ossieram Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 What you will probably find is that the people involved will get their front door kicked in in the very near future at 6am. The police probably thought that it would be better if instead of going into a hostile crowd to make the arrests they could do it at a later date thnks to cctv footage. But because the staff in the kiosk felt threatened they made the decision to close it which sparked off angry scenes that the police could'nt ignore. No doubt we will hear of Leicester fans being nicked and banned because of the stupidity of a few.
Guest Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Lisa was right the bar and burger stall stayed open all the time. Thank you. HOOF. This question seems to be getting ignored. So is it because it was Leicester fans that were caught up in it that some of you think the Police should have left them to it or would you expect them to leave other fans to damage your own ground. It's being ignored as a few seasons back, F****t fans managed to break the shutters separating them from us. Of course our fans were outraged at the time. However, double standards are very acceptable in this day and age.
ossieram Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Thank you. It's being ignored as a few seasons back, F****t fans managed to break the shutters separating them from us. Of course our fans were outraged at the time. However, double standards are very acceptable in this day and age. Honesty :w00t: Thank you for the reply.
Guest Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Honesty :w00t: Thank you for the reply. I would have replied sooner, but I had to go on an 11k run!!
davieG Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 As regards the bar room scuffle, I think our fans behaved very badly, but also believe that the whole thing could have been largely avoided if some communication had been in the offing. If a police representative had announced over a hailer why the shutters were down and that if everyone remained calm they would be reopended shortly it would have saved a lot of trouble. Communication seems to me to be at the root of most of the policing problems, they just don't explain why things are happening. On the way out we were redirected to an alternative exit but having got so far there was no one to say which of the many exits we should take so we had 20/30 fans all getting pissed off, yet we were out numbered by marshalls and police who all stood there looking gormless, until I asked one of them where we were supposed to go - they then volunteered the information. Yet again a lack of communication. If the excuse is they didn't have a hailer then I suggest they look at their health & safety procedures and risk management because if they'd needed to take some action because of say a fire or a bomb scare they'd as likely as not have got a simimlar reaction As for the police being overly aggressive there was an incident I witnessed of this happening. A guy on the end of our row was giving a half hearted willy puller sign to the Derby fans, this led to a Police officer holding him down in his seat in what amounted to a strangle hold and some very threateningagressive facial expressions, admittedly I didn't hear what was said but to me it was way over the top, when a quiet word and a smile would have been better approach. I would add none of this excuses some of the behaviour of a minority of LCFC fans which I found not only embarrassing, but will lead to even tighter policing next time we go to Derby and other football matches.
Thracian Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 As regards the bar room scuffle, I think our fans behaved very badly, but also believe that the whole thing could have been largely avoided if some communication had been in the offing. If a police representative had announced over a hailer why the shutters were down and that if everyone remained calm they would be reopended shortly it would have saved a lot of trouble. Communication seems to me to be at the root of most of the policing problems, they just don't explain why things are happening. On the way out we were redirected to an alternative exit but having got so far there was no one to say which of the many exits we should take so we had 20/30 fans all getting pissed off, yet we were out numbered by marshalls and police who all stood there looking gormless, until I asked one of them where we were supposed to go - they then volunteered the information. Yet again a lack of communication. If the excuse is they didn't have a hailer then I suggest they look at their health & safety procedures and risk management because if they'd needed to take some action because of say a fire or a bomb scare they'd as likely as not have got a simimlar reaction As for the police being overly aggressive there was an incident I witnessed of this happening. A guy on the end of our row was giving a half hearted willy puller sign to the Derby fans, this led to a Police officer holding him down in his seat in what amounted to a strangle hold and some very threateningagressive facial expressions, admittedly I didn't hear what was said but to me it was way over the top, when a quiet word and a smile would have been better approach. I would add none of this excuses some of the behaviour of a minority of LCFC fans which I found not only embarrassing, but will lead to even tighter policing next time we go to Derby and other football matches. Quality post. 100% agree.
Floating Fox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 No. Does this mean I can't contribute to a discussion regarding policing at football matches? No not about this particular case you shouldnt - And if you do your point in inferior to those that were involved in the middle of it all.
