Rincewind Posted 3 December 2006 Posted 3 December 2006 Theres been a lot of bad things said about the police in the press and sometimes on here but after suffering a distraction burgary I am full of praise at the swift response. Not going into full details abloke woke me up about 2 on Sat afternoon and said he was looking for my neighbour (gave his name) while he was at my door he asked for a glass of water. I went to get the glass and next thing he was in my passage way. He was talking and and remarking on the visible DVD's and books. 'You like your DVD's and you like reading. He took the glass and said heid finish the water outside my flat and leave the glass outside my door. I thought nothing more of it until near the the end of the match when I realised I had not received any score text alerts. I then noticed my two mobiles were not at the side of my chair where I had left them. I called both numbers with my landline and both were on voicemail which I thought strange. After no look in searching around the area I came to the conclusion that this scrote of a low life had somehow managed to nick them. I phoned the police about five and a PC came round at around 6.30. He filled in a few forms and we had a good chat. He was helpful in explaining the procedure of every step and when he finished even gave me a lift to work. I remarked on the paperwork and he says his time is taken up with it. I said I was pleased with the response and he said that the talk about a week to attend burgaries were isolated incidents. He said Leiceshire police were putting a lot of effort into burgaries and giving them top priority. Anyway I gave a description and all the information is fed into a computer including Method and anything said to match with known people. He said theives were generally stupid and used the same method each time. Now I have to wait and see. I might be able to pick him out and the police may be able to beat pursuade a confession out of him. I have had to say I have no mental illness that the defence can use. I also said how it made me feel I said can I say pissed off he said I'll put annoyed down. So now I shall have to buy at least one new mobile. A cheap one for work contact and a better one for family friends etc which my work will not have access to Oh dear I wrote more than I intended. Still I may get the prize for the most boring post and some kind FT Admin may donate a mobile as a prize. One can only hope.
Daggers Posted 3 December 2006 Posted 3 December 2006 <coppaz> Sorry to hear about it Ken, I was made up with the way the police helped me when my motorbike got nicked. I have a number of old mobiles knocking around ~ if you PM me your address I'll pop one in the post. All the best, DB
Janx Posted 3 December 2006 Posted 3 December 2006 Ken old chap... Sorry to hear it... Burgary, buggery or Burglary are all bad!
Rincewind Posted 3 December 2006 Author Posted 3 December 2006 Cheers I may do that. Do you want anything for it? I have a old sagem Vodafone which is like a brick compared to modern ones. ButWhen I charge it up it says srvice out of date or something. Initially I just want one mainly for work. Not bothered about all the extras. Just make and receive calls. I still could get the phones back. We have my ID, neighbours ID a possible first name. They will also ask neighbours opposite and see if any CCTV footage is available. In some ways I feel guilty that they are putting that much effort into something which I could have prevented. Worse thing was I was wearing my security uniform. When I called the police the woman who took my details told me not to tell my bosses said in a joking way. I'm going to see about getting a chain put on my door. I did not invite this fellow in he followed me when I got the water.
jumbo mills Posted 3 December 2006 Posted 3 December 2006 it is like the nhs everyone slags it off, but they have always been top quality when i have used it
Thracian Posted 3 December 2006 Posted 3 December 2006 it is like the nhs everyone slags it off, but they have always been top quality when i have used it Sadly there are stories in both directions which are equally true of both organisations. But the surgeons of the NHS saved my wife's life so their brownie points should last a lifetime.
Rincewind Posted 3 December 2006 Author Posted 3 December 2006 just going to be picked up for a picture ID . You have to remain positive in these situations.
vanfox12 Posted 3 December 2006 Posted 3 December 2006 it is like the nhs everyone slags it off, but they have always been top quality when i have used it Because treatment is free at point of use people forget everyone is entitltled to treatment regradless of their circumstances.
Daggers Posted 3 December 2006 Posted 3 December 2006 they wont catch im. fullstop That's what people here said about the bike thief...but they got him and he's now inside
Rincewind Posted 3 December 2006 Author Posted 3 December 2006 Just got back from the picture ID. No joy. There were a couple that had similar features but I would not like to point the finger. Some right ugly so and so's in the collection. Hard to tell because of the faces some were pulling. Anyway they are going to try with the nearbour who let him in the front door. SOCCO may visit but not hopeful there. The glass he hadis gone. The copper searched the area after dropping me off at work and I looked in the dustbins outside. Still theres 20% (success rate quoted to me) hope which is better than none.
