Saddam sentenced to death by hanging

[lcfc_jme]

I wonder how Saddam Hussein ever found out that massacring people was such fun?

Ah yes! After being installed (by er, the CIA), Hussein's first task from his masters in Washington was to massacre thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers, a list of whom was helpfully provided by the CIA.

Let's be honest, if Saddam had never threatened US interests, then the West would still be turning a blind eye to his atrocities.

As Lisa Simpson said, you cannot create a monster and then complain when it stomps on a few buildings.

Human Rights campaigner, Stop the War activist, General Idiot or somebody that just loves to try and piss all over everybody elses good news? Or are you just simply somebody who looks to pick arguments with people 'cos you have nothing better to do with yourself?

If you're any of the above, then please do not bother replying to or using any of my posts in anything you say in the future, as I have no time for people such as yourself (providing that at least one of the things I listed applied to you).

I don't mind people expressing their opinions, 'cos that's what the internet, and General Chat in particular, is for. But I don't particularly like the types of people I listed above, as it's those types of people who stop tw@ts like Saddam, Ian Huntley and the like getting what they deserve.

[Leonisco]

I wonder how Saddam Hussein ever found out that massacring people was such fun?

Ah yes! After being installed (by er, the CIA), Hussein's first task from his masters in Washington was to massacre thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers, a list of whom was helpfully provided by the CIA.

Let's be honest, if Saddam had never threatened US interests, then the West would still be turning a blind eye to his atrocities.

As Lisa Simpson said, you cannot create a monster and then complain when it stomps on a few buildings.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

What planet are you on matey?

You're just one of these people who just HAS to criticise everything this country does. I admit, we don't often get it right, but even when we do (and I'm not necessarily saying Iraq is one of those occasions) you still have to find fault in everything.

[C-man]

I hope its on TV.

[Daggers]

at least the two of them give people a chance to vote for other people in elections, and if the people were so unhappy with them, they'd have ensured that B+B were removed

Aside from the fact that Bush 'lost', was voted out of office, and yet still remains there...

[Leonisco]

I hope its on TV.

So do I. This sounds a horrible thing to say, but if there's one person I'd love to see die live on TV it's him. Problem is you'd get people like Lemon Harpic and his fellow Terrorists' Rights Campaigners protesting about how it's cruel and inhumane. Oh and did I mention - it's all our fault anyway. <_<

[Lemon Harpic]

I don't mind people expressing their opinions, 'cos that's what the internet, and General Chat in particular, is for. But I don't particularly like the types of people I listed above, as it's those types of people who stop tw@ts like Saddam, Ian Huntley and the like getting what they deserve.

It's those types of people who, if people listen to them, stop Saddam being installed in the first place.

Prevention is better than cure.

Why not sign up to Amnesty International, and help put pressure on the US and UK to stop installing, funding and arming dictators who use torture, just as Hussein was funded, installed and armed by the USA all those years ago?

Your position seems very strange, incongruent to the point of schizophrenia. On one hand you reserve a lot of vitriol for human rights campaigners, implying it would be better to turn a blind eye to torture and abuse, and on the other hand you celebrate Hussein's verdict because of all the er, torture and abuse.

Perhaps you need to examine your beliefs a little more closely?

[Lemon Harpic]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

What planet are you on matey?

Earth.

You're just one of these people who just HAS to criticise everything this country does. I admit, we don't often get it right, but even when we do (and I'm not necessarily saying Iraq is one of those occasions) you still have to find fault in everything.

Installing a brutal dictator and then reducing the entire country to rubble trying to oust him?

God, some people just have to nitpick...

[Lemon Harpic]

So do I. This sounds a horrible thing to say, but if there's one person I'd love to see die live on TV it's him. Problem is you'd get people like Lemon Harpic and his fellow Terrorists' Rights Campaigners protesting about how it's cruel and inhumane. Oh and did I mention - it's all our fault anyway. <_<

I'm very anti-Saddam. He ought to have been hung from a lamppost years ago. If the execution is on tv I'll watch it.

Unlike you, however, I dislike ALL dictators. I think that it is important that we have people who try and stop dictators who torture and abuse their citizens. People who campaign for human rights.

I also think it's important not to give dictators money, arms, and training.

But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

[lcfc_jme]

* Lots of bad things directed at jme *

Don't like Human Rights campaigners, they get involved in certain things which I don't think they should. But this forum is not a place I will go and air my views in full at such an hour - that'll come tomorrow during the daytime

I am currently in peaceful mode. However it would be fun to actually have this conversation in person with you really so that you could get more of an idea of my sentiments and understand where I'm coming from, which, with text on an internet page, you can't do sometimes.

[Daggers]

Don't like Human Rights campaigners, they get involved in certain things which I don't think they should.

