Daggers Posted 5 November 2006 Posted 5 November 2006 If anyone was serious about punishing him they'd put him in charge of Foxlot.
Hullfox Posted 5 November 2006 Posted 5 November 2006 I did, and do not, support this stupid war on Iraq. But Saddam didn't kill just 148 people. He is the biggest mass murderer of Muslims living on this planet today. Ironically he received his sentence whilst clutching a copy of the Koran. Out of interest, are there any guestimations on how many Iraqis have died as a result of the war and occupation? Whilst Saddam was obviously an evil leader, I just wondered whether the streets were any safer.
Dr The Singh Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Ironically he received his sentence whilst clutching a copy of the Koran. Out of interest, are there any guestimations on how many Iraqis have died as a result of the war and occupation? Whilst Saddam was obviously an evil leader, I just wondered whether the streets were any safer. Saddam should be punished, but you can't compare what has gone on after his occupation with what he has done!! He purposely killed many innocent civilians, where as occupied forces killed innocent civiliand as a byproduct, unattentionally!! Iraq, is more free after Saddam but not safer. Rival factions (Shai, Sunnis) are massacring each other over the eventual gains of oil. The occupied forces are helpless, as they are seen as occupiers and not allies (even though they free'd there sorry asses from Saddam)!!
Thracian Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Ironically he received his sentence whilst clutching a copy of the Koran. Out of interest, are there any guestimations on how many Iraqis have died as a result of the war and occupation? Whilst Saddam was obviously an evil leader, I just wondered whether the streets were any safer. Which is why I would leave him in the middle of the with a day's rations and a copy of the Bible. And of course the streets aren't safer, not in iraq and not anywhere else. How the Western leaders imagined they would be I don't know. Blair has enough trouble running this country without involving himself in conflict within another. Brains will solve these problems far better than bombs.
The People's Hero Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 So, is this what he deserves, or is it too easy? Should he have just been allowed to rot in a cell for years on end? Personally i think it's the only just answer, although i'd reject his claim to be shot by a firing squad, he deserves no such formal military finale. So long as the people on the Appeal Court aren't the same members of the Italien Bung Inquiry it will stand. I find it strange how Britain is supporting it when we're so against capital punishment. Surely it's one or the other, as soon as you go making exceptions, where does it end? Indeed. Having said that, war crimes is always a bit different and we do tend to get 'war criminals' tried in 'other' countries. Won't comment on our agenda there... Perhaps there is an inkling of wanting to appease the families of those who have died in the gulf war (s)?
Dr The Singh Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Which is why I would leave him in the middle of the with a day's rations and a copy of the Bible. And of course the streets aren't safer, not in iraq and not anywhere else. How the Western leaders imagined they would be I don't know. Blair has enough trouble running this country without involving himself in conflict within another. Brains will solve these problems far better than bombs. As i have always said, sort your own backyard before going to sort someone else's!!!!
Hullfox Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Saddam should be punished, but you can't compare what has gone on after his occupation with what he has done!! He purposely killed many innocent civilians, where as occupied forces killed innocent civiliand as a byproduct, unattentionally!! Iraq, is more free after Saddam but not safer. Rival factions (Shai, Sunnis) are massacring each other over the eventual gains of oil. The occupied forces are helpless, as they are seen as occupiers and not allies (even though they free'd there sorry asses from Saddam)!! Surely you have to compare it though Singhmeister. If more people are dying, is the fact that they are more free a price worth paying? (that is of course said without knowing the numbers) Anyone killed either intentionally or unintentionally is still dead. What's the point of bringing democracy to people if all that happens is that you get blown up in the queue to vote. I'm not being judgemental one way or another just interested to see people's views, I'm not even sure of my own opinion!
Dr The Singh Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Surely you have to compare it though Singhmeister. If more people are dying, is the fact that they are more free a price worth paying? (that is of course said without knowing the numbers) Anyone killed either intentionally or unintentionally is still dead. What's the point of bringing democracy to people if all that happens is that you get blown up in the queue to vote. I'm not being judgemental one way or another just interested to see people's views, I'm not even sure of my own opinion! I suppose in a way, your right, and people will always make that comparison but I think it's unfair to judge and compare the good work of our armed forces, in the defence of the UK forces (not political forces )inparticular, there intentions were noble, and were there to be freedon fighters!! I think, initially, the people of Iraq were grateful for the release from saddams clutches, but the aftermath and miscalculation by the US inparticular has lead to this mess. After the inital victory, instead of encorporating the old guard and saddams forces into the fold or totally destroying it, the US, let the 1000's of saddams soldiers regroup and form the initial resistance, with the help of foriegn jihadis and foriegn money, the reistance became very powerful and has upset the rival sunni and shia factions and hence has caused civil war. At this moment, US\UK forces are seen as the culprits and with hatred, as it is easier to accuse foriegn elements for this mess rather then there own!! But if they leave, civil war will escalate and the masses of oil will go to waste!!
