davieG Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 More people in the world are now obese than suffering from malnutrition (can't remember where the info came from) Fresh veg & meat/fish often works out cheaper than ready meals especially when there's two or more people eating the meal Most celebrity chefs are self seeking publicists and why people want to watch them I don't know, it would seem that vey few people that do watch themactually bother to cook the recipe they've seen.
Head Honcho Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 I'm no fan of Jamie Oliver and while his school meal crusade is admirable his outburst at parents in general calling them tossers and assholes shows just what a foul mothed **** he really is. Okay no parent should feed their kids crsips, sweets and pop alone but am i the only one getting a little sick and tired of all this sanctomonious clap trap. Next he will be going to a football ground telling us we can't have a pie and a pint. What are you on about you pillock? He's trying to prevent parents from feeding their children to death. What you seem to forget, or maybe it's ignorance? Is the impact all the obese kids of today will have on the health system in years to come! I kid you not, it will be overwhelming. So when not so little Johnny is in hospital waiting for his new heart don't say you wasn't warned A few problems children will face later in life due to obesity: Obesity Health Risks - Children & Adolescents Risk factors for heart disease, such as high cholesterol and high blood pressure, occur with increased frequency in overweight children and adolescents compared to those with a healthy weight. Type 2 diabetes, previously considered an adult disease, has increased dramatically in children and adolescents. Overweight and obesity are closely linked to type 2 diabetes. Overweight adolescents have a 70% chance of becoming overweight or obese adults. This increases to 80% if one or more parent is overweight or obese. The most immediate consequence of overweight, as perceived by children themselves, is social discrimination. Source: US Surgeon General (2002) Being called a tosser by a celebrity chef should be the least of your worries!
Fez of Mahrez Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 Fat people piss me off. If I pay for a seat on a train, at the football or at the cinema I demand to be able to sit on all of it.
Janx Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 If people want to eat sh1t ... thats up to them.... but feeding kids sh1t, when they dont have a choice in what is put in their mouths by parents, grandparents or schools ... is OUT OF ORDER! Have you ever watched that "you are what you eat" programme with that poison dwarf McKeith.. OK love it or hate it, it OFTEN shows parents shovelling platefuls of lard down the gullets of their "beloved" little children, only to break down in massive tears and emotions when it is pointed out that they are killing them. Financial restriction or no, you CAN eat more healthily and provide a balanced diet for kids. A lot of todays "eating disorders" are emotionally based, perhaps for example, the parent who is lardy will find solace in food.... dangerous when you have a few kids knocking around the place, as it is likely they will pass on those eating habits to the kids, and frankly children are not the best at making "life choices".. after all...they'r CHILDREN! incidentally, a study was once made in Switzerland on a group of children, and for 30 days they were allowed to pick exactly what they wanted. After the initial ice cream and choc fest, they allegedly all began to settle down and actually created a balanced diet for themselves. SO if Mr and Mrs Tubbs feed Johnny and Gilly Tubbs crap-in-a-box for every meal, they will end up getting blobby, perhaps we should let the kids buy the groceries after all???
Guest Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 If people want to eat sh1t ... thats up to them....but feeding kids sh1t, when they dont have a choice in what is put in their mouths by parents, grandparents or schools ... is OUT OF ORDER! Have you ever watched that "you are what you eat" programme with that poison dwarf McKeith.. OK love it or hate it, it OFTEN shows parents shovelling platefuls of lard down the gullets of their "beloved" little children, only to break down in massive tears and emotions when it is pointed out that they are killing them. Financial restriction or no, you CAN eat more healthily and provide a balanced diet for kids. A lot of todays "eating disorders" are emotionally based, perhaps for example, the parent who is lardy will find solace in food.... dangerous when you have a few kids knocking around the place, as it is likely they will pass on those eating habits to the kids, and frankly children are not the best at making "life choices".. after all...they'r CHILDREN! incidentally, a study was once made in Switzerland on a group of children, and for 30 days they were allowed to pick exactly what they wanted. After the initial ice cream and choc fest, they allegedly all began to settle down and actually created a balanced diet for themselves. SO if Mr and Mrs Tubbs feed Johnny and Gilly Tubbs crap-in-a-box for every meal, they will end up getting blobby, perhaps we should let the kids buy the groceries after all??? I would take my hat off to you, if I were wearing one.
