Floating Fox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Because he can piece togther what went on through the use of secondary sources and his knowledge of how our suppourters can be/how the police can be and make his own opinion. As your opinion is probabley biased as you were caught up in it all his may be more level headed. It's like your opinion on the football, you don't have to be there to know how we're playing. Espically when you go most weeks and you've missed one or two games because you know Leicester are going to lose. When you hear John Barber droaning on about lack of ideas and long balls and lack of creativity you don't need to see whats going on on the pitch, you've already seen it plenty of times before. Okay I can see that I may be biased and that TPH could be unbiased but I would still say Primary sources are better than secondary?
Thracian Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 I am commenting on saturday at what happened at half time, i would do this in the half time thread but it has been closed. me and my mate were down stairs when all of sudden the shutters closed. A lot of people were hittng the shutters because they were pissed off their were closed. A women did come out later and said ' were trying to open the shutters but their automatic' but she couldn't be heard beacause everyone was singing 'Derbyshire is full of shit'. Than the coppers came out of nowhere and loads of leicester fans charged at the police. The leicester fans were singing songs and at this point i thought it was quality until i saw a copper kick the shit into some bloke, it looked like he was pushed into them. After this the leicester fans from the back were chucking coins, beer, drinks of some sort, trying to hit the coppers. The coppers were going crazy at the leicester fans at who were at the front, i got pushed away by some sheep shagging policeman for singing 'who r ya'. Although this happend i thought the day was a good experiance, thought the marching was quality, but that was because i never had been marched before. Another reason why the derbyshire police are shite is because i saw a bloke in the train station who looked a bit drunk but was looking at the train times screen but then got smacked by a baton in the leg. Also i asked a copper does the train go to market harbrough he replied yes you little shit and get on the train pushing me. I think a derby fan was commenting on their fans saying theve never had voilence or voilent behavior, so why the hell did a derby fan shout your dead puting sliding his finger across his neck to some leicester fan. Unless you've got photos or film I doubt you'll change the opinions of anyone. In fact I doubt you'd change their opinions if you did have "evidence" because they don't necessarily cover everything that would lead up to an incident. As for a policeman hitting a drunk on the leg with his baton just for reading the Train Timetable you must be mistaken. Policemen wouldn't do that to anyone who was "innocent" and he wouldn't be innocent anyway if he was drunk - he'd be a potential threat to society, the timetable, the police officer, the passengers on the train, his own safety, the list is endless. And are you sure it wasn't a newspaper the policeman was using or that he wan't just nudging him to say the train was due. Perhaps you'd had a few and were just imagining it. Recollection is a funny thing. I saw a serving kiosk closed and the shutters come down but I've been made to wonder if it was imagination. And I was sober! Funny how we all see the same things differently - even those who are there. PS: As to your point, Lisa about the kiosk in the Halftime thread I know that's what you said and someone else came in insisting the bar/burger didn't close - making me seem like a liar. Your "thankyou" simply gave the point credibility. You seem to think I have something against you but I don't. Yet we always end up clashing for some reason. I would happily call a truce but whatever's there with you would still be simmering and if I didn't get it from you I'd get it from one of your pals. Like using the word alleged. If DavieG had used the word alleged no problem but if I use such a right and proper qualification then I get an ear bashing from your friend Hullfox. And you wonder why I get pissed off. Things I say get twisted inside out so that I'm suddenly conducting an anti-Police campaign instead of criticisng a few individual police officers for their actions.
Gazza Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 And the biggest fool on here is you. We have had no trouble at Derby so far this season apart from some bitter Preston fans ripping seats out. The fact that everybody that travelled to the game on saturday were not Leicesters normal fans made this a bit harder for the police to use their normal methods. If your idiots had not tried to rob the kiosk none of this would have happened. Maybe some plod overreacted,but have you ever faced a baying crowd of people that seem intent on doing damage and are threatening you? Do you know how you would react in their place? I know for a fact that if it was me in their shoes, the first person to come into range whilst acting in a threatening manner would be feeling pain from my baton. And anyone that did'nt learn from his mistake would get some of the same. At the end of the day the plod are human(almost)and no matter what training they have had,when faced with a crowd who are praising a cop killer whilst threatening your safety they are going to react. Maybe someone should contact DCFC to see if they have got the incident on their cctv and if the police have gone ott people can take action. I wasnt on about the half time incident, didnt see it so can't comment. Im talking about the heavy handed tactics the police used on saterday. People were getting pushed around like animals in the escort for "stepping off the curb" From what i saw the behaviour of Derbyshire police was a discrase and the only aggresive behavior I saw was from them.