Guest Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Im bored now I've got three essays due in for next week
Katy Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 I've got three essays due in for next week Good luck with that! Ive got a zillion cards to scan onto my pc this week id rather do essays
Guest Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Good luck with that! Ive got a zillion cards to scan onto my pc this week id rather do essays I'd rather do the cards - swap?Why oh why do I procrastinate?
The People's Hero Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 I'd rather do the cards - swap? Why oh why do I procrastinate? *waits* All the best people procratinate.
Katy Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 I'd rather do the cards - swap? Why oh why do I procrastinate? Scanning stuff is boring, at least interesting information is flowing through your brain and being transfered onto paper. Click click not cluck cluck. At least Saddam doesnt have this problem
lcfc_jme Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 I don't give two sh!ts about Saddam Hussein tbh. He can commit suicide like a coward if he wants, face up to death like the military man he is seeing as he "doesn't fear death" anyway, or he can just rot in prison 'til he dies. Makes no odds to me so long as he dies one way or the other. The Human Rights campaigners can fook off though, and so can the Stop the War people, who are calling for Bush and Blair to be tried and sentenced to death also. I do not support the two of them or the War on Terror any more than the next person, but for them to be compared to a flippin' dictator who ordered the massacre of people for bollox all is pathetic (p.s., at least the two of them give people a chance to vote for other people in elections, and if the people were so unhappy with them, they'd have ensured that B+B were removed )
Katy Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 I don't give two sh!ts about Saddam Hussein tbh. He can commit suicide like a coward if he wants, face up to death like the military man he is seeing as he "doesn't fear death" anyway, or he can just rot in prison 'til he dies. Makes no odds to me so long as he dies one way or the other. The Human Rights campaigners can fook off though, and so can the Stop the War people, who are calling for Bush and Blair to be tried and sentenced to death also. I do not support the two of them or the War on Terror any more than the next person, but for them to be compared to a flippin' dictator who ordered the massacre of people for bollox all is pathetic (p.s., at least the two of them give people a chance to vote for other people in elections, and if the people were so unhappy with them, they'd have ensured that B+B were removed ) Sadly either way he will be seen as a martyr. People still blindlessly follow this guy, I don't understand this world sometimes.
lcfc_jme Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Sadly either way he will be seen as a martyr. People still blindlessly follow this guy, I don't understand this world sometimes. And you are not the only one. I for one cannot understand many things in this world, and some things don't even bare contemplating. As for Saddam, he was a **** to his own people, yet many of them still love him and are even prepared to kill and die for him. What sense does that make in all honesty?? None. Considering the definition of the word martyr, it is right he will be viewed as such by a certain group of people. But by the majority he will be viewed as scum and one who was rightly executed for some of the inexcusable and avoidable (he was given a death sentence in 1959 but he escaped it) things he has done.
davieG Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Sadly either way he will be seen as a martyr. People still blindlessly follow this guy, I don't understand this world sometimes. It's not surprising when we have half the population drooling and wetting themselves everytime some 'celebrity' passes the time of day.
Leonisco Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 I don't give two sh!ts about Saddam Hussein tbh. He can commit suicide like a coward if he wants, face up to death like the military man he is seeing as he "doesn't fear death" anyway, or he can just rot in prison 'til he dies. Makes no odds to me so long as he dies one way or the other. The Human Rights campaigners can fook off though, and so can the Stop the War people, who are calling for Bush and Blair to be tried and sentenced to death also. I do not support the two of them or the War on Terror any more than the next person, but for them to be compared to a flippin' dictator who ordered the massacre of people for bollox all is pathetic (p.s., at least the two of them give people a chance to vote for other people in elections, and if the people were so unhappy with them, they'd have ensured that B+B were removed ) Absolutely well said, sir.
lcfc_jme Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 Absolutely well said, sir. Thanks I'm glad you think so. Not a supporter of Human Rights campaigners and the like yourself then??
Lemon Harpic Posted 6 November 2006 Posted 6 November 2006 The Human Rights campaigners can fook off though, and so can the Stop the War people, who are calling for Bush and Blair to be tried and sentenced to death also. I do not support the two of them or the War on Terror any more than the next person, but for them to be compared to a flippin' dictator who ordered the massacre of people for bollox all is pathetic I wonder how Saddam Hussein ever found out that massacring people was such fun? Ah yes! After being installed (by er, the CIA), Hussein's first task from his masters in Washington was to massacre thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers, a list of whom was helpfully provided by the CIA. Let's be honest, if Saddam had never threatened US interests, then the West would still be turning a blind eye to his atrocities. As Lisa Simpson said, you cannot create a monster and then complain when it stomps on a few buildings.
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