So not much going on today are the happy clappers

[BartonFox]

Very quite on here today.

I can sympathise, I went through it last season when it became obvious CL wasn't up to it. You feel like your faith has been betrayed and you don't want to admit you've been had.

I am going to say I told you so, because I did, but I am just a home-wrecker and moaner who is never happy. Sad thing is there is nothing not one thing that makes me happy about the team I follow.

Time for people to stand up against the whole sorry lot, because if we sit back and wait for the inevitable drop to League 1 we won't be here this time next season. Believe me and others when they say this is 'sh*t or bust'. If you still want a Club to follow it is time to take it back from Dim Tim, Ronald, Foxes Trust and Rob Kelly.

The whole lot of them are rotten and the stench of mediocrity is everywhere. When you bowl up against Colchester don't buy a programme, FoxLot, merchandise or refreshments. Before the game shout down the PA Man, Birch and let Dim Tim and Ronald know what is what. As soon as it goes tits up onthe field Kelly and that sorry bunch of thieves need to be told it is unacceptable.

It's time to be real supporters and that means being militant for a week or 6 until it is sorted out.

[Foxes_Trust]

and then what Barton?

What's your great master plan, (other than to slag off all & sundry)

With all those listed gone, who do you expect to run the club, name some names

Come on, spell out your 3 year plan

[newms]

I agree with alot of what you say, however I am not stupid enough to jump on a bandwagon after 2 losses in a row. It is the same side that before the international break went on a four game unbeaten run and hadnt conceded for 3 games. The truth of the matter is that we are not as bad as losing to Hull would suggest and we are not the kind of team that will rollover teams and go on long unbeaten runs. We are somewhere in the middle.

Fortunately I am confident that there are more than 3 teams that are inferior to leicester and like last season we will comfortably survive.

However where I agree with you is the position of the board. They should be held fully accountable for the stagnation of the club. It is them that failed to attract a proven manager despite showing interest in half the divisions managers. Newell probably turend us down. I can only imagine this was when he found out he would have exactly £0 to spend. Before his interview he seemed keen in the press.

We were meant to be interested in Billy Davies, yet in pre-season he goes to Derby. It is obvious to me that he was looking for a way out of Preston but perhaps Leicester is far less attractive than Derby. If he couldnt leave to the end of the season then why didnt we just wait?

We approached Ian Holloway, so much so that he lost his job. The fans reacted against a Holloway appointment. But since when were fans ever right (the O'Neill out chanters) So the board lost interest. The board have shown they have no backbone

They gave the job to Kelly after a successful caretaker period despite initially stating they would only look for a manager with championship experience. It is always a risk promoting a caretaker having a honeymoon period. Kelly's honeymoon is most definitely over. It is important he comes through this otherwise the fans will well and truly turn on him.

If results continue the board must put the club up for sale. We couldnt attract a quality proven manager last time so how can they attract 1 this time? kelly hasnt been given a pot to piss in when it comes to transfers and has been forced to bring in freebies and rely on the players Levein signed.

However I feel there is a strong nucleus to our squad. The likes of Kisnorbo, McCarthy, Stearman, Kenton, Fryatt, Hume, Hughes, Williams, Maybury, Tiatto would all get into most Championship sides. Its just at the moment there not showing that.

The turnaround starts on saturday against a rejuvenated Sunderland. Watch this space.

[Ultra]

and then what Barton?

What's your great master plan, (other than to slag off all & sundry)

With all those listed gone, who do you expect to run the club, name some names

Come on, spell out your 3 year plan

Surely you're not so naive that you actually expect BF to post something constructive?

[Ultra]

I agree with a lot of what you say, however I am not stupid enough to jump on a bandwagon after 2 losses in a row. It is the same side that before the international break went on a four game unbeaten run and hadnt conceded for 3 games. The truth of the matter is that we are not as bad as losing to Hull would suggest and we are not the kind of team that will rollover teams and go on long unbeaten runs. We are somewhere in the middle.

We've scored the fewest goals in the league. That tells us where our problems lie. If we can't sort them out we face ANOTHER season of struggle. Patience is beginning to run out.

Fortunately I am confident that there are more than 3 teams that are inferior to leicester and like last season we will comfortably survive.

That's what the trees thought a couple of seasons ago. Look what happened to them...

However where I agree with you is the position of the board. They should be held fully accountable for the stagnation of the club. It is them that failed to attract a proven manager despite showing interest in half the divisions managers. Newell probably turend us down. I can only imagine this was when he found out he would have exactly £0 to spend. Before his interview he seemed keen in the press.