Random Burglar Posted 3 December 2006 Posted 3 December 2006 For the good things they do..there is always an opposite. Got on the bus on Uppingham Rd on friday night with my Girlfriend. On gets 3 blokes, Eastern European by the sound of it. One has a kitchen knife around 6 inches long in his back pocket, not knowing his jumper wasnt covering it. They were also drunk. With no battery on my phone i couldnt ring the police, in to town we get, and head to McDonalds so we can ring them from there. We explained the situation to them but wouldnt let us give a description over the phone and said they would be with us in 5 mins. 30Minutes later and there is no sign of them, we rang them again, they said there would be no-one able to deal with the situation and took our phone number from us. Its now Sunday and we havnt heard a thing. How many people were at risk? Im sure if they were carrying it, they wouldnt be scared about using it. Spoke to a member at the gym i work at who is a policemen and said it should have been treated as a grade 1. Feckin awful.
Rincewind Posted 4 December 2006 Author Posted 4 December 2006 It would be difficult for the police to do anything if they had come out. The blokes had committed no crime apart from carrying an offensive weapon. I assume you were not aware of their whereabouts after you/they got off the bus. If they had been using threatning behaviour towards anyone then no doubt the police would have responded more quickly. Friday night is a busy time in the City centre. At least they will be aware of the knife carrying person now and may follow it up in other ways. If they are regulars on the bus and you see them again I would retry or at least tell the bus driver of the possibility of one of them carrying a knife. A call from him would be treated quicker. If you were given a crime number then the incident will be on record. You never know they may have been spotted by the City centre police in which case you will not be needed. But I agree they should have come to see you if they promised or at least told you if they were unable to.
cisono Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 Burglary story... It is very sad that ill-meaning people usually take advantage of people's good nature and willingness to help And... frankly, at 2am you are unlikely to be using your best judgement anyway...
The People's Hero Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 It would be difficult for the police to do anything if they had come out. The blokes had committed no crime apart from carrying an offensive weapon. I assume you were not aware of their whereabouts after you/they got off the bus. If they had been using threatning behaviour towards anyone then no doubt the police would have responded more quickly. Friday night is a busy time in the City centre. At least they will be aware of the knife carrying person now and may follow it up in other ways. If they are regulars on the bus and you see them again I would retry or at least tell the bus driver of the possibility of one of them carrying a knife. A call from him would be treated quicker. If you were given a crime number then the incident will be on record. You never know they may have been spotted by the City centre police in which case you will not be needed. But I agree they should have come to see you if they promised or at least told you if they were unable to. Oh okay then, fu ck it, I'm going to start carrying a huge knife around then.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 Because treatment is free at point of use people forget everyone is entitltled to treatment regradless of their circumstances. The reason the NHS has so many problems is becuase no one will admit that it isn't working and is bad value for money. We can't have a sensible debate becuase the media attacks anyone who says anything against it. It's pathetic.
Rincewind Posted 4 December 2006 Author Posted 4 December 2006 Cisono it was 2pm. I had finished work at 10 and was grabbing a couple of hours of kip before the match. TPH I never said it was not an offences to carry the knife. If it has a blade over a certain length then it is. But my point is that the police would have to see the person and have justifiable reason to stop and search The term 'justifiable' of course can be interpreted anyway the police want. These men may have been in their homes by the time they arrived for the statement. If they were known to them they would only have the witnesses statement about the knife. Any defence lawyer would argue that it was a mistake. Unfortunately until the knife is actually produced there is no proof of intent to comit a crime. Lets hope some other member of the public are as vigilant and are able to contact the police sooner if they are in the same situation. It would have been better all round if the cops were waiting for the bloke as he got off the bus.
Janx Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 Cisono it was 2pm. I had finished work at 10 and was grabbing a couple of hours of kip before the match. TPH I never said it was not an offences to carry the knife. If it has a blade over a certain length then it is. But my point is that the police would have to see the person and have justifiable reason to stop and search The term 'justifiable' of course can be interpreted anyway the police want. These men may have been in their homes by the time they arrived for the statement. If they were known to them they would only have the witnesses statement about the knife. Any defence lawyer would argue that it was a mistake. Unfortunately until the knife is actually produced there is no proof of intent to comit a crime. Lets hope some other member of the public are as vigilant and are able to contact the police sooner if they are in the same situation. It would have been better all round if the cops were waiting for the bloke as he got off the bus. Frankly Ken, I am doubtful if anyone went out with anything in their back pocket in any shape or form of a knife, carving, machete or lunch.