Shum Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 Fat people piss me off. If I pay for a seat on a train, at the football or at the cinema I demand to be able to sit on all of it. Skinny people piss me off coz they chat shit like you!
Fez of Mahrez Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 Skinny people piss me off coz they chat shit like you! <_< Valid gripe. Some of the fatties I've had to endure, see how they like it to have someone squeezing them out of their seat for 90 minutes after they've paid £25.
Janx Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 I would take my hat off to you, if I were wearing one.
Head Honcho Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 If people want to eat sh1t ... thats up to them.... but feeding kids sh1t, when they dont have a choice in what is put in their mouths by parents, grandparents or schools ... is OUT OF ORDER! Have you ever watched that "you are what you eat" programme with that poison dwarf McKeith.. OK love it or hate it, it OFTEN shows parents shovelling platefuls of lard down the gullets of their "beloved" little children, only to break down in massive tears and emotions when it is pointed out that they are killing them. Financial restriction or no, you CAN eat more healthily and provide a balanced diet for kids. A lot of todays "eating disorders" are emotionally based, perhaps for example, the parent who is lardy will find solace in food.... dangerous when you have a few kids knocking around the place, as it is likely they will pass on those eating habits to the kids, and frankly children are not the best at making "life choices".. after all...they'r CHILDREN! incidentally, a study was once made in Switzerland on a group of children, and for 30 days they were allowed to pick exactly what they wanted. After the initial ice cream and choc fest, they allegedly all began to settle down and actually created a balanced diet for themselves. SO if Mr and Mrs Tubbs feed Johnny and Gilly Tubbs crap-in-a-box for every meal, they will end up getting blobby, perhaps we should let the kids buy the groceries after all??? Finance shouldn't come into it. Surely it's cheaper to feed your children healthily then unhealthily
lcfc_jme Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 Finance shouldn't come into it. Surely it's cheaper to feed your children healthily then unhealthily Like I posted before, I'm sure that healthy foods cost more money than the unhealthy foods, hence why the so called "working-class" people are finding that their children in particular are getting larger to be polite. If people are being paid less, they'll buy cheaper food, which invariably tends to be the more unhealthy options available.
Dr The Singh Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 Finance shouldn't come into it. Surely it's cheaper to feed your children healthily then unhealthily Agreed!!! Alot of parent are just lazy and unimaginative when it comes to food, plus modern day life is about fast living, we have strayed from our family roots of sitting together and eating together as a means of communication and socialisation!!!
Janx Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 Like I posted before, I'm sure that healthy foods cost more money than the unhealthy foods, hence why the so called "working-class" people are finding that their children in particular are getting larger to be polite. If people are being paid less, they'll buy cheaper food, which invariably tends to be the more unhealthy options available. sorry, it is LAZINESS, more healthy pre-processed food IS more expensive than Unhelathy pre-processed food.. buy hey a bit of pasta and rice and veg and fruit would be a start, and you can ALWAYS get that even in the "value" section of your local supermarket, its because they want to bang it in the microwave/oven/hob and get it done quickly... hey its easily done, I am guilty of it myself, but the longer option is more often than not the better one... and we aint talking about gourmet stuff here, just the basic food groups!
Bloomer Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 If he wanted people to be healthy, why doesn't he go and brandish the government "assholes and tossers" for making healthier foods dearer and more expensive than the cheaper, tastier unhealthy foods?? So how do the Government do that then? There's no extra tax on Organic food or "healthy" food? Organic foods cost more to produce, ergo cost more to buy. A lettuce is cheaper than a Big Mac? Explain please?
