lookwhaticando Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 How many goalkeepers (first team) should we keep on the books? At the minute it seems a bit much to have three first team goalkeepers - especially since there's no regular football at all for the two not wearing the shirt at any given time... To me it makes sense to keep just two goalkeepers - that way we have fewer difficulties (fewer keepers to find games for to keep them match fit). If we just put some of the wage bill aside for an emergency loan should we lose both keepers, then there's not too much of an issue - and you could always call up an academy keeper to deputise for an on-loan keeper. At present, Henderson's contract expires at the end of this season. Rab's contract is up at the end of next season. I think Logan's expires this season too. The way I see the goalkeeping situation is: we lose one goalkeeper, Henderson, just by letting his contract expire. We extend Logan's contract and he becomes number 1. Rab will remain for the final year as Logan's deputy. There's no need for a third goalkeeper, really. This seems to make the most sense - Logan would be cheaper to keep on than Henderson I'm sure - and he's younger, so there's less harm in giving him a long[er] contract. Henderson may want to leave anyway if he fails to reclaim the shirt - for the same reason Coyne left a few seasons ago - Keepers at that age want regular football. Bottom line - at present I see Logan and Douglas being the only two senior goalkeepers next year, with Henderson expiring. Anyone else agree?
Steven Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Talking of keepers at City, does anyone know what has happened to Alex Cisak ?
Mort Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Keep Logan and Hendo, alternate the two until we're certian we've got the best one in first and the weaker of the two in standby... if some money can be found (by selling, loaning out Douglas) then it might be an idea to get an experianced goal keeper in, but i doubt we'd have the cash so Logan and Hendon and get rid of Douglas any which way frankly.
Sly Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Talking of keepers at City, does anyone know what has happened to Alex Cisak ? No I was always under the impression that he was really good! Was he Australian? I personally would drop Douglas out of the 3, I'm sure he'll be on the highest of wages and I think we only need 2 then the youth keepers push the first choice pairing.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 I think LWICD is being realistic here. Unless we can get rid of Douglas somehow then as long as Logan keeps up a reasonable standard of form then Henderson will have to go. Harsh on him because he hasn't really put a foot wrong. Such is the nature of contracts these days given our financial situation and the difficulty in getting rid of relatively highly-paid players nobody wants.
Head Honcho Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 I don't see anything wrong with the current set-up. It only takes an injury for the whole dynamics to change so if it ain't broke don't fix it I say.
Joe. Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 How many goalkeepers (first team) should we keep on the books? At the minute it seems a bit much to have three first team goalkeepers - especially since there's no regular football at all for the two not wearing the shirt at any given time... To me it makes sense to keep just two goalkeepers - that way we have fewer difficulties (fewer keepers to find games for to keep them match fit). If we just put some of the wage bill aside for an emergency loan should we lose both keepers, then there's not too much of an issue - and you could always call up an academy keeper to deputise for an on-loan keeper. At present, Henderson's contract expires at the end of this season. Rab's contract is up at the end of next season. I think Logan's expires this season too. The way I see the goalkeeping situation is: we lose one goalkeeper, Henderson, just by letting his contract expire. We extend Logan's contract and he becomes number 1. Rab will remain for the final year as Logan's deputy. There's no need for a third goalkeeper, really. This seems to make the most sense - Logan would be cheaper to keep on than Henderson I'm sure - and he's younger, so there's less harm in giving him a long[er] contract. Henderson may want to leave anyway if he fails to reclaim the shirt - for the same reason Coyne left a few seasons ago - Keepers at that age want regular football. Bottom line - at present I see Logan and Douglas being the only two senior goalkeepers next year, with Henderson expiring. Anyone else agree? That makes a lot of sense to me, it's whether it will happen that's the question
Fez of Mahrez Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 I don't see anything wrong with the current set-up. It only takes an injury for the whole dynamics to change so if it ain't broke don't fix it I say. Money though innit. We have last season's two rotated first-choice keepers out of the team. I've always thought two first-team keepers is enough. You're just wasting money on a third. If we want to keep Logan we will have to give him a new contract that reflects his first-team ability, all of this supposing he continues to play fairly well of course. We can't afford three goalkeepers on first-team wages. When was the last time we had to use our third-choice keeper? We could always draft in an emergency loan if necessary. I'd prefer the wages be freed up to fund an outfield player to increase competition for places at left-back for example presuming NEJ heads off when his contract expires. Long way off though. I just hope Logan continues his excellent form and makes this into a reality.
lookwhaticando Posted 8 October 2006 Author Posted 8 October 2006 I think LWICD is being realistic here. Unless we can get rid of Douglas somehow then as long as Logan keeps up a reasonable standard of form then Henderson will have to go. Harsh on him because he hasn't really put a foot wrong. Such is the nature of contracts these days given our financial situation and the difficulty in getting rid of relatively highly-paid players nobody wants. That's the nicest thing anyone's said about me. You're right tho - that's exactly how I intended my post. That is, I believe, the most obvious and most likely route to goalkeeping bliss for next season. It's all down to Logan to keep his form and earn himself a contract beyond the end of this season. If that happens, we're laughing. That makes a lot of sense to me, it's whether it will happen that's the question As I said - to me, it seems like the most logical, most apparent and most likely route the club will take. Some people may prefer we try to shift Douglas on - but as Fez pointed out, we either have to find someone to pay his wages on loan, or we have to pay him off. Realistically, nobody's going to actually buy him off us - he'll be 35 by then. Personally, I would prefer to keep Henderson over Douglas, but with money-watching being all important, Douglas will remain.
