page)

I'm afraid the only thing that will convince me of a manned moon landing is a repeat event that I can witness on live tv with evidence! And since NASA and the Chinese say that that scenario is at least 25 years away I doubt I'll ever see it.

As for all the track photos I'd have to say that the tracks are from unmanned rovers and such, or are doctored on NASA pc's. All the photos look pretty unnatural and unconvincing to me in some way.

I'm very interested in all this space stuff and watch alot of telescope videos, so I wish I could believe in these man on the moon stories but I can't. I had my doubts before, but once I read the 'Wagging the Moondoggie' series that was it for me on that subject. I'm 99% certain that it was all a hoax. I'm also 99% certain that it is impossible for a human to travel any further away from earth than we have traveled in the last 25 years and that we as a species are trapped within the Van Allen Belts for eternity.

[fleckneymike]

I'm afraid the only thing that will convince me of a manned moon landing is a repeat event that I can witness on live tv with evidence! And since NASA and the Chinese say that that scenario is at least 25 years away I doubt I'll ever see it.

As for all the track photos I'd have to say that the tracks are from unmanned rovers and such, or are doctored on NASA pc's. All the photos look pretty unnatural and unconvincing to me in some way.

I'm very interested in all this space stuff and watch alot of telescope videos, so I wish I could believe in these man on the moon stories but I can't. I had my doubts before, but once I read the 'Wagging the Moondoggie' series that was it for me on that subject. I'm 99% certain that it was all a hoax. I'm also 99% certain that it is impossible for a human to travel any further away from earth than we have traveled in the last 25 years and that we as a species are trapped within the Van Allen Belts for eternity.

You are aware that the first moon landing was live?

I'm also interested that you find it more plausible that the US were able to send a ship to the moon, land on it, not once, not twice buy SIX times, dig some holes, take some photos bring back tones of rock and even bring back parts of a crashed probe but never bother putting some blokes in the capsule.

I'm still amazed that the conspiracy, according to you, extends beyond the US to the former Soviet Union (who if history and politics would have us believe were enemies of the US) and they willingly kept quite on the whole thing.

[BoneDog]

This just gets weirder. What do you imagine made the tracks on the moon in the exact location that Apollo 17 landed if it wasn't the Apollo 17 mission.

All tracks are from unmanned rovers in my opinion.

It's Aliens

It's not aliens.

It's human made machines. Either that or doctored photos.

I tend to believe option 1.

Being as you're such a smart arse I've got a question for you. Why can't NASA make a spacesuit capable of keeping a man alive on the moon in the 21st Century? I know they lost the original designs of the 1960's spacesuits, but surely somebody remembers what they were made of.

Here's another one - The computer you're using now to view FT is more powerful than all of the computers on the 60's space ships and at the control centre on earth put together, so why is it going to take NASA another 25 or so years to replicate something that they achieved in the 1960's?

[fleckneymike]

All tracks are from unmanned rovers in my opinion.

It's not aliens.

It's human made machines. Either that or doctored photos.

I tend to believe option 1.

Being as you're such a smart arse I've got a question for you. Why can't NASA make a spacesuit capable of keeping a man alive on the moon in the 21st Century? I know they lost the original designs of the 1960's spacesuits, but surely somebody remembers what they were made of.

Here's another one - The computer you're using now to view FT is more powerful than all of the computers on the 60's space ships and at the control centre on earth put together, so why is it going to take NASA another 25 or so years to replicate something that they achieved in the 1960's?

I was not and am not aware that NASA claim to be unable to make a space suit for the moon. Nor am I aware that they had lost the design so would be grateful if you could direct me to a verified source for these stories.

I believe the delay in returning to the moon is due in no small part to the finances involved. I assume that NASA are unwilling to build another Saturn V because the infrastructure to build such a machine no longer exists, therefore they will need to redesign the whole project from the boosters to the computer software.

As you are so keen on these sorts of things did the Conchord exist? I mean that was a supersonic passenger jet built in 1969 yet no other supersonic passenger jets exist today. Spooky.

[The People's Hero]

I was not and am not aware that NASA claim to be unable to make a space suit for the moon. Nor am I aware that they had lost the design so would be grateful if you could direct me to a verified source for these stories.

I believe the delay in returning to the moon is due in no small part to the finances involved. I assume that NASA are unwilling to build another Saturn V because the infrastructure to build such a machine no longer exists, therefore they will need to redesign the whole project from the boosters to the computer software.

As you are so keen on these sorts of things did the Conchord exist? I mean that was a supersonic passenger jet built in 1969 yet no other supersonic passenger jets exist today. Spooky.

But Conchord could exist again if there was a desire - the technology exists and we all know that.

