cisono Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 What makes it quite funny is we are an oil producing nation - so our fuel should be quite cheap... were it not taxed something like 80p in the pound. Who is an oil-producing nation? In DK, it's 74p, which is amazing...
Head Honcho Posted 2 November 2006 Author Posted 2 November 2006 What makes it quite funny is we are an oil producing nation - so our fuel should be quite cheap... were it not taxed something like 80p in the pound. Oil is the same price whatever country you live in. It's how the government of that country choose to tax it that makes it expensive.
cisono Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Oil is the same price whatever country you live in. It's how the government of that country choose to tax it that makes it expensive. Yeah, and we pay lots of tax
Head Honcho Posted 2 November 2006 Author Posted 2 November 2006 Yeah, and we pay lots of tax Just found out that the world will run out of oil in 2040 and the oceans will run out of fish around 2056. Thank god I'll probably be pushing up the daisies!
lookwhaticando Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Oil is the same price whatever country you live in. It's how the government of that country choose to tax it that makes it expensive. As I said - we'd have access to cheapish fuels if we removed the taxation on it. Don't we levy the duty by units of fuel not the value of the fuel? Just found out that the world will run out of oil in 2040 and the oceans will run out of fish around 2056. Thank god I'll probably be pushing up the daisies! :laugh:
Thracian Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 No doubt!!! (Fewer 4x4s can only be a good idea, especially around town. Even Clarkson agrees ) They're no fun anyway. After owning "Cuddles" - a customised Transit with a brute oif an engine, its own double bed with imitation bearskin bedspread, an electrically operated bar which delivered to the bedside and the sort of inside and outside music system that let you play a disco to a parkload of people, and its own revolving blue police light to get your past the dawdlers in front, 4 x 4d's are just chocolate. I doubt some of the owners have ever used four wheel drive anyway. They're just a status symbol - and a shitty one at that. No fun, no fans, no fun, no fans.... Why ever did I sell that van?
davieG Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Just found out that the world will run out of oil in 2040 and the oceans will run out of fish around 2056. Thank god I'll probably be pushing up the daisies! Your body will probably be recycled as fuel by then.
lookwhaticando Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Why ever did I sell that van? Because you grew up, settled down and decided to have kids. At least, I'm assuming that to be the case.
Thracian Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Just found out that the world will run out of oil in 2040 and the oceans will run out of fish around 2056. Thank god I'll probably be pushing up the daisies! Glad you mentioned the fish. I might have brought it up before but people don't believe you. There's more - so many of the earth's resources are under the most serious pressure. Already the Chinese are right through central Africa buying up all the natural resources they can lay their hands on. As their economy booms and they become as fish eating as the Japanese, the sea stocks may diminish faster than predictions and their water table's falling rapidly too with implications for everyone else. The picture gets worse but I won't bother with it. It sounds melodramatic but the time has come for global solutions, almost for global Government if you like. Unless the Muslim fundamentalists prove a blessing in disguise and persuade mankind to blow itself off the face of the Earth for ever. Whoever thought greed could be so destructive.
cisono Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Glad you mentioned the fish. I might have brought it up before but people don't believe you. There's more - so many of the earth's resources are under the most serious pressure. Already the Chinese are right through central Africa buying up all the natural resources they can lay their hands on. As their economy booms and they become as fish eating as the Japanese, the sea stocks may diminish faster than predictions and their water table's falling rapidly too with implications for everyone else. The picture gets worse but I wonder bother with it. It sounds melodramatic but the time has come for global solutions, almost for global Government if you like. Unless the Muslim fundamentalists prove a blessing in disguise and persuade mankind to blow itself off the face of the Earth for ever. Whoever thought greed could be so destructive. It sounds a bit catastrophic, but I am certain it is very true! How can we be so short-sighted to worry about silly day-to-day things when so much is at stake?
Thracian Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 It sounds a bit catastrophic, but I am certain it is very true! How can we be so short-sighted to worry about silly day-to-day things when so much is at stake? I'd love to work with people trying to do something about it all. But this isn't an age when 57-year-old ex-hacks, who lack a science degree, are top of the wanted list. And I'm not into filling out job application forms in any case. Never have been really.