Head Honcho Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Money though innit. We have last season's two rotated first-choice keepers out of the team. I've always thought two first-team keepers is enough. You're just wasting money on a third. If we want to keep Logan we will have to give him a new contract that reflects his first-team ability, all of this supposing he continues to play fairly well of course. We can't afford three goalkeepers on first-team wages. When was the last time we had to use our third-choice keeper? We could always draft in an emergency loan if necessary. I'd prefer the wages be freed up to fund an outfield player to increase competition for places at left-back for example presuming NEJ heads off when his contract expires. Long way off though. I just hope Logan continues his excellent form and makes this into a reality. How long is Douglas contracted to us for? I think nature will take it's course and when Douglas' contract expires he'll have to take a cut or move on thus enabling the others to negotiate a better deal! Logan and Hendo for the future though
lookwhaticando Posted 8 October 2006 Author Posted 8 October 2006 How long is Douglas contracted to us for? I think nature will take it's course and when Douglas' contract expires he'll have to take a cut or move on thus enabling the others to negotiate a better deal! Logan and Hendo for the future though He's got this season and next season - it expires June 2008 - by which time he'll be 36. That's a big part of my view of the situation - only Douglas has a contract beyond this season. Logan and Henderson both expire June '07!
AyewJoking Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 If Logan keeps his place then Henderson may want to move anyway. Hendo had to wait behind Douglas for a long time and after establishing himself as number one, Logan took it away from him. I imagine Douglas would be one of the higher wage earners at the club so it is doubtful he will move before his contract ends.
The People's Hero Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Douglas would take some shifting as he is on large contract. This is unless of course he isn't settled in the area/ is very hungry for first team football in which case he might be prepared to move elsewhere and take a paycut to do so. I would imagine Hendo will not have his contract renewed, whilst Logan's will be renewed fairly shortly.
lookwhaticando Posted 8 October 2006 Author Posted 8 October 2006 Douglas would take some shifting as he is on large contract. This is unless of course he isn't settled in the area/ is very hungry for first team football in which case he might be prepared to move elsewhere and take a paycut to do so. I would imagine Hendo will not have his contract renewed, whilst Logan's will be renewed fairly shortly. That's what I'm hoping. It won't be hard to keep him, I don't think. If he keeps the shirt for a while, he'll have regular football - that'll please him. At his age it's mostly about playing football for the first team, probably. So if he has that here, he doesn't need to move away for it. Throw in a bit of extra money as reward for hard work. The board would have to be completely useless to not manage to keep him. :laugh:
craigadams22 Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Well Leicester City need to keep hold off Conrad Logan. And also Robert Douglas, no matter how he keeps letting them in. He's a good goalkeeper, I mean look at him when he was at Celtic FC. Regards Craig Adams 22
Wils Posted 9 October 2006 Posted 9 October 2006 Well Leicester City need to keep hold off Conrad Logan. And also Robert Douglas, no matter how he keeps letting them in. He's a good goalkeeper, I mean look at him when he was at Celtic FC. Regards Craig Adams 22 I dont agree with you. Rab isnt a good keeper,he was good but i think times have past him now. Makes to many stupid mistakes that are costly.
lcfc_jme Posted 9 October 2006 Posted 9 October 2006 Rab isnt a good keeper,he was good but i think times have past him now. Makes to many stupid mistakes that are costly. Has valuable experience and can really motivate Logan and help him to mature/achieve his maximum potential. I myself am under no illusions that Rab is a good goalkeeper, but there is no substitute for experience, especially to a young lad like Logan. On the other hand, it'd be better to have a younger, more reliable replacement than Rab if Logan were to get injured/suspended. Hence the reason I said in another thread why I'm unsure who I'd keep if 1 'keeper were to leave. The jury is still out on that one, but I know we definitely need to lose a 'keeper by the end of the season, as 3 is too many considering there are no reserve games.
Mad Dog Posted 9 October 2006 Posted 9 October 2006 I think Rab would actually be useful in that he would provide very experienced back up to Logan, and there certainly won't be many if any better back up keepers in this division. Obviously if there is a chance to release him we would take it instantly due to his contract, but there is such a slim chance of any offer coming in or him accepting any kind of realistic pay off.
The People's Hero Posted 9 October 2006 Posted 9 October 2006 I think a few of you might be missing an important factor. Contract Expiry of our three goalkeepers. Logan/Henderson - expires this year Rab - one more season after this one. As Rab is presumably on decent money, I'd suggest he'll probably be here next year. For me, it comes down to a straight choice between Henderson/Logan. I'd keep Logan. If the rumours of Henderson being wanted by Leeds are true, we could possibly get a fee for him in Jan.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 9 October 2006 Posted 9 October 2006 I wouldn't be convinced about Rab's fitness, match sharpness or most crucially his hunger to get back in the team if he was our second choice keeper. At the moment we have had two keepers who have played well for us this season and he isn't one of them. He's a long way behind in my opinion and really needs to get away if he really does want to play matches. Depends how much of a wage cut he'd take, if any.
Ric Flair Posted 9 October 2006 Posted 9 October 2006 I think Rab would actually be useful in that he would provide very experienced back up to Logan, and there certainly won't be many if any better back up keepers in this division. Obviously if there is a chance to release him we would take it instantly due to his contract, but there is such a slim chance of any offer coming in or him accepting any kind of realistic pay off. I have to agree with you there. But will Rab be happy about playing second fiddle to a 20 year old? Then what happens if we need to rely on Douglas to play at some point, would he be motivated enough? That's the big question. Plus, Logan has only played 4 games for us and although he's been exceptional in them when called upon it would be silly to consider him our saviour in goal. I'm being sensible for once!!
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