Floating Fox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 As regards the bar room scuffle, I think our fans behaved very badly, but also believe that the whole thing could have been largely avoided if some communication had been in the offing. If a police representative had announced over a hailer why the shutters were down and that if everyone remained calm they would be reopended shortly it would have saved a lot of trouble. Communication seems to me to be at the root of most of the policing problems, they just don't explain why things are happening. On the way out we were redirected to an alternative exit but having got so far there was no one to say which of the many exits we should take so we had 20/30 fans all getting pissed off, yet we were out numbered by marshalls and police who all stood there looking gormless, until I asked one of them where we were supposed to go - they then volunteered the information. Yet again a lack of communication. If the excuse is they didn't have a hailer then I suggest they look at their health & safety procedures and risk management because if they'd needed to take some action because of say a fire or a bomb scare they'd as likely as not have got a simimlar reaction As for the police being overly aggressive there was an incident I witnessed of this happening. A guy on the end of our row was giving a half hearted willy puller sign to the Derby fans, this led to a Police officer holding him down in his seat in what amounted to a strangle hold and some very threateningagressive facial expressions, admittedly I didn't hear what was said but to me it was way over the top, when a quiet word and a smile would have been better approach. I would add none of this excuses some of the behaviour of a minority of LCFC fans which I found not only embarrassing, but will lead to even tighter policing next time we go to Derby and other football matches. Very well said there Davie. As I've said it was 100% avoidable.
davieG Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 No not about this particular case you shouldnt - And if you do your point in inferior to those that were involved in the middle of it all. On the other hand a more objective less biased viewpoint on matters that are common to most football games, unclouded by the days events can bring a welcome and different perspective, (cue DB) to the discussion.
Gazza Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 The biggest groups of thugs out on saterday were Derbyshire police force.
davieG Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Very well said there Davie. As I've said it was 100% avoidable. Thanks for that, but I didn't say it was 100% avoidable, there might still have been some LCFC fans hell bent on causing trouble even if there was some commnuication.
The People's Hero Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 No not about this particular case you shouldnt - And if you do your point in inferior to those that were involved in the middle of it all. Then you clearly lack the intellectual capacity to contextualise this or look at it in any other way than 'I was there, I know best'. I didn't make specific reference to this case. I made general points which may well apply to this case and might not. All I've heard from other members of this forum regarding you has been bad. I'm beginning to tire of you and I'll be honest, you're lucky I'm not a mod. Now run along.
Floating Fox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 On the other hand a more objective less biased viewpoint on matters that are common to most football games, unclouded by the days events can bring a welcome and different perspective, (cue DB) to the discussion. Yes but how can you say something when you haven't seen it or know hardly anything about it that would be like me trying to comment on something i had only heard about. I prefer to actaulyl have seen the events and been somewhat invbolved before i make a comment on them. Not aimed at you Davie.
Fox in a Box Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Kniton Mat, y u diss my pOST??? I fink dat we av sum well gud playaz! Huse is da man & I fink we onley loose becoz of the police!!!! Pigzz! Also da refz r all agenst us..haha. Lesta r da best!!!!!! TPH..... this happens to be the funniest thing ive seen in ages, it really sums this forum up at times.... I know your taking the P*ZZ .. I awlso fink dat howsy and humi are wicid.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Yes but how can you say something when you haven't seen it or know hardly anything about it that would be like me trying to comment on something i had only heard about. I prefer to actaulyl have seen the events and been somewhat invbolved before i make a comment on them. Not aimed at you Davie. Because he can piece togther what went on through the use of secondary sources and his knowledge of how our suppourters can be/how the police can be and make his own opinion. As your opinion is probabley biased as you were caught up in it all his may be more level headed. It's like your opinion on the football, you don't have to be there to know how we're playing. Espically when you go most weeks and you've missed one or two games because you know Leicester are going to lose. When you hear John Barber droaning on about lack of ideas and long balls and lack of creativity you don't need to see whats going on on the pitch, you've already seen it plenty of times before.
ossieram Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 The biggest groups of thugs out on saterday were Derbyshire police force. And the biggest fool on here is you. We have had no trouble at Derby so far this season apart from some bitter Preston fans ripping seats out. The fact that everybody that travelled to the game on saturday were not Leicesters normal fans made this a bit harder for the police to use their normal methods. If your idiots had not tried to rob the kiosk none of this would have happened. Maybe some plod overreacted,but have you ever faced a baying crowd of people that seem intent on doing damage and are threatening you? Do you know how you would react in their place? I know for a fact that if it was me in their shoes, the first person to come into range whilst acting in a threatening manner would be feeling pain from my baton. And anyone that did'nt learn from his mistake would get some of the same. At the end of the day the plod are human(almost)and no matter what training they have had,when faced with a crowd who are praising a cop killer whilst threatening your safety they are going to react. Maybe someone should contact DCFC to see if they have got the incident on their cctv and if the police have gone ott people can take action.
