The Ultimate Moonwalk Hoax Thread

[BoneDog]

It's that time of year again. There is a poll with simple options in order to gauge the percentage of people still belonging to The Lunatic Fringe.

The series of 'moonwalk doubting research' that I'm linking to at the bottom is an excellent read no matter which side you of the arguement you belong to, and most scientists will agree that this series puts the issue to bed once and for all*.

"In truth, the entire space program has largely been, from its inception, little more than an elaborate cover for the research, development and deployment of space-based weaponry and surveillance systems."

"To this day, no other spacecraft has been built that is capable of landing men on a planetary body. To this day, no other spacecraft has been built that is capable of taking off from and flying home from a planetary body. To this day, no other spacecraft has been built that is capable of performing rendezvous and docking maneuvers in lunar orbit. To this day, no spacecraft has been built that can protect astronauts from the hazards of flying through space outside of the Van Allen belts."

"It would appear that what was deployed by the mother ship to shuttle our guys down to the Moon was essentially an oversized Jiffy-Pop container (with the brainpower of a digital watch). The show’s narrator was quick to point out that the astronauts had to be very careful while moving about in their bulky suits lest they puncture or otherwise damage the delicate skin of the craft. What wasn’t pointed out was that the vacuum of space had to be very careful as well – careful not to rip the pressurized craft to shreds the instant it was deployed!"

Points raised in the series, among others, include the following :

• The computers at Mission Control (total computing power of a 2005 laptop), and the computers aboard the spaceships (equivalent memory capacity to that of a digital watch - about 76 kilobytes)

• A look at the main 'debunkers' who NASA advice skeptics to read to prove that we 'Moonwalked'.

• A slight poke of the 'space craft' with a finger and they were f*&ked.

• Modern technology not being advanced enough to send astronauts further than 400 miles outbound. Most only go to 200 miles up (in plain English that's London to Leeds). The moon journey was 234,000 miles. One way. And 234,000 miles more on the return. On one tank of fuel - incidentally about the same amount of fuel they now use to do the 200 mile trip.

• After having only 15 minutes experience of space travel the US declared that they were sending man to the Moon. They allegedly achieved this in 8 years, but today NASA says it will take them 20 years work to get a man on the Moon.

• The primary components of the current U.S. space program – the space shuttles, the space station, and the Hubble Telescope – operate at an orbiting altitude of about 200 miles (London to Leeds). In the twenty-first century, utilizing the most cutting-edge modern technology, the best manned spaceship the U.S. can build will only reach an altitude of 200 miles.

• Craft taking off from the moon without a ground crew.

• The missing moon rocks. The fake moon rocks. The Moon rocks from Antarctica and NASA Nazi Von Braun's research trip to Antarctica a couple of years before the first alleged manned Moon mission.

• The missing original 13,000+ reels of film and data. Yes that's right, the entire alleged records of the moon landings have vanished. The missing, according to NASA and its various subcontractors, original plans/blueprints for the lunar modules. And for the lunar rovers. And for the entire multi-sectioned Saturn V rockets.

• The Lunar Laser Ranging experiment baloney. In December 1966, National Geographic reported that scientists at MIT had been achieving essentially the same result for four years by bouncing a laser off the surface of the Moon. The New York Times added that the Soviets had been doing the same thing since at least 1963.

• The equipment to pack into the tiny modules that were landing on the Moon. You'd be lucky to fit it all into my house, but apparently they had no problem fitting it all into that 12 feet diameter module.

• The heating and cooling systems required (which I believe are not available today) to keep the astronauts safe in temperatures that fluctuate between 260° in sunlight and -280° out of sunlight.

• Info about possible reasons for hoaxing a manned Moon mission, including news about Vietnam I'd not heard, and also info I'd not heard about how far ahead of the US the Russians really were. The Russians beat them to most space milestones, including probes on The Moon and other bodies. The only thing that the US allegedly did first was......step on the Moon.

