Gary Rowett

[old koppite]

I think we’ve had more “almost moments” under GR. For example Dakas header second half against Boro, LTs header at the end of Ipswich, Dakas header on Saturday and Ben’s scorpion on Saturday ( which I think would have fallen to DM for a tap in?). I can’t remember us having such great chances to win games during Marti’s last games. 

[HankMarvin]

14 minutes ago, old koppite said:

I think we’ve had more “almost moments” under GR

Yet the xPts over the last 6 games is 6.6, the 5th worst in the league 

Edited 24 March by HankMarvin

[CL Fox]

1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Seriously look at the resources difference between us and Oxford, they have been punching above their weight in reality, they will struggle. They still outclassed us at home under Cifuentes . He was utter crap, dogshit, the biggest clown ever to manage this club. 

Yes and look at Rowett's record here... its not that good. Statistically worse than Marti.

[LCFCJohn]

The difference is, in some of the games under Rowett, we can say we did enough that we could have won. Under Cifuentes, even the majority of the games that we did win were very fortunate and we were outplayed every week. 
 

Cifuentes got lucky with how many points he got in the end.

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, CL Fox said:

Yes and look at Rowett's record here... its not that good. Statistically worse than Marti.

Cifuentes managed 31 games, Rowett 7.

 

I'd rather Rowett over Cifuentes any day. 

[turtmcfly]

20 hours ago, Uncle Monty said:

Oof that's a hot take mate. He was immense for us. He's a proper nob, but I don't think you can argue that he was anything other than class when playing for us.

 

Christ. It's not even luke warm.

 

An atrociously "tired and emotional" attempt to comment on something that has long bugged me (the memetic exaggeration football fans are prone to - something I'm obviously more than capable of when posting on holiday at 1.20 in the morning).

 

[Craig]

Wrong thread  

Edited 24 March by Craig

[Foxin_Mad]

2 hours ago, CL Fox said:

Yes and look at Rowett's record here... its not that good. Statistically worse than Marti.

I am not having that any manager is worse than that Marti Clown, he is the worst manager this club as ever had. He has managed to get the most expensive squad to be in the bottom 3, thats some achievement of shitness. I dont understand why people are still trying to defend that pathetic diatribe that he was serving up week on week. There is at best 2 games when he was in charge that we deserved to win, other than that pure luck. 

 

At least now the performances are mildly better. Its irrelevant comparing a guy who had most the season to utterly destroy any element of quality the club had with a guy who has been brought in to try and bail out the sinking Titanic. 

 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

36 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

The difference is, in some of the games under Rowett, we can say we did enough that we could have won. Under Cifuentes, even the majority of the games that we did win were very fortunate and we were outplayed every week. 
 

Cifuentes got lucky with how many points he got in the end.

I don't see how anyone who has actually watched the utter incoherent sideways and backwards shit his teams served up, could defend him. Honestly 6 points were maybe deserved, the rest very very lucky. 

[CL Fox]

11 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I am not having that any manager is worse than that Marti Clown, he is the worst manager this club as ever had. He has managed to get the most expensive squad to be in the bottom 3, thats some achievement of shitness. I dont understand why people are still trying to defend that pathetic diatribe that he was serving up week on week. There is at best 2 games when he was in charge that we deserved to win, other than that pure luck. 

 

At least now the performances are mildly better. Its irrelevant comparing a guy who had most the season to utterly destroy any element of quality the club had with a guy who has been brought in to try and bail out the sinking Titanic. 

 

 

Im not defending it, im just saying Rowett has so far been worse.

[CL Fox]

35 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Cifuentes managed 31 games, Rowett 7.

 

I'd rather Rowett over Cifuentes any day. 

First 7 games of Marti....

 

3 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss.

 

Im not saying Marti was good but I dont understand how anyone can say we've improved under Rowett is beyond me.

 

 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

9 minutes ago, CL Fox said:

First 7 games of Marti....

 

3 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss.

 

Im not saying Marti was good but I dont understand how anyone can say we've improved under Rowett is beyond me.

 

 

 

Which proves the point, The Spanish fellow made us WORSE!

 

He started off with Kings preseason, slowly but surely he injected utter shit into every aspect, to the point we lost to Oxford. He deserved very few of the wins she did get, maybe 2 at best. 

 

Again you cant compare a bloke who was brough in to save a sinking ship unable to keep a clean sheet after months of rot with someone who was in at the start of the fresh season.

 

We have improved generally if you actually watch the games, we were utterly unwatchable under that Marti fellow. 

