DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Cornish... take your pic Who can speak what, or who wants to learn? Tá mé ag foghlaim Gaeilge.
securedfox Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Cornish... take your pic Who can speak what, or who wants to learn? Tá mé ag foghlaim Gaeilge. Enlish only i'm afraid But it's in yorkshire(not broad)
Lemon Harpic Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 Learning such a pointless language as Gaelic would be a profound waste of time. I prefer to spend my free time being irritating to the good burghers of Foxestalk.
Guest Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 Learning such a pointless language as Gaelic would be a profound waste of time. Why does that not surprise me?
Daggers Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 I prefer to spend my free time being irritating to the good burghers of Foxestalk. If anyone took you seriously anymore then you might be able to realise that goal...I find the Tellytubbies more irritating than you.
Finnegan Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 Póg mo thóin! Welsh and Kernewek (Cornish) aren't Gaelic! They're not even in the same family of languages! They're both Brythonic celtic languages. Manx, Irish and Scots Gaelic are all Goidelic. & Lemon Harpic? I do hope you're being ironic. 'Cos otherwise, you do appreciate the irony of putting down other people's cultures as inferior, whilst speaking out against the BNP in your signature, right? I mean you do appreciate you're making a complete BANANA of yourself, again? Besides, "Irish" is one of the latest officially recognised EU languages, you prize MONKEYFUNSTER. ***just to keep the good members of the moan thread happy Dave.***
Daggers Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 Health care specialists recommend that you should have your thóin looked at by a doctor every six months - and he can póg it if required on the NHS.
Finnegan Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 Health care specialists recommend that you should have your thóin looked at by a doctor every six months - and he can póg it if required on the NHS. I'll ask the nurse.
stez Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Cornish... take your pic Who can speak what, or who wants to learn? Tá mé ag foghlaim Gaeilge. i can say mynwent, araf and hysgol in welsh (i can't spell them though) a lot of welsh words ar laughably 'welsh' such as ambuwance and stuff also welsh for police is heddlu (or summat) i await red crosses and underlined words from finnegan i also see 'croeso' a lot, but as the english is always spray painted out, i don't know what it means!
Scarby Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 my dad taught himself the language when he was bored
Leonisco Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 I taught myself to sing the Irish National Anthem: Sinne Fianna Fáil Atá faoi gheall ag Éirinn BuÃÂon dár slua Thar toinn do ráinig chughainn Faoi mhóid bheith saor Sean-tÃÂr ár sinsear feasta Nàfhágfar faoin tiorán ná faoin tráill Anocht a théam sa bhearna baoil Le gean ar Ghaeil chun báis nó saoil Le gunna scréach faoi lámhach na bpiléar Seo libh canaÃÂdh Amhrán na bhFiann I have waaay too much time on my hands
Finnegan Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 Croeso means welcome. Most commonly seen on 'Croeso i Gymru' road signs.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 I'm going to call my kids Pysgod and Sglodion.
Finnegan Posted 30 December 2006 Posted 30 December 2006 I'm going to call my kids Pysgod and Sglodion. Evil ****. . My mate calls himself Pysgod. And penbwl, occasionally. Strange, strange boy.
Lemon Harpic Posted 31 December 2006 Posted 31 December 2006 & Lemon Harpic? I do hope you're being ironic. 'Cos otherwise, you do appreciate the irony of putting down other people's cultures as inferior, whilst speaking out against the BNP in your signature, right? I mean you do appreciate you're making a complete BANANA of yourself, again? Besides, "Irish" is one of the latest officially recognised EU languages, you prize MONKEYFUNSTER. I never said Gaelic culture is inferior, just that their language is a waste of time. The BNP stand for petty, small-minded nationalism. What do you think keeps Gaelic alive? We should be striving to engage with and understand as many people as possible. Gaelic just creates pointless linguistic divisions within our tiny island.
Webbo Posted 31 December 2006 Posted 31 December 2006 I never said Gaelic culture is inferior, just that their language is a waste of time. The BNP stand for petty, small-minded nationalism. What do you think keeps Gaelic alive? We should be striving to engage with and understand as many people as possible. Gaelic just creates pointless linguistic divisions within our tiny island. it's not very often i agree with a lefty but i think he's got a point.
Finnegan Posted 31 December 2006 Posted 31 December 2006 1. Irish Gaelic isn't from our tiny Island, it's from the tiny Island next door. 2. There are many different forms of nationalism, not all of them are far-right, xenophobic, cultural seperatism and bigotry. There are extremists in every political movement from anarchy to fascism and they're all dangerous. 3. I agree in parts with the anti-state concept, that we should celebrate our status as one humanity and work to lower our borders to international acceptance. I do, however, believe that celebrating who we are and our cultural identities is important and part of our make up. 4. Welsh and Gaelic have always been and both out-date English. Welsh is Europe's oldest surviving language, in fact, and has a proud and lengthy history. We've every right to uphold that and it's for that reason I learn, but it's also because it's a beautiful and poetic language and because I find it fascinating. 5. The BNP stand for anti-immigration and reverse-immigration, amongst other things, to a disgustingly prejudice, racist level. Tarring the likes of the Welsh Language Society, Sinn Fien, the FWA, the SNP, Cornish fredom groups or God knows what else with the same brush because they're known as nationalists is absolutely ludicrous.