"There was much about the Apollo flights that was truly miraculous, but arguably the greatest technological achievement was the design of the lunar modules. Has anyone, by the way, ever really taken a good look at one of those contraptions? I mean a detailed, up-close look? I’m guessing that the vast majority of people have not, but luckily we can quickly remedy that situation because I happen to have some really good, high-resolution images that come directly from the good people at NASA." - from Part 2 of series.

This is truly amazing technology that no nation (including the US!) is yet to reproduce. There is no crater or surface disturbance from the 10,000lb reverse thrust engine that is essential for a soft landing, or whatever that upsidedown coal bucket thing is called under the ship. Footprints from lightweight men yes, but not a ripple caused by the dangerous landing.

Study the close up picture!

When you read how much equipment would be needed, the third picture makes you wonder how they packed it all into the craft, along with the Moon Buggy. I know that they say the buggy folded up but you have to laugh. NO ROOF RACK

Anyways, I advice anybody interested in general knowledge, space, photography (the author is a photographer and you might be able to verify his claims in Part 4) and big lies to read the series, it's worth it. It points out many absurdities in NASA's fairytales, and as the author states - who needs conspiracy theories when NASA have already done the hard work by concocting the most 'out there' and crazy story ever told.

* that's my quote about scientists from a survey of scientists I did.

Part One

http://davesweb.cnch...om/Apollo1.html

Part Two

http://davesweb.cnch...om/Apollo2.html

Part Three

http://davesweb.cnch...om/Apollo3.html

I was going to link all nine parts but you can click 'NEXT' at the bottom of each page to continue. There are 14 parts altogether.

[Webbo]

I was in Florida when a shuttle took off and it could be seen for miles. I remember ,as a small kid,on TV, seeing the capsule parachuting into the sea and being picked up by the navy and the astronauts climbing out. These things would be impossible to fake so the rocket must have took off and landed in the sea when they said it would with the people in it that they said would be in it.

[Zingari]

Many of the photographs have been doctored and Werner von Braun said himself that a manned moon landing was not really feasible due to the radiation effects of van allen and the weight of shielding required .

Armstong had only flown the LEM once before and had to eject, as it flew wildly out of control.He then confidently landed the second time on the moon , without a hint of trepidation in his voice .

As you point out , no manned craft has gone more that a few thousand miles out , and when the shuttle got even a little closer to van allen the astronauts became violently ill and radiation started to affect their vision. NASA themselves declared the belts to be more dangerous than they previously believed .

I dunno , but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a massive hoax.

edit;

i've not read/watched the links yet empty

[purpleronnie]

They walked on the moon.

/thread.

[I am Rod Hull]

The moon? pffft!

I saw Paul Kitson score against Maidstone in a league cup game at Dartfords ground.

And yes, the Maidstone keeper was fat.

[I am Rod Hull]

"Transformers, miffed robots in disguise"

It does look pissed off though, hands on hips....

[BoneDog]

I was in Florida when a shuttle took off and it could be seen for miles. I remember ,as a small kid,on TV, seeing the capsule parachuting into the sea and being picked up by the navy and the astronauts climbing out. These things would be impossible to fake so the rocket must have took off and landed in the sea when they said it would with the people in it that they said would be in it.

I'm not doubting that we have men in space. I'm also not doubting that we have sent craft to different planets.

The lies, I believe, are that we have sent men to the Moon. We have never sent a man through the Van Allen belt and never will do in my opinion, only unmanned craft.

Edit : All the info is in the seires, including info about the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the Moon. The suits apparently had miraculous heating and cooling systems that protect astronauts from flash freezing when out of the Sun (-280°), and from boiling alive when in the Sun (260°). We still don't have technology to match this today - probably because NASA lost the design sheets.

[Zingari]

I was in Florida when a shuttle took off and it could be seen for miles. I remember ,as a small kid,on TV, seeing the capsule parachuting into the sea and being picked up by the navy and the astronauts climbing out. These things would be impossible to fake so the rocket must have took off and landed in the sea when they said it would with the people in it that they said would be in it.

Shuttles are very different though as they stay in low earth orbit , below the van allen belts

It's like comparing going to the bottom of a swimming pool to plunging 200 meters down into the ocean . There are very different problems to deal with

[BoneDog]

"Transformers, miffed robots in disguise"

It does look pissed off though, hands on hips....