Please, just go read the site before you post.

[Leonisco]

Installing a brutal dictator and then reducing the entire country to rubble trying to oust him?

Bullshit.

The CIA did NOT install Saddam as leader. They gave ASSISTANCE to ALL opponents of Iraq's regime during the late 60's. Yes, admittedly that was for their own ends, but that's a whole different ball game to actually "installing a brutal dictator". At this time, Saddam wasn't even the leader of his own party, so how could thye possibly have known he would later come to power. You have completely blown everything out of proportion and are effectively saying Saddam's regime is all our fault.

I don't want to fall out with you, mate, you're entitled to your opinions and I respect that. But it really riles me when people like you go on like our government is all terrible and monstrous, because it seems to me like you're afraid to blame others in case they take objection to it.

[lcfc_jme]

Please, just go read the site before you post.

Robert from the Disco, I like your work on this site, I think you do a good job entertaining people and also contributing with some good stuff in between. But I am in no mood to look at anything to do with Human Rights tonight, with all due respect.

I shall browse the site tomorrow, and I am in no doubt that they campaign for some good causes. But some of them get involved in certain things I feel they have no right whatsoever to get involved and help the people in. And also, the Human Rights Act is cited by criminals to take the piss out of our legal system, and it needs severly reviewing before I am in full support of it

please note, I am being as nice and civilised as possible because I like your work on the forum and you are not one who I usually disagree with/dislike on here!

[Lemon Harpic]

You have completely blown everything out of proportion and are effectively saying Saddam's regime is all our fault.

How the CIA found and groomed Saddam Hussein

But it really riles me when people like you go on like our government is all terrible and monstrous

Are you American, Leonisco?

All I'm saying is that we should not ignore the fact that the USA (and the UK) was and is only too happy to jump into bed with brutal dictators. Not only Saddam Hussein but also General Sani Abacha, Idi Amin, Colonel Hugo Banzer, Fulgencio Batista, Sir Hassanal Bolkiah, P.W. Botha, General Humberto Branco, Raoul Cedras, Vinicio Cerezo, Chiang Kai-Shek, Roberto Suazo Cordova, Alfredo Christiani, Ngo Dihn Diem, General Samuel Doe, Francois Duvalier, Jean Claude Duvalier, King Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, Hassan II, Ferdinand Marcos, General Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez, Mobutu Sese Seko, General Efrain Rios Montt, General Manuel Noriega, Turgut Ozal, Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi, George Papadopoulos, Park Chung Hee, General Augusto Pinochet, General Sitiveni Rabuka, Halie Salassie, Antonio de Oliveira Salazar, Anastasio Somoza Jr., Anastasio Somoza Sr., Ian Smith, Alfredo Stroessner, General Suharto, Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, General Jorge Rafael Videla, Mohammed Zia Ul-Haq etc etc

To condemn Hussein without mentioning the role the USA played in inflicting him on Iraq is hypocritical and dishonest.

I will not apologize for bringing some balance and context to a one-sided thread.

[Leonisco]

Are you American, Leonisco?

Fvck no - there's a big clue in my profile - it says:

From: Leicester.

Sorry, I wasn't being clear, I used the term 'our government' as a general statement for Blair and Bush. I'm sorry, but implying that the CIA 'groomed' Saddam is utterly preposterous. If you read my above post, I stated that, yes, the CIA funded Saddam's party (AMONG OTHERS) of which he wasn't at that time leader in order to overthrow the Iraqi government that had grown close to communism. But to suggest that Saddam personally was 'groomed' is bvllshit - he didn't even become leader of the Ba'ath party until 1979 - over 10 years after the CIA funding of Iraqi opposition groups began. At the time, the CIA COULD NOT POSSIBLE HAVE KNOWN what a monster he would grow into.

The word you seem to be using a lot - 'grooming' - is worrying me. It's like you think they actually taught him to repress and kill his own people. Please tell me you don't seriously think that.

[Hullfox]

I will not apologize for bringing some balance and context to a one-sided thread.

Whether it brings balance and context is irrelevant. Your viewpoint is valid and should be welcomed. It seems to me that in many arguments across all forums people are too quick to ridicule/discount opposing viewpoints.

I like alternative views, they make me think about my own position.

Others obviously see them as a threat.

[Hullfox]

Fvck no - there's a big clue in my profile - it says:

From: Leicester.

Ermmm...Leicester is also a town in Addison County, Vermont, United States.

[Leonisco]

Ermmm...Leicester is also a town in Addison County, Vermont, United States.

Hull is also a town in:

Tuscaloosa County, Alabama

Walker County, Alabama

Madison County, Georgia

Pike County, Illinois

Sioux County, Iowa

Plymouth County, Massachusetts

McDowell County, West Virginia

Marathon County, Wisconsin

Portage County, Wisconsin

Which one are you from Hullfox?