Several top managers in our division applied for the job. However the board went for the cheapest option, probably because they didn't fancy big a big fee in compensation. The fact that Newell stayed at a pox-ridden hellhole like Luton says more about him than it does about us.

We were meant to be interested in Billy Davies, yet in pre-season he goes to Derby. It is obvious to me that he was looking for a way out of Preston but perhaps Leicester is far less attractive than Derby. If he couldnt leave to the end of the season then why didnt we just wait?

The situation at Derby changed. A new board came in and invested money in the club. They were also prepared to compensate Preston for luring Davies away from them, something our mob clearly didn't fancy doing.

We approached Ian Holloway, so much so that he lost his job. The fans reacted against a Holloway appointment.

Holloway would have been dreadful for this club and could easily have taken us down. The fans had every right to protest.

But since when were fans ever right (the O'Neill out chanters)

We've got it right far more often than we've got it wrong. Look how our actions forced out Pleat, Taylor, Adams and Levein when it was obvious they'd all passed their sell-by dates (in the case of Turnip and Levein they never had one to begin with)

So the board lost interest. The board have shown they have no backbone

Any business has to listen to its customers. The FOXES are no different. In this instance I don't think they deserve to to be slated for making the decision they did.

They gave the job to Kelly after a successful caretaker period despite initially stating they would only look for a manager with championship experience. It is always a risk promoting a caretaker having a honeymoon period. Kelly's honeymoon is most definitely over. It is important he comes through this otherwise the fans will well and truly turn on him.

Agreed. The Hereford and Colchester games will be the acid test. Lose either of these and the writing will be on the wall for him.

If results continue the board must put the club up for sale.

If we couldn't get investors when we were in the Premiership than how the hell are we going to get them now?

However I feel there is a strong nucleus to our squad. The likes of Kisnorbo, McCarthy, Stearman, Kenton, Fryatt, Hume, Hughes, Williams, Maybury, Tiatto would all get into most Championship sides. Its just at the moment there not showing that.

Stearman, Maybury, Williams and Tiatto aren't even sure of a starting place with us, and we're fourth from bottom. What makes you think other teams would take them off our hands? (apart from Stearman)

The turnaround starts on saturday against a rejuvenated Sunderland. Watch this space.

I'd like to think so, but I won't be holding my breath.

[Louise]

Re: the Newell issue, I believe it was more to do with what Levein recently highlighted about our board. At the time when he interviewed Kelly had won a couple of games, so the club were uncertain as to whether they wanted another manager or not, this lack-of-conviction and interest in a new manager was picked up on by Newell, which is why he decided not to come.... Our board can't make decisions.

[Guest]

Our board can't make decisions.

That's one problem with trying to run a democratic system with a relatively large board. It seems to me that no one individual is prepared to stand up and make a decision. No one individual is prepared to take this club by the scruff of the neck and shake it out of the doldrums. We have the excuses tailor made (pardoning the pun). They can fall back on administration or the fact they kept the faith with an inexperienced manager. Rather than taking some calculated risks (remember folks, we don't have to do anything stupid to move forwards), they seem happy to sit back and wonder where the fans have gone and why results are not going to plan.

[davieG]

Not only can they not make decisions they can't quite decide with their marketing whether we're a Premier League team (credit cards, foxlot) or a local league side (training kit sponsorship, posters). They think they can cover the lack of quality on the pitch pitch with off-field crapiness, flags, band etc.

They haven't yet grasped the fact that some, hopefully a majority just want a team worthy of supporting and with the 'freedom' to support them.

This means focusing all attention on producing a side capable of winning more than it loses, not too much to ask I wouldn't have thought.

I personally am not interested in

The foxlot

Catering awards for the posh resturants,

Pre-match songs, PHG, after goal (I wish) songs

Birch's inane pre-match and half time ramblings (just get someone 'normal' to read out the team)

Trips of a lifetime

Match winning programmes and Andy Johnson's day at the races

Flags, Posters, Bands, Training Kit

LCFC credit cards

The incessant emails they send me imploring me to buy match tickets (I've got two season tickets if I want another one I know where to get them)

That they are going to put it right on the training pitch, well I wasn't expecting them to do anything else.

That Johnson, McCarthy etc are remaining upbeat after yet another embarrassing, lack lustre defeat.

That we will put things right in the next game after yet another defeat, you can't put it right the 3 points are gone never to be seen again, as for the next game what else should you be doing besides trying to win it.