Yeah I thought hands on hips, with it's crepe paper torso and sticky-outty belly button It's a marvellous contraption.

[Finnegan]

The Russians would never have rested til they were rumbled if it was a hoax. The entire USSR's intelligence > a handful of bored, sceptic nerds.

[Webbo]

I'm not doubting that we have men in space. I'm also not doubting that we have sent craft to different planets.

The lies, I believe, are that we have sent men to the Moon. We have never sent a man through the Van Allen belt and never will do in my opinion, only unmanned craft.

Edit : All the info is in the seires, including info about the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the Moon. The suits apparently had miraculous heating and cooling systems that protect astronauts from flash freezing when out of the Sun (-280°), and from boiling alive when in the Sun (260°). We still don't have technology to match this today - probably because NASA lost the design sheets.

They must have sent the Apollo rocket up though, the astronauts must have been in space for the period when they said they were, not acting on some film set.As these things can be tracked from earth they must have been at least orbiting the moon, in the dangerous radiation.

[Vacamion]

• Modern technology not being advanced enough to send astronauts further than 400 miles outbound. Most only go to 200 miles up (in plain English that's London to Leeds). The moon journey was 234,000 miles. One way. And 234,000 miles more on the return. On one tank of fuel - incidentally about the same amount of fuel they now use to do the 200 mile trip.

Is Newton's 1st law of motion faked, too?

[Rincewind]

Glad there were more than two choices. I can see the third winning.

One vote for no. I wonder who that could be?

[BoneDog]

Many of the photographs have been doctored and Werner von Braun said himself that a manned moon landing was not really feasible due to the radiation effects of van allen and the weight of shielding required .

Armstong had only flown the LEM once before and had to eject, as it flew wildly out of control.He then confidently landed the second time on the moon , without a hint of trepidation in his voice .

As you point out , no manned craft has gone more that a few thousand miles out , and when the shuttle got even a little closer to van allen the astronauts became violently ill and radiation started to affect their vision. NASA themselves declared the belts to be more dangerous than they previously believed .

I dunno , but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a massive hoax.

edit;

i've not read/watched the links yet empty

Good info... keep it coming if you think of any more! I think you'd be interested in the links if you ever get round to reading them, and also maybe the other one I mentioned to purpleronnie

They walked on the moon.

/thread.

I admire your confidence but I doubt it would remain at the same level if you read the "Wagging the Moondoggie" series!

You'd probably enjoy another series on his homepage that is all about the music industry in the 60's and 70's, and the strange connections to the Military Industrial Complex. All about culture creation.

The Russians would never have rested til they were rumbled if it was a hoax. The entire USSR's intelligence > a handful of bored, sceptic nerds.

Yeah cos we can trust the Russians all of the time. All governments have all manner of dirty secrets to use as silencers to other governments, so the Russians not saying anything means nadda. Plus, there is the possibility that the leaders of the two countries are not actually enemies.

I think that if you ever read the articles then you would realise how silly it all is.

I must also declare that I'm no nerd, even though my Mrs sometimes says so.

[BoneDog]

Is Newton's 1st law of motion faked, too?

Does that mean that they sort of floated there? And that they wouldn't have needed much fuel for the take off from the Moon?

What about the impossible docking back onto the mothership, which was travelling around 4000kph 80 miles up. They had to safely dock (in that flimsy aerodynamic module) to the mothership.

And why can nobody reproduce a craft that can safely land on another planet, and then sometime later, safely launch back off said planet? Is it because NASA lost the original plans for the modules? I'd love to know what kind of technology they used, but I've heard that modern science has no way of checking the facts, because of the missing 700 boxes of data.

[The Doctor]

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

Please stop with this nonsense. The USSR government would have called America up on it pretty much straight away to get themselves a nice little win and increase their support within the public.

[Webbo]

And why can nobody reproduce a craft that can safely land on another planet, and then sometime later, safely launch back off said planet?

Why would anyone want to?

[BoneDog]

I musn't forget to post the last manned lift-off from the Moon.