Edited 24 March by Foxin_Mad

[CL Fox]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Which proves the point, The Spanish fellow made us WORSE!

 

He started off with Kings preseason, slowly but surely he injected utter shit into every aspect, to the point we lost to Oxford. He deserved very few of the wins she did get, maybe 2 at best. 

 

Again you cant compare a bloke who was brough in to save a sinking ship unable to keep a clean sheet after months of rot with someone who was in at the start of the fresh season.

 

We have improved generally if you actually watch the games, we were utterly unwatchable under that Marti fellow. 

Kings pre-season....all that great work he did.

[HankMarvin]

35 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

he is the worst manager this club as ever had. He has managed to get the most expensive squad to be in the bottom 3

14th when he was sacked. 
As much as I don’t like the bloke I don’t think he can be blamed for a points deduction and the shambles of a board giving the temporary gig to someone with no desire to touch it with a bargepole 

Edited 24 March by HankMarvin

[Foxin_Mad]

2 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

14th when he was sacked. 
As much as I don’t like the bloke I don’t think he can be blamed for a points deduction and the shambles of a board giving the temporary gig to someone with no desire to touch it with a bargepole 

He was on a massive downward trajectory. Honestly I have never seen a team so badly coached, awful, getting worse week on week. He picked up a few lucky wins thanks from moments of quality from Abdul and James. He was a shit manager, and he was taking us down. I invite people to list the number of games won under the useless shit that we actually deserved to win and looked better than the opposition, I count 2 at best. 

[Jabbaranks]

1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

He was on a massive downward trajectory. Honestly I have never seen a team so badly coached, awful, getting worse week on week. He picked up a few lucky wins thanks from moments of quality from Abdul and James. He was a shit manager, and he was taking us down. I invite people to list the number of games won under the useless shit that we actually deserved to win and looked better than the opposition, I count 2 at best. 

I never rated the bloke, but all of the above is not exclusive to him, the same would apply to Cooper and RVN. Over the last 2 seasons I'd genuinely like to see how many of the games we won that we absolutely deserved to win. Fingers of one hand (Of a Cov fan)?

[Les-TA-Jon]

11 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

He was on a massive downward trajectory. Honestly I have never seen a team so badly coached, awful, getting worse week on week. He picked up a few lucky wins thanks from moments of quality from Abdul and James. He was a shit manager, and he was taking us down. I invite people to list the number of games won under the useless shit that we actually deserved to win and looked better than the opposition, I count 2 at best. 

 

6 minutes ago, Jabbaranks said:

I never rated the bloke, but all of the above is not exclusive to him, the same would apply to Cooper and RVN. Over the last 2 seasons I'd genuinely like to see how many of the games we won that we absolutely deserved to win. Fingers of one hand (Of a Cov fan)?

I think you have to go back to the Maresca season to find a game that 1) we deserved to win and/or 2) was the result of our pattern of play/structure/tactics rather than individual quality. 

 

Of course, there's nothing wrong with individual quality and it's a good thing to have players who can score worldies/create something out of nothing - but the issue is it's not sustainable/reliable

[Jabbaranks]

2 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

 

I think you have to go back to the Maresca season to find a game that 1) we deserved to win and/or 2) was the result of our pattern of play/structure/tactics rather than individual quality. 

 

Of course, there's nothing wrong with individual quality and it's a good thing to have players who can score worldies/create something out of nothing - but the issue is it's not sustainable/reliable

I know Maresca was playing with a much chunkier deck, but makes you realise what a decent manager he is/was - for us to have walked this division in the way we did with 6 or 7 of the current team/squad a key part of that is a massive outlier to everything that's happened over the last 5 years. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

6 minutes ago, Jabbaranks said:

I know Maresca was playing with a much chunkier deck, but makes you realise what a decent manager he is/was - for us to have walked this division in the way we did with 6 or 7 of the current team/squad a key part of that is a massive outlier to everything that's happened over the last 5 years. 

I agree. Maresca is by far the best manager we've had since the best bits under Rodgers. 

 

Even though you caveated for this - Maresca did have a significantly better squad at his disposal. 

Hermansen, Faes, Vestergaard, Justin, Ricky P enjoying his inverted role, Ndidi, a fully motivated Winks, KDH in fine form, McAteer making an unexpected contribution (especially early in the season), Mavidid and Fatawu on fire, Vardy rolling back the years, Daka making a decent contribution and Iheanacho chipping in too. Nevermind reasonable rotation options in Yunus, Casadei, Albrighton, Choudhury

Edited 24 March by Les-TA-Jon

[Fox92]

54 minutes ago, CL Fox said:

First 7 games of Marti....