I want to hear how we outplayed someone and won, how we scored a few goals and won, how we are on a record breaking run of wins, well we've had the defeats and draws.

I want some good news, it doesn't even need to be promotion, just win a few games with just a tad of style.

Cut the marketing crap, cut the pre/post match bullshit go away and come back when you can actually win a few games.

[Ric Flair]

Kelly will resign if the going gets tough. He's on a 12 month contract and it's not as if he'll get a big pay-off should he be sacked. So if there's many more results like the last two, then he'll offer his resignation because he's a genuine man who doesn't want to do any damage by outstaying his welcome.

The problem then is, Gary McCallister.

[Surreal Madrid]

I am going to say I told you so, because I did

Why should we take anything you say seriously? Do you remember saying that Fryatt would definately be out of the club by the end of August? As far as I'm aware he's still here.

[davieG]

Kelly will resign if the going gets tough. He's on a 12 month contract and it's not as if he'll get a big pay-off should he be sacked. So if there's many more results like the last two, then he'll offer his resignation because he's a genuine man who doesn't want to do any damage by outstaying his welcome.

The problem then is, Gary McCallister.

Please No! No! No!

[Manwell Pablo]

Kelly will resign if the going gets tough. He's on a 12 month contract and it's not as if he'll get a big pay-off should he be sacked. So if there's many more results like the last two, then he'll offer his resignation because he's a genuine man who doesn't want to do any damage by outstaying his welcome.

The problem then is, Gary McCallister.

He will do enough to keep our heads above water I reckon ( Kelly not Gary Mac ) and to keep his job. I see us picking up three points against either Sunderland or Colchester, don't ask me why.

IMO It doesn't matter which poor sod you wheel in to do the job they are still going to be in the same boat as Kelly, no money, and a pissed off fan base.

[Ric Flair]

He will do enough to keep our heads above water I reckon ( Kelly not Gary Mac ) and to keep his job. I see us picking up three points against either Sunderland or Colchester, don't ask me why.

IMO It doesn't matter which poor sod you wheel in to do the job they are still going to be in the same boat as Kelly, no money, and a pissed off fan base.

Your absolutely right about a manager not being able to do alot, but then there are certain managers who can get a team playing in far worse circumstances than ours. We have 5 or 6 quality players at this level and 4 or 5 that should be able to do a job. If the fans get as irate as they did under Levein then Kelly will walk, if there's pressure being put on then he'll not wait to be given the boot because he'll want to be seen to do the right thing for the fans.

[Monk]

and then what Barton?

What's your great master plan, (other than to slag off all & sundry)

With all those listed gone, who do you expect to run the club, name some names

Come on, spell out your 3 year plan

I see BF still hasn't come back on this.

Its all very well sacking the manager and the board, but where does it get us? Are you saying we should take the chance and just hope for the best? I know you imply it is risky to stay with Ron/Tim/Rob, but the potential disaster in sacking the lot of them is unthinkable. What if no one wants to come in and we are stuck in the sheets for the rest of the season? I'm sure other club managers will be looking at our fans and thinking, er no, I think I'll keep my reputation thanks!

Get Brian Little back, buy back Joachim, get Steve Walsh off the 18th hole and into the dressing room for some shouting. Problem solved

[Babylon]

I am going to say I told you so, because I did

If you were so right we would have been relegated already.

The facts are last season you were proved wrong.

[BartonFox]

and then what Barton?

What's your great master plan, (other than to slag off all & sundry)

With all those listed gone, who do you expect to run the club, name some names

Come on, spell out your 3 year plan

Talk about protecting your own back eh? Worried that people might actually ruin your little jollies now?

How many times do I have to tell you?

Football is not a business like any other, so our idiots with ties to global conglomerates can forget all that marketing trends they think they understand, because it means nothing in the world of football. But then you wouldn't know that because you just cuddle up take whatever they dish out and don't want to rock the boat in case they stop feeding you the tit-bits of non-information that make you feel important.

The Club missed a perfect opportunity to take the game back for the fans, but instead they chased the mythical dollar with gimmicks and all they have done is drive away the very people who are their life blood.

So here is the 'master plan', print it off take it Dim Tim and Ronald McDonald portray as your own. Oh and don't go telling it me it won't work because it will, and they know it but they won't do it as then their fat salaries no longer become justified and they lose out.

Affordable matchday ticket prices for all areas of the ground.

Affordable and quality concessions within the ground.