The People's Hero Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Yes but how can you say something when you haven't seen it or know hardly anything about it that would be like me trying to comment on something i had only heard about. I prefer to actaulyl have seen the events and been somewhat invbolved before i make a comment on them. Not aimed at you Davie. So it only applies to me and not Davie! Really makes your point worthwhile. *laments the day he lost his mod powers*
Sods Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 I am commenting on saturday at what happened at half time, i would do this in the half time thread but it has been closed. me and my mate were down stairs when all of sudden the shutters closed. A lot of people were hittng the shutters because they were pissed off their were closed. A women did come out later and said ' were trying to open the shutters but their automatic' but she couldn't be heard beacause everyone was singing 'Derbyshire is full of shit'. Than the coppers came out of nowhere and loads of leicester fans charged at the police. The leicester fans were singing songs and at this point i thought it was quality until i saw a copper kick the shit into some bloke, it looked like he was pushed into them. After this the leicester fans from the back were chucking coins, beer, drinks of some sort, trying to hit the coppers. The coppers were going crazy at the leicester fans at who were at the front, i got pushed away by some sheep shagging policeman for singing 'who r ya'. Although this happend i thought the day was a good experiance, thought the marching was quality, but that was because i never had been marched before. Another reason why the derbyshire police are shite is because i saw a bloke in the train station who looked a bit drunk but was looking at the train times screen but then got smacked by a baton in the leg. Also i asked a copper does the train go to market harbrough he replied yes you little shit and get on the train pushing me. I think a derby fan was commenting on their fans saying theve never had voilence or voilent behavior, so why the hell did a derby fan shout your dead puting sliding his finger across his neck to some leicester fan.
Thracian Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Yes but how can you say something when you haven't seen it or know hardly anything about it that would be like me trying to comment on something i had only heard about. I prefer to actaulyl have seen the events and been somewhat invbolved before i make a comment on them. Not aimed at you Davie. Nor should it be. I am quite certain, from what he says apart from anything else, that DavieG saw some of what happened in the concourse!. Indeed I glad he referred to the shutters being down on the serving kiosk because after reading one or two comments on here, I was beginning to doubt I had watched those shutters come down while a big queue of fans waited opposite - some, I'm sure, in the expectation of being served.
ossieram Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 I am commenting on saturday at what happened at half time, i would do this in the half time thread but it has been closed. me and my mate were down stairs when all of sudden the shutters closed. A lot of people were hittng the shutters because they were pissed off their were closed. A women did come out later and said ' were trying to open the shutters but their automatic' but she couldn't be heard beacause everyone was singing 'Derbyshire is full of shit'. Than the coppers came out of nowhere and loads of leicester fans charged at the police. The leicester fans were singing songs and at this point i thought it was quality until i saw a copper kick the shit into some bloke, it looked like he was pushed into them. After this the leicester fans from the back were chucking coins, beer, drinks of some sort, trying to hit the coppers. The coppers were going crazy at the leicester fans at who were at the front, i got pushed away by some sheep shagging policeman for singing 'who r ya'. Although this happend i thought the day was a good experiance, thought the marching was quality, but that was because i never had been marched before. Another reason why the derbyshire police are shite is because i saw a bloke in the train station who looked a bit drunk but was looking at the train times screen but then got smacked by a baton in the leg. Also i asked a copper does the train go to market harbrough he replied yes you little shit and get on the train pushing me. I think a derby fan was commenting on their fans saying theve never had voilence or voilent behavior, so why the hell did a derby fan shout your dead puting sliding his finger across his neck to some leicester fan. So you thought it was quality when they charged the police but did'nt like it when the police fought back.
Sods Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 So you thought it was quality when they charged the police but did'nt like it when the police fought back. sorry mate i ment to say it was good everyone singing songs, not the voilence.
Surreal Madrid Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 So you thought it was quality when they charged the police but did'nt like it when the police fought back. I'm guessing here, but I think Foxlad may not be a member of his local Neighbourhood Watch Scheme.
Sods Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 I'm guessing here, but I think Foxlad may not be a member of his local Neighbourhood Watch Scheme. Those guys are a bit pointless. But seroisly Read my reply mate i wasn't agreeing with the voilence i said i enjoyed all the chanting and singing.
Surreal Madrid Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Those guys are a bit pointless. But seroisly Read my reply mate i wasn't agreeing with the voilence i said i enjoyed all the chanting and singing. No offence, I took it the way it was written, but I can see what you meant now you have pointed it out.
Sods Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 No offence, I took it the way it was written, but I can see what you meant now you have pointed it out. Don't worry about it mate.
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