"I can’t be 100% certain of this, of course, but I have a very strong hunch that NASA picked up the footage off the cutting-room floor after Ed Wood had finished editing Plan 9 From Outer Space. Actually, I probably shouldn’t joke about the clip because I do feel kind of bad for the guy that they had to leave behind to operate the camera. I wonder how he’s doing these days?

Actually, NASA claims that the camera was mounted on the abandoned lunar rover, and that the pan and zoom functions were operated remotely by the ground crew back on Earth. You couldn’t control your television from across the living room in those days, but NASA could pan and zoom a camera from 234,000 miles away. Awesome! And there apparently either wasn’t any delay in the signal or NASA had the foresight to hire a remote camera operator who was able to see a few seconds into the future.

You really have to hand it to the NASA boys – those guys think of everything." - from Part Five

[The Doctor]

Actually, NASA claims that the camera was mounted on the abandoned lunar rover, and that the pan and zoom functions were operated remotely by the ground crew back on Earth. You couldn’t control your television from across the living room in those days, but NASA could pan and zoom a camera from 234,000 miles away. Awesome! And there apparently either wasn’t any delay in the signal or NASA had the foresight to hire a remote camera operator who was able to see a few seconds into the future.

Do you not think that maybe, just maybe, NASA might have had slightly more advanced technology than the general public?

[BoneDog]

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

Please stop with this nonsense. The USSR government would have called America up on it pretty much straight away to get themselves a nice little win and increase their support within the public.

This is not nonsense, it's man business. The Moonwalk hoax is the adult equivalent of the Easter Bunny. You may say that 'God' is the equivalent, but we will see that the advancement of science points more and more to a miraculous design in everything, hence a Creator. The same advancement in science and technology points more and more to the Moonwalk being a hoax. As the writer of the series points out, "The Moonwalk lie has a shelf-life."

Russia did win. They were light years ahead of the US in their space program.

"The Soviets achieved the first fly-by of the Moon, launched the first craft to impact the Moon, were the first to make a soft landing on the Moon, put the first object into lunar orbit, and remain, to this day, the only nation to land and operate a robotic vehicle on the Moon. It should now make perfect sense to everyone then why the Soviets, who were ahead of us in virtually all aspects of space exploration, in some cases by decades, never landed a man on the Moon. Or even sent a man to orbit the Moon. Come to think of it, they never even sent a dog to the Moon.

It would be difficult to argue that the Russians didn’t have adequate funding for their space program, or that they didn’t have some of the finest scientific minds on the planet working for that space program, or that they didn’t have the will and desire to succeed. What they were lacking, I’m thinking, is access to Hollywood production facilities."

Here's a list of Soviet firsts :

May 15, 1957 – The Soviet Union tests the R-7 Semyorka, the world’s first intercontinental ballistic missile.

October 4, 1957 – The Soviets launch Sputnik 1, Earth’s first manmade satellite.

November 3, 1957 – A dog named Laika becomes the first animal to enter Earth orbit aboard Sputnik 2. Unfortunately for Laika though, she isn’t booked for a return flight.

January 2, 1959 – Luna 1 becomes the first manmade object to leave Earth’s orbit.

September 13, 1959 – After an intentional crash landing, Luna 2 becomes the first manmade object on the Moon.

October 6, 1959 – Luna 3 provides mankind with its first look at the far side of the Moon.

August 20, 1960 – Belka and Strelka, aboard Sputnik 5, are the first animals to safely return from Earth orbit.

October 14, 1960 – Marsnik 1, the first probe sent from Earth to Mars, blasts off.

February 12, 1961 – Venera 1, the first probe sent from Earth to Venus, blasts off.

April 12, 1961 – Yuri Gagarin, riding aboard the Vostok 1, becomes the first man in Earth orbit.

May 19, 1961 – Venera 1 performs the first ever fly-by of another planet (Venus).

August 6, 1961 – Gherman Titov, aboard the Vostok 2, becomes the first man to spend over a day in space and the first to sleep in Earth orbit.

August 11 & 12, 1962 – Vostok 3 and Vostok 4 are launched, the first simultaneous manned space flights (though they do not rendezvous).