The People's Hero Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 sorry, it is LAZINESS, more healthy pre-processed food IS more expensive than Unhelathy pre-processed food.. buy hey a bit of pasta and rice and veg and fruit would be a start, and you can ALWAYS get that even in the "value" section of your local supermarket, its because they want to bang it in the microwave/oven/hob and get it done quickly... hey its easily done, I am guilty of it myself, but the longer option is more often than not the better one... and we aint talking about gourmet stuff here, just the basic food groups! I can appreciate the problem because when I was a student, with time on my hands, I loved to cook. I really enjoy cooking. Now though, I get in from work.. I am busy most evenings with one thing or another and so eating has to fall in to a 'time slot'... which can often mean - 'convenience food' :pinch:
lcfc_jme Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 sorry, it is LAZINESS, more healthy pre-processed food IS more expensive than Unhelathy pre-processed food.. buy hey a bit of pasta and rice and veg and fruit would be a start, and you can ALWAYS get that even in the "value" section of your local supermarket, its because they want to bang it in the microwave/oven/hob and get it done quickly... hey its easily done, I am guilty of it myself, but the longer option is more often than not the better one... and we aint talking about gourmet stuff here, just the basic food groups! So how do the Government do that then? There's no extra tax on Organic food or "healthy" food? Organic foods cost more to produce, ergo cost more to buy. A lettuce is cheaper than a Big Mac? Explain please? Again, I apologise for expressing my opinion on her, as, yet again people have turned on me and tried to berate me. I eat a combination of healthy and unhealthy foods, and am therefore in pretty good shape (yes, I am pleased with my figure ). It was just that, in my experience and on my understanding (I am pretty young and don't have to do the food shopping) that healthy foods were more expensive than non-healthy, simply because I took into account the fact that healthy organic foods cost more to produce. If I have got it wrong, I stand corrected, but I am going to keep a grasp of my opinion because certain parts of it are correct
Janx Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 I can appreciate the problem because when I was a student, with time on my hands, I loved to cook. I really enjoy cooking. Now though, I get in from work.. I am busy most evenings with one thing or another and so eating has to fall in to a 'time slot'... which can often mean - 'convenience food' :pinch: pasta and some kind of ratatouille, a bit of chicken mixed in...7 minutes? Pretty much staple kind of nosh round my house...I reckon you could squeeze that in...I would wager drinking a bottle of red will help pass the time!!
Bloomer Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 Agreed!!! Alot of parent are just lazy and unimaginative when it comes to food, plus modern day life is about fast living, we have strayed from our family roots of sitting together and eating together as a means of communication and socialisation!!! Absolutely, spot on Mr. Singh, right in the fecking Bulls Eye. Best post in this section. My wifes family are Italian and their kids (in the UK and in Italia) eat good non-processed food everyday, even days when Mama is at work they get fresh food for dinner - with no telly on. We try and follow this with our kids best we can, Son 2 is practically veggie, he just hates the thought of killing animals. Son 1 eats like an adult, we slip off the rails occasionally, but I know its makes a difference to their health and their general energy levels. They don't do tantrums either, except when I turn the Streo down or switch the Simpsons off! Its not like the stuff is unavailable, or too expensive. How many meals can you get from a bag of spuds, a few pounds of fresh veg and a large chicken - at least 4 for 4 people. Some people just can't be arsed, or can't be arsed to learn. Priorities? All wrong.