The People's Hero Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 Ken, you misunderstand. As you quite rightly identify, it's an offence to carry a large blade. Therefore there does not have to be proven intent to use it. The carrier can be charged with simply having the weapon on their person.
Random Burglar Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 He was drunk and using threatening behaviour whilst on the bus, which including swearing and trying to force other bus users to react to him. The other people on the bus were too scared to ring the police and the driver (who saw the knife) didnt seem too fussed. One less person carrying a knife on the streets should surely be enough of a reason for the police to come straight away. I explained to the police that the men were still in sight, i could still see them 15mins after they got off the bus. All they would have needed to do was to send a unit and it would have been a simple arrest for them. (not accounting for the bloke trying to use the knife on them).
Katy Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 For the good things they do..there is always an opposite. Got on the bus on Uppingham Rd on friday night with my Girlfriend. On gets 3 blokes, Eastern European by the sound of it. One has a kitchen knife around 6 inches long in his back pocket, not knowing his jumper wasnt covering it. They were also drunk. With no battery on my phone i couldnt ring the police, in to town we get, and head to McDonalds so we can ring them from there. We explained the situation to them but wouldnt let us give a description over the phone and said they would be with us in 5 mins. 30Minutes later and there is no sign of them, we rang them again, they said there would be no-one able to deal with the situation and took our phone number from us. Its now Sunday and we havnt heard a thing. How many people were at risk? Im sure if they were carrying it, they wouldnt be scared about using it. Spoke to a member at the gym i work at who is a policemen and said it should have been treated as a grade 1. Feckin awful. Rach was telling us about that yesterday in the pub, sounds pretty scary - you did the right thing
Random Burglar Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 Yeah kinda put a dampner on the night really!
Dr The Singh Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 Yeah kinda put a dampner on the night really! Don't feel down hearted, you should feel proud!!!, You tried to do the right thing, one which not many would do, in this day and age!!!
lookwhaticando Posted 4 December 2006 Posted 4 December 2006 The two times I recall myself or my parents needing the police, they've been able to do sod all. Years ago our garage was broken into, and some items taken (who the hell steals a frozen turkey?) most of which I don't recall. Obviously, they couldn't/wouldn't do anything. Then, I was in Derby city centre when I was a lad of but 13 years of age. Some lads (late teen to early 20s) came up to me and asked me for change - which I didn't have. I was 13, I wasn't in town to spend anything so I had nothing on me. Well they didn't like the word 'No' so I got a bit of a beating. The two mates of mine who were with me were useless, but you can't blame them, they're hardly going to try and defend me against 4 or 5 late teens, it wouldn't have helped. Anyway, after taking a few hits to the face they split (this was at like 1pm on a Saturday, broad daylight and plenty of witnesses, as well as a CCTV camera within range). I was guided towards the stationary store we were in front of at the time, where I was sat down by their security guard and looked after by him and the store manager. Kind people they were, they called my dad to come and collect me, they cleaned me up a little and calmed me down a bit. I got home an hour later and the Police called around as requested later to check on me and so on. I wasn't able to give them much of a description - I didn't see their faces much at all... so all they had to go on was "four or five Pakistani-looking teens/early 20s". Regardless, they said there wasn't much they could do. I found that odd with the number of people who witnessed it and the CCTV camera that was in range... perhaps it wasn't working that day? I guess I'll never know. Needless to say, that was the last we heard on the matter. Also, I've also encountered an overzealous copper before. A group of us had gone to celebrate a friends 21st, so obviously there was booze in the air. We're a sensible bunch of people, though, and our shuttle driver for the evening had one drink very early in the evening and nothing but coke/water the rest of the night. Anyway, Mr O. Zealous was on the prowl at 3am when he decided to latch onto us and follow us for a bit. Despite nothing obviously wrong, he decided to pull us over anyway. When he realized he wasn't going to make his quota of drunk drivers for the night, he decided to write a ticket for a license plate light on the blink. No sooner had he given the driver the ticket, we heard some glass breaking on the road - as a car went by they had tossed a beer bottle or something out the window onto the road. So keen to meet his quota of tickets that he managed to miss the juiciest target of the evening.
Zingari Posted 5 December 2006 Posted 5 December 2006 i like the way the officer said that "thieves were stupid and used the same method every time"......how did that make YOU feel ?
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