 

3 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss.

 

Im not saying Marti was good but I dont understand how anyone can say we've improved under Rowett is beyond me.

 

 

 

It's not as black and white as comparing the first 7 games and deciding who is better. 

 

Rowett's first 7 games included games against Ipswich, Norwich, Middlesbrough and Watford. These are difficult games, especially when you're coming into a team that are conceding goals and getting beat every week. 

 

We have definitely improved but not in terms of stats you are referencing but football doesn't work like that. 

[Foxin_Mad]

38 minutes ago, Jabbaranks said:

I never rated the bloke, but all of the above is not exclusive to him, the same would apply to Cooper and RVN. Over the last 2 seasons I'd genuinely like to see how many of the games we won that we absolutely deserved to win. Fingers of one hand (Of a Cov fan)?

We havent even won that many games, but the Spanish fellow should have done better, well if he was a semi competent manager, which he wasn't. A big problem is idiots keep employing idiots, but this gutless pathetic style we have insisted on doesn't help. 

 

32 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

 

I think you have to go back to the Maresca season to find a game that 1) we deserved to win and/or 2) was the result of our pattern of play/structure/tactics rather than individual quality. 

 

Of course, there's nothing wrong with individual quality and it's a good thing to have players who can score worldies/create something out of nothing - but the issue is it's not sustainable/reliable

I think theres probably been a few games, in this division with this squad its indefensible really. Ill never be convinced that the Marti fellow was any good, because he wasn't! 

[CL Fox]

28 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

It's not as black and white as comparing the first 7 games and deciding who is better. 

 

Rowett's first 7 games included games against Ipswich, Norwich, Middlesbrough and Watford. These are difficult games, especially when you're coming into a team that are conceding goals and getting beat every week. 

 

We have definitely improved but not in terms of stats you are referencing but football doesn't work like that. 

It's not but on any metric Rowett has done worse and people are saying hes far better.

 

Averaging a point a game - lower than Marti

Expected points of 6.6- still lower than Marti

Less than points Marti's last 7 games

Less points than Marti's first 7 games

 

I'm not saying Marti is good but you just can't really say Rowett is better. I know he'll obviously appeal to our fanbase because he's not foreign and hes got a gravelly voice but theres nothing to say hes improved them. Norwich and QPR are two of the worst performances we've had all season.

[Les-TA-Jon]

7 minutes ago, CL Fox said:

It's not but on any metric Rowett has done worse and people are saying hes far better.

 

Averaging a point a game - lower than Marti

Expected points of 6.6- still lower than Marti

Less than points Marti's last 7 games

Less points than Marti's first 7 games

 

I'm not saying Marti is good but you just can't really say Rowett is better. I know he'll obviously appeal to our fanbase because he's not foreign and hes got a gravelly voice but theres nothing to say hes improved them. Norwich and QPR are two of the worst performances we've had all season.

Well you say on any metric but only list 4. I don't have the hard data to back it up, but most people's 'eye test' is that we look quite a bit more organised, especially defensively, under Rowett, more clean sheets and appear to be running more/showing a bit more application. 

[CL Fox]

12 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Well you say on any metric but only list 4. I don't have the hard data to back it up, but most people's 'eye test' is that we look quite a bit more organised, especially defensively, under Rowett, more clean sheets and appear to be running more/showing a bit more application. 

You can have more metrics if you want?

[HankMarvin]

14 minutes ago, CL Fox said:

It's not but on any metric Rowett has done worse and people are saying hes far better.

 

Averaging a point a game - lower than Marti

Expected points of 6.6- still lower than Marti

Less than points Marti's last 7 games

Less points than Marti's first 7 games

 

I'm not saying Marti is good but you just can't really say Rowett is better. I know he'll obviously appeal to our fanbase because he's not foreign and hes got a gravelly voice but theres nothing to say hes improved them. Norwich and QPR are two of the worst performances we've had all season.

Needs to start winning more games and I guess it wouldn’t even be a topic up for discussion. 
For the record Bloomfield has come in at Oxford and is earning more points per game and doing a better job. So I don’t think it’s quite as clear cut as some imagine.

We are certainly easier on the eye to watch but at the end of the day it’s a results business and accumulating a point a game doesn’t look like it will be enough when others at the bottom excluding Portsmouth are getting more points currently.