Dr The Singh Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 Absolutely, spot on Mr. Singh, right in the fecking Bulls Eye. Best post in this section. My wifes family are Italian and their kids (in the UK and in Italia) eat good non-processed food everyday, even days when Mama is at work they get fresh food for dinner - with no telly on. We try and follow this with our kids best we can, Son 2 is practically veggie, he just hates the thought of killing animals. Son 1 eats like an adult, we slip off the rails occasionally, but I know its makes a difference to their health and their general energy levels. They don't do tantrums either, except when I turn the Streo down or switch the Simpsons off! Its not like the stuff is unavailable, or too expensive. How many meals can you get from a bag of spuds, a few pounds of fresh veg and a large chicken - at least 4 for 4 people. Some people just can't be arsed, or can't be arsed to learn. Priorities? All wrong. TV is also a major cusre on our lives, the brits and US watch the most TV in any nation and both have the worst child obesity levels. I used to remember when we were younger, where meal times would be quality time for the family, and meal times would be a lenghty event, but these days kids want to finish up quickly to play\watch tv and the wife wants to get the dishes clean before eastenders......it's like life revolves around that box. In my house we have no tv or music while eating and nobody leaves the table until all are finished and we all help out in setting the table and clearing up. The kids make more mess clearing up, but atleast they learn the values of helping out!!
Janx Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 TV is also a major cusre on our lives, the brits and US watch the most TV in any nation and both have the worst child obesity levels. I used to remember when we were younger, where meal times would be quality time for the family, and meal times would be a lenghty event, but these days kids want to finish up quickly to play\watch tv and the wife wants to get the dishes clean before eastenders......it's like life revolves around that box. In my house we have no tv or music while eating and nobody leaves the table until all are finished and we all help out in setting the table and clearing up. The kids make more mess clearing up, but atleast they learn the values of helping out!! it was when my dad used to come home and systematically boll8ck us all!! Happy days!
Dr The Singh Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 it was when my dad used to come home and systematically boll8ck us all!! Happy days! ...........for eating your dinner or watching the box, Jankers?????
Janx Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 ...........for eating your dinner or watching the box, Jankers????? for whatever misdemeanours had been committed throughout the day, we always sat together no telly and no noise apart from the snivelling of four lads kacking themselves waiting for Dad to come home from work
Dr The Singh Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 for whatever misdemeanours had been committed throughout the day, we always sat together no telly and no noise apart from the snivelling of four lads kacking themselves waiting for Dad to come home from work Fair enough, nothing wrong with deserved disciplining!!!! Yep, I remember those days, mother would say, you best behave or do the household chores before your dad comes home or he won't be happy, etc!!!!!
Janx Posted 12 September 2006 Posted 12 September 2006 Jay This thread should ask is he a "dosser" or a "dwad"? Surely?
kylecoare Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Being unemployed with a child this is a really difficult discussion to join in on, because on one side I completely agree with Jamie Oliver that we should be feeding our children and ourselves in a way that will benifit our futures, but when you only get £90 per week to cover a family of 2 adults and a child, and £50 of it is took up on bills then the 49p chicken nuggets become a very good prospect. Seeing as a whole chicken costs about 4 pounds and only covers one days meals, then sometimes you have to pick up those unhealthy options. I personally try my hardest to vary it, some days we will have what would class as an unhealthy dinner, but the next day we will have a freshly prepared pasta or rice dish for example. I dont think its really fair to call Jamie Oliver a Cnut for trying to get our children healthy but I believe the government have really got to help when people cant afford the healthy options!
MC Prussian Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Hmm... Boycott in Rotherham, angry parents buying burgers for their kids at lunch time, a school board that defends Jamie Oliver's cuisine... I believe it's a social issue, and only secondarily financial. The typical family has ceased to exist, the number of single households (and the ones with single mum especially) has grown. Parents don't want to waste more time for cooking or even extensively going to the supermarket. It has to be quick, it has to be convenient. It is unhealthy. Making mothers and fathers solely responsible for this demise, is not fair. I think we should stop "bullying" the parents, because they're as much of a pawn as the kids are. But to be honest, it doesn't take a lot of time to make a simple, tasty salad. Personally, I'm an adorer of fish, prawns, pasta, vegetables and chicken. I could only live on that.
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