I love wikipedia

[Daggers]

I love wikipedia

Maybe you won't, one day HERE

[Lemon Harpic]

The word you seem to be using a lot - 'grooming' - is worrying me. It's like you think they actually taught him to repress and kill his own people. Please tell me you don't seriously think that.

I have used the word 'grooming' a grand total of zero times in this thread. The word 'groomed' appears in the headline of an article entitled How the CIA found and groomed Saddam Hussein. An article it is clear you haven't read.

Yes, Saddam Hussein did personally receive CIA training.

Yes, the CIA did collude with Hussein when he was in power in the killing and repression of thousands of his own people.

If you think that the USA gives a shit about human rights, if you think that America is too moral to dirty her hands with torture and abuse, then you are not living in reality.

But who can blame you? The world is such a cruel and brutal place. It's much easier to believe in fantasies.

[Hullfox]

Hull is also a town in:

Tuscaloosa County, Alabama

Walker County, Alabama

Madison County, Georgia

Pike County, Illinois

Sioux County, Iowa

Plymouth County, Massachusetts

McDowell County, West Virginia

Marathon County, Wisconsin

Portage County, Wisconsin

Which one are you from Hullfox?

I love wikipedia

Leicester, England.

Maybe your big clue wasnt so big eh?

[Thracian]

I have used the word 'grooming' a grand total of zero times in this thread. The word 'groomed' appears in the headline of an article entitled How the CIA found and groomed Saddam Hussein. An article it is clear you haven't read.

Yes, Saddam Hussein did personally receive CIA training.

Yes, the CIA did collude with Hussein when he was in power in the killing and repression of thousands of his own people.

If you think that the USA gives a shit about human rights, if you think that America is too moral to dirty her hands with torture and abuse, then you are not living in reality.

But who can blame you? The world is such a cruel and brutal place. It's much easier to believe in fantasies.

The world is full of hypocrisy. But you't don't need to go as far as the US. The stonewalling and the cover-up over what happened to The Princess of Wales and Dodi Fayed is so full of holes as to be embarrassing.

And how long has every line of that inquiry been deflected so far. Getting on for 10 years. Imagine you were involved in a suspicious death. Can you imagine it would take 10 years to sort out?

Yet people don't seem particularly bothered. What's another chapter in the scheme of corruption, misinformation and manipulation. Feed people enough and they won't care at all.

The secret handshakes won't tremble, never imagine that. They've got a very strong team, strong in depth too.

[The People's Hero]

Robert from the Disco, I like your work on this site, I think you do a good job entertaining people and also contributing with some good stuff in between. But I am in no mood to look at anything to do with Human Rights tonight, with all due respect.

I shall browse the site tomorrow, and I am in no doubt that they campaign for some good causes. But some of them get involved in certain things I feel they have no right whatsoever to get involved and help the people in. And also, the Human Rights Act is cited by criminals to take the piss out of our legal system, and it needs severly reviewing before I am in full support of it

please note, I am being as nice and civilised as possible because I like your work on the forum and you are not one who I usually disagree with/dislike on here!

That's the thing with rights mate, same as everything else, vindictive nasty people can bend and manipulate and take advantage of them.

Kind of a side topic but would anyone be willing to build a website for a good cause (for free?)

[Manwell Pablo]

That's the thing with rights mate, same as everything else, vindictive nasty people can bend and manipulate and take advantage of them.

Kind of a side topic but would anyone be willing to build a website for a good cause (for free?)

What do you want it for? I have better things to do with my time than work on www.cockbadgers.com for you.

[Katy]

That's the thing with rights mate, same as everything else, vindictive nasty people can bend and manipulate and take advantage of them.

Kind of a side topic but would anyone be willing to build a website for a good cause (for free?)

Im in the middle of revamping mine at the moment. I could give you a hand when ive finished if you like.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Human Rights campaigner, Stop the War activist, General Idiot or somebody that just loves to try and piss all over everybody elses good news? Or are you just simply somebody who looks to pick arguments with people 'cos you have nothing better to do with yourself?

If you're any of the above, then please do not bother replying to or using any of my posts in anything you say in the future, as I have no time for people such as yourself (providing that at least one of the things I listed applied to you).

I don't mind people expressing their opinions, 'cos that's what the internet, and General Chat in particular, is for. But I don't particularly like the types of people I listed above, as it's those types of people who stop tw@ts like Saddam, Ian Huntley and the like getting what they deserve.

Apparently I'm a village idiot - do I fall under the umbrella of general idiocy or do I have to branch out in my madcap tomfoolery, perhaps onto a more global basis, before I am blamed for "Saddam, Ian Huntley and the like" not getting what they deserve?