Daggers Posted 31 December 2006 Posted 31 December 2006 <stuff> Lemon Harp-on-and-on-and-on doesn't care about facts Finn, he cares about pissing people off ~ he said as much already in the thread ~ "I prefer to spend my free time being irritating to the good burghers of Foxestalk". He may say that "We should be striving to engage with and understand as many people as possible" but that doesn't apply to him, he doesn't believe he has to understand or engage shit. He is a troll.
Finnegan Posted 31 December 2006 Posted 31 December 2006 Fully aware, I'm still interested to see what he comes up with as a rebuttle. He's tried to mug himself in several threads I've read across the board and I've had the debate of Welsh / Celtic nationalism about a thousand times with a thousand different people. Curious to see what he's got to come up with.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 1 January 2007 Author Posted 1 January 2007 I was generalising a bit, I did mean Celtic in general Éirinn go brách, Cymru am byth!
Lemon Harpic Posted 2 January 2007 Posted 2 January 2007 I've had the debate of Welsh / Celtic nationalism about a thousand times with a thousand different people. Curious to see what he's got to come up with. Happy new year, Finnegan. The issue is not nationalism per se, but language. There are two ways of viewing language. Either you see it as a tool, something we use to exchange ideas and information with other people, or you get all dewy-eyed and think of language as an important, sometimes even defining, part of a person's identity. The former is correct, though it may seem soulless and utilitarian to say so. If a group of happy idiots want to pretend that their language has some sort of mystical importance above and beyond it's usefulness as a tool for communicating with other people then this goes beyond being oversentimental drivel. It is a dangerous way of thinking. Anyone who has ever been into a corner shop where the owners, perfectly capable of speaking English, talk to one another in Hindi will attest to the power of language to exclude people. In the case of the cornershop the owners are excluding you because their conversation is none of your business. When inbreds in the Highlands speak Gaelic, when English would be a far more logical choice, it reflects a desire to isolate themselves from the outside world (something they achieve a little too well) and to create divisions when there is no need for them. That is the sinister reality that people try to obscure when they claim that language is somehow important in and of itself, when they try to make-believe that can forge some sort of connection with your ancestors ( ) or some other such nonsense. Welsh, Gaelic and even Irish are all dying languages. This is to be welcomed. They are dying because they no longer usefully serve the real needs of the people, because they do not reflect the type of society in which we now live. Instead of wasting effort trying to artificially keep a moribund language on life-support, why not learn French? Or Polish? Or Hindi? It is my hope that in the future Gaelic, Welsh, Cornish etc go the way of the Betamax and the 8-track cartridge, and that the pointless divisions they are intended to create remain just a distant memory.
Finnegan Posted 2 January 2007 Posted 2 January 2007 I'm not going to argue with you about culturaul isolation / exclusion in the context of language because that's one thing I don't think we'll come to agree on. I've tried to explain a gazillion and one times that people in North Wales don't speak Welsh "just to piss off the English", or "just to exclude the English" and the entire populus of England seems entirely unable to believe me. Whatever. I'm not going to try to convince you that language is a beautiful art, either. Afterall, you're English and have no traditional language, culture or soul to be proud of. Right? I would like to correct you on something, though, and ask a question. Firstly, Welsh isn't a dying language - quite the contrary. The number of Welsh speaking schools is on the rise and the last decade has seen the tongue return quite notably on an official and social level. Prior to the '93 language act numbers had dwindled but the rise of Welsh nationalism / republicanism in the 60s, 70s and 80s had certained set the ball rolling. As of the 2001 census, it was revealed that Welsh language numbers were back on the rise - and most notably, in the young. 39% of children between the ages of 10 - 15 had strong reading, writing and speaking skills in the Welsh language as a result of increasing Welsh education in schools. The figure's usuaully compared to the 25% of 16 - 19 year olds, which is promising for the future of the Welsh language. It's no secret that the Welsh language is a valuable skill on any CV in the Welsh job sector as a result of this. Again, that's commonly misconstrued as culturual favouritism, but it's genuinely not a racial or anglophobic issue - it's just an appropriate skill. Unfortuantely, the same can't really be said for Irish Gaelic. It's predicted that the language will largely die out in the next two or three generations as a widespread language, though it is a mandatory subject in Irish state schools similar to the teaching of French in England - but they're even moving to abolish that, too. Anyway, as for questions. I read through what you had to say with interest, and I have to say, for someone so feverently anti-BNP and someone seemingly anti-state, you seem to be rather pro-English. If the world is to abolish it's language, ignore it's history, drop it's culture, stop celebrating it's roots and become all souless droids and post-modern units of hybrid culture whateverness - what tongue are we all to speak? Why should the world suddenly drop it's languages and adopt, as you seem to be suggesting, English as it's universal language? edit: yikes, I need an editor. Oh well. You get the drift.
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.