Floating Fox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 I wasnt on about the half time incident, didnt see it so can't comment. Im talking about the heavy handed tactics the police used on saterday. People were getting pushed around like animals in the escort for "stepping off the curb" From what i saw the behaviour of Derbyshire police was a discrase and the only aggresive behavior I saw was from them. Another very fair point there I was shoved around for falling off the curb at one point Well said in that top line i think some others should take note of this
Thracian Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 I wasnt on about the half time incident, didnt see it so can't comment. Im talking about the heavy handed tactics the police used on saterday. People were getting pushed around like animals in the escort for "stepping off the curb" From what i saw the behaviour of Derbyshire police was a discrase and the only aggresive behavior I saw was from them. I know what you're saying. I perhaps even believe you. But what I'm saying is that, no matter what you saw, you won't get much sympathy from some quarters. You should really smile nicely at the police officers and take whatever they choose to dish out because even if you were doing nothing wrong and were not involved you were a part of a group of people who probably were involved. And of course your interpretation of not being part of the problem is not necessarily that of the police and they have the authority. They are right, my son. And don't you forget it. Keep your distance is my advice. In Britain 2006 they're not too keen on you playing conkers. Never mind singing into the faces of police officers.
davieG Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 So it only applies to me and not Davie! Really makes your point worthwhile. *laments the day he lost his mod powers* Ah but TPH I was there, you were not so your views are irrelevant, aren't they? You know nothing you do!
Guest Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Well said in that top line i think some others should take note of this I suppose by not being at the game, certain posters aren't entitled to an opinion about the team, the manager, his selections, the running of the club.........So much for freedom of thought and speech.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Okay I can see that I may be biased and that TPH could be unbiased but I would still say Primary sources are better than secondary? In some ways yes but they are both valid in there own way. Obviously you were there and you saw it crack off, then again you only saw parts of it and didn't have a massive overview of what went on or how is started, you just saw bits of it if you get my meaning. I do understand your points, one of the reason I've declined to offer my opinion on the subject is because I didn't see it.
Hullfox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 PS: As to Lisa's point about the kiosk in the halftime thread I know that's what you said and someone else came in insisting the bar/burger didn't close - making me seem like a liar. Your "thankyou" simply gave the point credibility. You seem to think I have something against you but I don't. Yet we always end up clashing for some reason. I would happily call a truce but whatever's there with you would still be simmering and if I didn't get it from you I'd get it from one of your pals. Like using the word alleged. If DavieG had used the word alleged no problem but if I use such a right and proper qualification then I get an ear bashing from your friend Hullfox. And you wonder why I get pissed off. Things I say get twisted inside out so that I'm suddenly conducting an anti-Police campaign instead of criticisng a few individual police officers for their actions. Hey Lisa, as we're friends, what would you like for Christmas?
Guest Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 PS: As to your point, Lisa about the kiosk in the Halftime thread I know that's what you said and someone else came in insisting the bar/burger didn't close - making me seem like a liar. Your "thankyou" simply gave the point credibility. You seem to think I have something against you but I don't. Yet we always end up clashing for some reason.I would happily call a truce but whatever's there with you would still be simmering and if I didn't get it from you I'd get it from one of your pals. Like using the word alleged. If DavieG had used the word alleged no problem but if I use such a right and proper qualification then I get an ear bashing from your friend Hullfox. And you wonder why I get pissed off. Things I say get twisted inside out so that I'm suddenly conducting an anti-Police campaign instead of criticisng a few individual police officers for their actions. I haven't commented on your views on the police, but from what I read it's a sweeping generalisation. I can see how others would read it this way. Perhaps less of the rhetoric and more stating it plain and simply would stop posts being taken out of context? Hey Lisa, as we're friends, what would you like for Christmas? I quite like last year's pressie, something similar would be nice.