lcfcalan Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Fo sho! Am I sad for getting excited that unleaded per gallon at Tescos is 83.9p? IF ONLY Kayteh , If only. 'Chelsea tractors find solice at Tesco' (reuters circa 2/11/06)
Katy Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 IF ONLY Kayteh , If only. 'Chelsea tractors find solice at Tesco' (reuters circa 2/11/06) I don't know what I was thinking Alan - well done for picking up on that. I meant per pint of course
Janx Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Glad you mentioned the fish. I might have brought it up before but people don't believe you. There's more - so many of the earth's resources are under the most serious pressure. Already the Chinese are right through central Africa buying up all the natural resources they can lay their hands on. As their economy booms and they become as fish eating as the Japanese, the sea stocks may diminish faster than predictions and their water table's falling rapidly too with implications for everyone else. The picture gets worse but I won't bother with it. It sounds melodramatic but the time has come for global solutions, almost for global Government if you like. Unless the Muslim fundamentalists prove a blessing in disguise and persuade mankind to blow itself off the face of the Earth for ever. Whoever thought greed could be so destructive. Isnt this more to do with Governments and "subsidies"... I am considering going VEggie anyway..... hey, surely we aint gonna run out of stuff growing?
Dr The Singh Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 I'd love to work with people trying to do something about it all. But this isn't an age when 57-year-old ex-hacks, who lack a science degree, are top of the wanted list. And I'm not into filling out job application forms in any case. Never have been really. I have a science degree Thracian!!! The issue is of global power and wealth....India and China, will not stop it's growth and becomming a super power and US will not either as it is depsperately trying to hold onto it's superpower status. If things continue, by the end of the century, the worlds wealth will decrease by 20% but China's and India's growth inparticular will be probably double that, so India and China have most to gain. I'm not saying they don't care about the environment but as things stand they would be the countries that lose out the most, from a financial point of view the sums are against being environmental!!
Katy Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Isnt this more to do with Governments and "subsidies"... I am considering going VEggie anyway..... hey, surely we aint gonna run out of stuff growing? Really? You had a right pop at me a while ago for being a veggie.
Janx Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Really? You had a right pop at me a while ago for being a veggie. Really, can you show me that? I am only considering it...that is assessing the options, especially after watching Hugh Fearnley last night... All that said I will probably end up just buying organic, so that the poor little animaux will have had a beeter time on the planet and humanely killed. Eat meat less often and make better choices. Its a health and morality thing.
The People's Hero Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 I probably eat more fish than I do meat these days. James Fact #14 (for my loyal James fact collecting enthusiasts)
Katy Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Really, can you show me that? I am only considering it...that is assessing the options, especially after watching Hugh Fearnley last night... All that said I will probably end up just buying organic, so that the poor little animaux will have had a beeter time on the planet and humanely killed. Eat meat less often and make better choices. Its a health and morality thing. I watched that too Forgive me for not trawling through millions of posts but it was when there was a thread about animal testing, it was ages ago.
Janx Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 I watched that too Forgive me for not trawling through millions of posts but it was when there was a thread about animal testing, it was ages ago. Ah its about your use of semantics though... i.e "I had a POP at you" its a bit inmflammatory. Could you not say, "we had a heated debate on the pros and cons of animal testing? to which I am apposed and you are not?"
Katy Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Ah its about your use of semantics though... i.e "I had a POP at you" its a bit inmflammatory. Could you not say, "we had a heated debate on the pros and cons of animal testing? to which I am apposed and you are not?" No 'cuz I like the word 'pop' I didnt actually say I was for or against animal testing, I think I sat on the fence for a change
Guest Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Pay as you go fuel doesn't really work; if you live out in the sticks and have to drive your precious little ones to school every day, even in an economical car, you might end up paying more tax than the lazy arsed cows who drive their Chelsea tractors the 200yds to school. I don't see why having a kid means you have to have the largest vehicle available to you. My parents coped with one Vauxhall Viva (two door) and three kids between aged 1 and 8 without any problems. Which leads me onto parent and child parking spaces......
davieG Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Pay as you go fuel doesn't really work; if you live out in the sticks and have to drive your precious little ones to school every day, even in an economical car, you might end up paying more tax than the lazy arsed cows who drive their Chelsea tractors the 200yds to school.I don't see why having a kid means you have to have the largest vehicle available to you. My parents coped with one Vauxhall Viva (two door) and three kids between aged 1 and 8 without any problems. Which leads me onto parent and child parking spaces...... But did you have to fit 3 child seats in the back until you were over 12 years old? That said, we carried 3 in the back of an old A45 Van, Viva, Renault 12, Hillman Avenger Estate, Vauxhall Belmont and a Metro, thankfully we never had any serious collisions.
Janx Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 But did you have to fit 3 child seats in the back until you were over 12 years old? That said, we carried 3 in the back of an old A45 Van, Viva, Renault 12, Hillman Avenger Estate, Vauxhall Belmont and a Metro, thankfully we never had any serious collisions. dont start me on that stealth tax!
Master Fox Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Does a Ford Capri class as a gas guzzler? If so I'm in trouble
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