DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 16 January 2007 Author Posted 16 January 2007 No it doesn't. A nation is a group of humans who are assumed to share a common identity, and to share a common language, religion, ideology, culture, and/or history. They are usually assumed to have a common origin, in the sense of ancestry, parentage or descent. Leicestershire is not a nation. Good post. Leicester didn't even start to flourish as a town until after the Norman invasion, which sort of cements its status as a part of modern day England.
Lemon Harpic Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 French, Polish and Hindi aren't any of Wales' national languages? So fυcking what? Dave was trying to make-believe that learning Welsh represents some conscious effort to understand people. If this were the intention, then - as I've said umpteen and one times - French, Polish or Hindi would be far more logical choices given the makeup of modern-day Wales. And if a people are insular because they speak their own tongue... hmm. Not sure where to start with that one. How about this, it's a bit radical I know, but I thought I'd throw it out there: How about you start with a premise I actually hold? All I did was ask Dave (who, as expected, has avoided a question that would lead him to an uncomfortable conclusion, prefering to ignore anything that might challenge his desire to believe that Wales is populated only by magical men from Fairy Land, who live in a gumdrop house on lollipop lane, and that none of them would ever dream of doing anything even mildly insular. This tactic of creating a fantasy world and trying with superhuman effort to ignore all evidence that does not fit is also evident in another thread about how poor the mods are. It seems to be Dave's standard response. Just pretend it ain't happening.) whether he could countenance the possibility of some Welsh people being a small bit insular. It seems my simple question will go unanswered. Obviously, Dave has some issues to deal with before he can answer it. I suspect that Finnegan knows the answer to be "Yes. Quite a lot of Welsh people are insular, actually" but would rather chew off his arm than admit so.
Lemon Harpic Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 You mean the mini-revival that's been kindling since the 70s, pre-"mass immigration"? You don't help yourself by sensationalizing things, you just make yourself look childish. The sooner you admit you're wrong, SosbanFach is (obviously) right and that you're being a prize raspberry - the sooner we can all move on, tbh. It's a failing of mine. I don't know what's wrong with me. Why can't I just accept SosbanFach's claims that, even when the number of Welsh-speakers appeared to the uninitiated to be declining (rapidly) they were actually just "kindling"? Why am I so cynical that I cannot just accept SosbanFach's say-so and get on with my life?, Why can't I simply be happy that it's a coincidence that Welsh people have discovered what a beautiful language Welsh is at the same time as immigrants really started to pour into their "country" just because that's what Finnegan believes? Why do I trust the impartial statistical evidence more than I trust a vague unsupported assertion about "kindling" made by a proud Welsh nationalist?
Daggers Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Obviously, Dave has some issues to deal with before he can answer it. :laugh: I don't respond to you because you are a troll who seeks to cause conflict by being offensive and thereby get yourself some attention. You have genuine relationship issues and I suggest you seek professional help.
Lemon Harpic Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 I don't respond to you Not true. You seem happy to respond to me to have a cheap little dig every now and again. You have genuine relationship issues and I suggest you seek professional help. You know me then, do you? Whatever. Nice try. Thanks. Made me chuckle.
Leicfox Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Well i think you talk sense LH. So everyone can call me a twat too.
Lemon Harpic Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Well i think you talk sense LH. So everyone can call me a twat too. Thanks. A lot of what I say is rather uncontroversial and based on common sense, but perhaps expressed in a controversial way. When you express things in this way, people seem to feel that they have to disagree with you. It's interesting to observe. If I'd approached things in a different way, it's likely that more people would agree that a lot of Welsh people behave in an insular manner (well, duh) and, from there, would look at the statistics (which show the Welsh language in rapid decline for decades, then growing as the amount of immigrants into Wales also grows) with more of an open mind. As it is, I could argue that eggs is eggs and people would still disagree just because it's Lemon Harpic, so he must be wrong.