Thracian Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Hey Lisa, as we're friends, what would you like for Christmas? I think you've just confirmed my point.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 I think you've just confirmed my point. Something wrong with having friends Thracian? Not got any yourself?
Hullfox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Something wrong with having friends Thracian? Not got any yourself? Look here young Manwell, any more behaviour like at Sheff Weds and you will definitely not be getting a pressie this year.
Hullfox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 I think you've just confirmed my point. No sorry, what was your point?
Foxman Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 I have to admit I was in the concourse area when everything kicked off! The only people there who acted badly were us the Leicester Fans. We caused the trouble and if we could of been well behaved it wouldn't of started. The Police only reacted to what we were doing!! They gave us all chance to leave but some mindless idiots took it on themselves to cause trouble. If you didn't want confrontation you could of left and gone back to your seats. At no point did i see any young children get hurt. I don't often stick up for the police, but on this occassion they were spot on!!
Thracian Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Something wrong with having friends Thracian? Not got any yourself? Actually, my good Shepherd died!
TheLCGs Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 We went down when it all started... But then went back up as we got rather scared
Foxman Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Yes maybe my first post but having read all the others on here though i'd put my views forward! I think a lot of the others are clouded by the fact that the people posting them were either responsible for the trouble or at the very least got involved??
Thracian Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 Yes maybe my first post but having read all the others on here though i'd put my views forward! I think a lot of the others are clouded by the fact that the people posting them were either responsible for the trouble or at the very least got involved?? Well you've probably got DavieG weighed up. You've gotta be so careful who you listen to these days!!!
john_lcfc Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 i got shoved bya Derbyshire police member for stepping off the curb and also when a derby fan threw a coin at the escort a loada lads like went "come on in" and i walked over to tell a policeman that man 10 yards away threw a coin. and this other copper saw me go over and ran and shoved me back into the escort and shouted at me "walk or get nicked".. this was right near the away end im sure many saw it???? i was pissed off with being shoved very hard for trying to grass on a derby fan throwing a coin but had the sense not to react to the policeman and to just carry on walking.. and also just reading the last few posts... yes the behaviour of lcfc fans was poor but there were definately police personell who looked like they were up for a fight/smacking a few fans with their batons. rant over
Glen_lcfc Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 The biggest groups of thugs out on saterday were Derbyshire police force. I have read this thread and the now closed ''half time'' thread with interest. I was there in the Crown and Cusion before hand and during the half time incidents and felt the two issues were dealt with completly opposite. Firstly keeping us in the pub and then marching us to the ground was a good idea and was done efficently and without any fuss or as far as I could see any probs whatsoever. However at half time, I have to admit I didnt see how it came to be a standoff but was there or thereabouts for most of it, I feel the police should have thought about just how much they were inadvertently winding the fans up and making a bad situation worse. When they all came in and stood there looking gormless, they simply gave the fans something to vent there frustration on. As the standoff continued the police obviously realised they were not protected enough for the missiles that were coming at them and so they made for the exit to cheers of 'cheerio' 'cheerio' 'cheerio' and then for a moment, in my opinion, the tension was lifted, however the police (now in full riot helmets etc) came crashing in and started the problem again. My videos are poor and do not tell the story as well as the photos probably however: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...76&hl=en-GB http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...66&hl=en-GB http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...99&hl=en-GB I just feel that the police caused far more problems that they solved at half time.
Kilworthfox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 My videos are poor and do not tell the story as well as the photos probably however: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...76&hl=en-GB http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...66&hl=en-GB http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...99&hl=en-GB I just feel that the police caused far more problems that they solved at half time. Did you cry at wembley ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha quality!
Glen_lcfc Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 haha Yeah it was the song sang the most. Closely follow by the great 'Iwan is a Welshman'
Kilworthfox Posted 27 November 2006 Posted 27 November 2006 haha Yeah it was the song sang the most. Closely follow by the great 'Iwan is a Welshman' well we got a rendition of; he's here, he's there, he's every fookin where, stevie walsh, stevie walsh ................ going which is my personal favourite
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