Qualoty merchandise.

Free school tickets to the schools of the 'Shire - including high schools.

No American razzmatazz or gimmicks that the Club think the fans want.

A manager who actually wants to be a manager and not the spineless gimp we have in now.

No freeloaders or hangers on.

Players to make weekly visits to schools and youth groups/clubs.

You see the trend there? It's quite simple.

Make the game affordable to the 'customer' and get your product out in to the community so the 'customer' can feel some sort of affinity with it.

[Guest]

Not only can they not make decisions they can't quite decide with their marketing whether we're a Premier League team (credit cards, foxlot) or a local league side (training kit sponsorship, posters). They think they can cover the lack of quality on the pitch pitch with off-field crapiness, flags, band etc.....

I've told them enough times. Keep it simple. But I get the impression that they think they have to actively market to the fans, and I feel it's actually alienating people. I would rather they spent this much effort in trying to find some serious investment for the club.

[Monk]

Affordable matchday ticket prices for all areas of the ground.

Affordable and quality concessions within the ground.

Qualoty merchandise.

Free school tickets to the schools of the 'Shire - including high schools.

No American razzmatazz or gimmicks that the Club think the fans want.

A manager who actually wants to be a manager and not the spineless gimp we have in now.

No freeloaders or hangers on.

Players to make weekly visits to schools and youth groups/clubs.

Barton, I completely agree with your ideas here, BUT my point is how is sacking the board going to get this delivered? Or sacking Kelly for that matter. I'm sure if they had enough interest from the fans in those ideas they would consider them. I agree we are too business minded as a football club, and the flags idea WAS pants.

I think spineless is an extremely harsh word to use about Kelly. He has his weaknesses, but lack of spine is not one of them.

The problem for me is that the excitements gone. Even under Brian Little, it didnt matter if we lost 1-0 because you knew that we'd give it a bloody good shot. Now you get the impression that the fans want the head of the manager after a couple of losses, something has happened at the club to make that happen, and its not just the departure of the influentials like Walsh and Lennon. We need a new Mr Leicester City, badly.

[Janx]

Not only can they not make decisions they can't quite decide with their marketing whether we're a Premier League team (credit cards, foxlot) or a local league side (training kit sponsorship, posters). They think they can cover the lack of quality on the pitch pitch with off-field crapiness, flags, band etc.

They haven't yet grasped the fact that some, hopefully a majority just want a team worthy of supporting and with the 'freedom' to support them.

This means focusing all attention on producing a side capable of winning more than it loses, not too much to ask I wouldn't have thought.

I personally am not interested in

The foxlot

Catering awards for the posh resturants,

Pre-match songs, PHG, after goal (I wish) songs

Birch's inane pre-match and half time ramblings (just get someone 'normal' to read out the team)

Trips of a lifetime

Match winning programmes and Andy Johnson's day at the races

Flags, Posters, Bands, Training Kit

LCFC credit cards

The incessant emails they send me imploring me to buy match tickets (I've got two season tickets if I want another one I know where to get them)

That they are going to put it right on the training pitch, well I wasn't expecting them to do anything else.

That Johnson, McCarthy etc are remaining upbeat after yet another embarrassing, lack lustre defeat.

That we will put things right in the next game after yet another defeat, you can't put it right the 3 points are gone never to be seen again, as for the next game what else should you be doing besides trying to win it.

I want to hear how we outplayed someone and won, how we scored a few goals and won, how we are on a record breaking run of wins, well we've had the defeats and draws.

I want some good news, it doesn't even need to be promotion, just win a few games with just a tad of style.

Cut the marketing crap, cut the pre/post match bullshit go away and come back when you can actually win a few games.

Can I lobby support for a "Post of the Day" campaign....

this is it for me.

[bigneville]

Talk about protecting your own back eh? Worried that people might actually ruin your little jollies now?

How many times do I have to tell you?

Football is not a business like any other, so our idiots with ties to global conglomerates can forget all that marketing trends they think they understand, because it means nothing in the world of football. But then you wouldn't know that because you just cuddle up take whatever they dish out and don't want to rock the boat in case they stop feeding you the tit-bits of non-information that make you feel important.

The Club missed a perfect opportunity to take the game back for the fans, but instead they chased the mythical dollar with gimmicks and all they have done is drive away the very people who are their life blood.

So here is the 'master plan', print it off take it Dim Tim and Ronald McDonald portray as your own. Oh and don't go telling it me it won't work because it will, and they know it but they won't do it as then their fat salaries no longer become justified and they lose out.