October 12, 1964 – Voskhod 1, carrying the world’s first multi-man crew, is launched.

March 18, 1965 – Aleksei Leonov, riding aboard the Voskhod 2, performs the first space-walk.

February 3, 1966 – Luna 9 becomes the first probe to make a controlled, ‘soft’ landing on the Moon.

March 1, 1966 – Venera 3, launched November 16, 1965, becomes the first probe to impact another planet (Venus).

April 3, 1966 – Luna 10 becomes the first manmade lunar satellite.

October 30, 1967 – Cosmos 186 and Cosmos 188 become the first unmanned spacecraft to rendezvous and dock in Earth orbit. The United States will not duplicate this maneuver for nearly four decades.

January 16, 1969 – Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5 become the first manned spacecraft to dock in Earth orbit and the first to exchange crews.

November 17, 1970 – Lunokhod 1, the first robotic rover to land on and explore an extraterrestrial body, lands on the Moon. Twenty-seven years later, the United States lands it’s very first robotic rover on Mars.

December 15, 1970 – Venera 7 becomes the first probe to make a soft landing on another planet (Venus).

April 19, 1971 – Salyut 1 becomes the world’s first orbiting space station.

August 22, 1972 – Mars 2 becomes the first probe to reach the surface of Mars

The first to do it all.

Part Seven - http://davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo7.html

[Rincewind]

Yes. They spent millions on the missions then cock it up with schoolboy errors.

[BoneDog]

Do you not think that maybe, just maybe, NASA might have had slightly more advanced technology than the general public?

What about the delay then? And what about the bloody video?!! Have you seen it?

The US had trouble sending satellite signals back from the desert of the Middle East in the 80's. Yet you are saying that they could relay 'live' picture and sound to the Moon and back in the 60's, with no delay!

Yes. They spent millions on the missions then cock it up with schoolboy errors.

The articles go into the money issue, and it didn't all go into the space mission.

[ronnup]

Definitely nt clear cut. What gets me is that people who say no are always very well informed, whereas people who say yes generally just make sweeping uninformed statements. (I don't mean in this instance, just generally)

Fascinating read though as is the Laurel Canyon stuff. Insane.

[BoneDog]

Glad there were more than two choices. I can see the third winning.

One vote for no. I wonder who that could be?

'No' would win if people who voted knew the facts.

If you read the articles you would no doubt know more facts about the 60's and 70's missions than you currently do. They taught me more than a thing or two.

[The Doctor]

This is not nonsense, it's man business. The Moonwalk hoax is the adult equivalent of the Easter Bunny. You may say that 'God' is the equivalent, but we will see that the advancement of science points more and more to a miraculous design in everything, hence a Creator. The same advancement in science and technology points more and more to the Moonwalk being a hoax. As the writer of the series points out, "The Moonwalk lie has a shelf-life."

I'm sorry - what?

Not at all, the further we progress, the more we find natural causes and reasons for things - marginalising god. Advancement of science starts to fill in the gaps that were once used as an argument for God.

Advancement of science will not prove there is no god - such a thing would be impossible, but it'll pretty much leave him meaningless.

Russia did win. They were light years ahead of the US in their space program.

"The Soviets achieved the first fly-by of the Moon, launched the first craft to impact the Moon, were the first to make a soft landing on the Moon, put the first object into lunar orbit, and remain, to this day, the only nation to land and operate a robotic vehicle on the Moon. It should now make perfect sense to everyone then why the Soviets, who were ahead of us in virtually all aspects of space exploration, in some cases by decades, never landed a man on the Moon. Or even sent a man to orbit the Moon. Come to think of it, they never even sent a dog to the Moon.

It would be difficult to argue that the Russians didn’t have adequate funding for their space program, or that they didn’t have some of the finest scientific minds on the planet working for that space program, or that they didn’t have the will and desire to succeed. What they were lacking, I’m thinking, is access to Hollywood production facilities."

Here's a list of Soviet firsts :

****ing massive list.

Except of course, they didn't put a man on the moon first - the entire point of the race.