Both the Chinese and the US have stated that putting a man on the moon is not currently possible. It just doesn't make sense. I don't know a huge amount about it, but El Empty is making some points that many of you are just avoiding or ignoring. You may not agree with his argument, but you have to confess that there are some interesting points he raises and the truth is there have been no answers or suggestions ventured to counter some of his points.

I personally believe the moon landing was a hoax. I'm not going to get in to a long, drawn out argument over this, but so much of it doesn't fit together. To believe it we are asked to take giant leaps of faith ie the US Government and NASA wouldn't lie to its citizens. Really?

[BoneDog]

You are aware that the first moon landing was live?

Yes, and one in three Americans at the time said it was faked. And they lost all of the original footage so it can never be verified. They lost hundreds of boxes of 'evidence' of the early missions. It just vanished which I find strange.

[Rincewind]

Forgotten how to make spacesuits for the Moon? Where has that story come from? If anything they have designs that are an improvement so would not need the original ones. Anyone with the right figures and the knowledge on how to imput them onto a computer could come up with something. They could be working on suits for landing on other planets like Mars.

[The People's Hero]

Yes, and one in three Americans at the time said it was faked. And they lost all of the original footage so it can never be verified. They lost hundreds of boxes of 'evidence' of the early missions. It just vanished which I find strange.

Yes. You'd think if Nasa/The US Govt didn't want to lose something, it might not get lost.. and if it did, there might be some effort to find it.

Unless of course if proved it was a hoax. But that must be just coincedence right?

[Rincewind]

The answer could be more simple. They are Americans.

[fleckneymike]

But Conchord could exist again if there was a desire - the technology exists and we all know that.

Both the Chinese and the US have stated that putting a man on the moon is not currently possible. It just doesn't make sense. I don't know a huge amount about it, but El Empty is making some points that many of you are just avoiding or ignoring. You may not agree with his argument, but you have to confess that there are some interesting points he raises and the truth is there have been no answers or suggestions ventured to counter some of his points.

I personally believe the moon landing was a hoax. I'm not going to get in to a long, drawn out argument over this, but so much of it doesn't fit together. To believe it we are asked to take giant leaps of faith ie the US Government and NASA wouldn't lie to its citizens. Really?

Of course it isn't currently possible, there is no current space programme. It's also not currently possible to build the Titanic but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

He raises no interesting points because none of his points are factually accurate (aside from his recent post that a recording of the live feed from the moon was wiped which again has nothing to do with actually landing on the moon as it was/is merely a recording of a live stream). You may like to acknowledge that there has been no evidence provided to show the moon landings didn't happen. There are many pieces of evidence which irrefuatbly show we have been to the moon on multiple occasions.

[fleckneymike]

Yes. You'd think if Nasa/The US Govt didn't want to lose something, it might not get lost.. and if it did, there might be some effort to find it.

Unless of course if proved it was a hoax. But that must be just coincedence right?

I think people are confused as to how TV works. The signal gets sent from the moon, we all watch it on our TV and someone records it incase the feed to TV's around the world gets interrupted. Losing the footage just means we don't have a really good copy of the live broadcast instead we have a slightly lower resolution copy. Fortunately that's not really much of a problem as everyone watched it live!

[Zingari]

I think people are confused as to how TV works. The signal gets sent from the moon, we all watch it on our TV and someone records it incase the feed to TV's around the world gets interrupted. Losing the footage just means we don't have a really good copy of the live broadcast instead we have a slightly lower resolution copy. Fortunately that's not really much of a problem as everyone watched it live!

I'm fairly sure we didn't watch a direct link . I think it was a second generation link from Australia

[Zingari]

Of course it isn't currently possible, there is no current space programme. It's also not currently possible to build the Titanic but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

He raises no interesting points because none of his points are factually accurate (aside from his recent post that a recording of the live feed from the moon was wiped which again has nothing to do with actually landing on the moon as it was/is merely a recording of a live stream). You may like to acknowledge that there has been no evidence provided to show the moon landings didn't happen. There are many pieces of evidence which irrefuatbly show we have been to the moon on multiple occasions.

Yes, basically all the so called mythbusters have debunked is everything about any possible moon hoax apart from those questions about how to overcome the technical difficulties of actually getting humans there and back safely .

If NASA managed to overcome these difficulties 40 odd years ago after only about 8 years planning , it still seems a little odd that the Chinese with all the massive advantantages in engineering and science (and one would imagine almost limitless manpower and budget etc) won't even be attempting it for another 13 years at least .

So let's not use the argument there isn't the will to do it or it's too expensive etc The Chinese are desperately trying to achieve it

Add to this that it's still not guaranteed to be achieved even then