Affordable matchday ticket prices for all areas of the ground.

Affordable and quality concessions within the ground.

Qualoty merchandise.

Free school tickets to the schools of the 'Shire - including high schools.

No American razzmatazz or gimmicks that the Club think the fans want.

A manager who actually wants to be a manager and not the spineless gimp we have in now.

No freeloaders or hangers on.

Players to make weekly visits to schools and youth groups/clubs.

You see the trend there? It's quite simple.

Make the game affordable to the 'customer' and get your product out in to the community so the 'customer' can feel some sort of affinity with it.

Quality post BartonFox, just wish you'd put down your ideas more than just being negative in posts a lot of the time, that way you'd gain a lot more respect on here for your ideas.

I agree with most of the ideas, except the sacking of the manager. Think its a bit quick of the mark, but i'm in the position we're im up for trying anything at this current time to see us not fall into the relegation zone for a long hard battle....

[Knighton Matt]

Not only can they not make decisions they can't quite decide with their marketing whether we're a Premier League team (credit cards, foxlot) or a local league side (training kit sponsorship, posters). They think they can cover the lack of quality on the pitch pitch with off-field crapiness, flags, band etc.

They haven't yet grasped the fact that some, hopefully a majority just want a team worthy of supporting and with the 'freedom' to support them.

This means focusing all attention on producing a side capable of winning more than it loses, not too much to ask I wouldn't have thought.

I personally am not interested in

The foxlot

Catering awards for the posh resturants,

Pre-match songs, PHG, after goal (I wish) songs

Birch's inane pre-match and half time ramblings (just get someone 'normal' to read out the team)

Trips of a lifetime

Match winning programmes and Andy Johnson's day at the races

Flags, Posters, Bands, Training Kit

LCFC credit cards

The incessant emails they send me imploring me to buy match tickets (I've got two season tickets if I want another one I know where to get them)

That they are going to put it right on the training pitch, well I wasn't expecting them to do anything else.

That Johnson, McCarthy etc are remaining upbeat after yet another embarrassing, lack lustre defeat.

That we will put things right in the next game after yet another defeat, you can't put it right the 3 points are gone never to be seen again, as for the next game what else should you be doing besides trying to win it.

I want to hear how we outplayed someone and won, how we scored a few goals and won, how we are on a record breaking run of wins, well we've had the defeats and draws.

I want some good news, it doesn't even need to be promotion, just win a few games with just a tad of style.

Cut the marketing crap, cut the pre/post match bullshit go away and come back when you can actually win a few games.

A-bloody-Men davieG! That is EXACTLY the way I feel right now. It's not just the performances that are depressing me it's the way our club is a complete embarassment in the way it is run.

I'd consider emailing that to Peter Jones as I'd be interested to hear his response (if you got one ) as you have just summed up the frustration that I and many others feel.

[davieG]

A-bloody-Men davieG! That is EXACTLY the way I feel right now. It's not just the performances that are depressing me it's the way our club is a complete embarassment in the way it is run.

I'd consider emailing that to Peter Jones as I'd be interested to hear his response (if you got one ) as you have just summed up the frustration that I and many others feel.

I've often sent emails to Peter Jones and although he's very polite and does his best I firmly believe unless this was part of a concerted all around effort it would, well frankly be just pissing in the wind.

After all we already have a chairman who's stated publically that the match day tickets are too low in price and was part of an organisation that were past masters at disguising what is in effect a crappy product with all sorts of marketing bullshit, so he'll be past master at it. In fact I expect much more not less.

[Magictv]

Can I lobby support for a "Post of the Day" campaign....

this is it for me.

A-bloody-Men davieG! That is EXACTLY the way I feel right now. It's not just the performances that are depressing me it's the way our club is a complete embarassment in the way it is run.

I'd consider emailing that to Peter Jones as I'd be interested to hear his response (if you got one ) as you have just summed up the frustration that I and many others feel.

Wow! Me too, what a post.

I've often sent emails to Peter Jones and although he's very polite and does his best I firmly believe unless this was part of a concerted all around effort it would, well frankly be just pissing in the wind.

After all we already have a chairman who's stated publically that the match day tickets are too low in price and was part of an organisation that were past masters at disguising what is in effect a crappy product with all sorts of marketing bullshit, so he'll be past master at it. In fact I expect much more not less.

Couldn't we all on here try and send an email about it? Maybe you could set up a sticky or something. I wonder how many emails it would take to make them change something?