The People's Hero Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Thanks. A lot of what I say is rather uncontroversial and based on common sense, but perhaps expressed in a controversial way. When you express things in this way, people seem to feel that they have to disagree with you. It's interesting to observe. If I'd approached things in a different way, it's likely that more people would agree that a lot of Welsh people behave in an insular manner (well, duh) and, from there, would look at the statistics (which show the Welsh language in rapid decline for decades, then growing as the amount of immigrants into Wales also grows) with more of an open mind. As it is, I could argue that eggs is eggs and people would still disagree just because it's Lemon Harpic, so he must be wrong. eggs are eggs
Dr The Singh Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 eggs are eggs The Grammar and Spelling Police have arrived!!!
The People's Hero Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 The Grammar and Spelling Police have arrived!!! I'm going to get myself a siren and some fluffy handcuffs for when Louise is next in town.
Suffolk_fox Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 I was born in Wales, and in my last job, I spent an awful lot of time working in Ireland so I feel a bit qualified in what I am about to say. With the risk of getting splinters in my arse from the fence, I think that both camps on here have a point. Yes, I feel it is just as important to keep an ancient language alive as it is to keep say Stonehenge, listed buildings and the Pyramids up. Good for tourism, and also it is part of a country's heritage, it makes it different from everywhere else. Visitors from America (A country largely devoid of much in the way of history) tell us that we are lucky to live in a country with so much heritage. So in this way, languages such as Gaelic are important, as well as beautiful to listen to. Also, it can be used to exclude as I have found in bars in Wales and Ireland. Admittedly they might have been the wrong bars to hang out in, but hearing people switch from English to Welsh or Gaelic just after you order your pint is not a nice experience.
Lemon Harpic Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 eggs are eggs As if you didn't know, it's an idiom.
Lemon Harpic Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 wooooooosh! That wasn't for TPH's benefit, but some of the younger (and consequentially less well educated) members of FT might not have encountered said idiom. Public-spirited soul that I am, I thought I might take the opportunity to educate them. Still, now that you're responding to my posts again, tell me do you think it's possible that some Welsh people might be a teensy bit insular?
Daggers Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 You're so vain, You probably though that post was about you You're so va-e-ay-ain You probably though that post was about you, don't you, don't you
Lemon Harpic Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 You're so vain, You probably though that post was about you You're so va-e-ay-ain You probably though that post was about you, don't you, don't you I wonder what could ever have given me that idea? Of course, I can now see that that post wasn't about me. And neither is the above post. How embarrased am I?
MC Prussian Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 I wonder what could ever have given me that idea? Of course, I can now see that that post wasn't about me. And neither is the above post. How embarrased am I? Big time?
lcfcire Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Tá mé go han-mhaith, an bhfuil tu i do chónaài Eireann? sea tá mé i mo chonaài cill mhaintáin. cá bhfuil tu i do chona� cé mhéad blian a bhfuil tú ag foghlaim gaeilge?
Daggers Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 How embarrased am I? Probably, about as much as I care.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 18 January 2007 Author Posted 18 January 2007 sea tá mé i mo chonaài cill mhaintáin. cá bhfuil tu i do chonaÃÂ? cé mhéad blian a bhfuil tú ag foghlaim gaeilge? Bhàroinnt mo chlann ó Cill Mhaintáin - sloinne 'ó Foghladha' i Ráth Droma. Tá mé i mo chonaài Victoria, tá mé ag foghlaim Gaeilge ar Cumann Gaeilge na hAstráile ach bhàme ag foghlaim ach sé mhÃÂ!
Smudge Posted 18 January 2007 Posted 18 January 2007 Erm Danny Boy that was beautiful but I dIdn't understand feckin a word, can we have it in strine please?
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 18 January 2007 Author Posted 18 January 2007 Erm Danny Boy that was beautiful but I dIdn't understand feckin a word, can we have it in strine please? Farken ell mate, had summa the fam from Wicklow, them Foleys in Rathdrum. Live in Victoria meself, bin learnin tha Gaelic at the Cumann but only fer six months farken *hic* Farken. :corkyhatface:
lcfcire Posted 18 January 2007 Posted 18 January 2007 Farken ell mate, had summa the fam from Wicklow, them Foleys in Rathdrum. Live in Victoria meself, bin learnin tha Gaelic at the Cumann but only fer six months farken *hic* Farken. :corkyhatface: youve only been learning it for six months and ur already better then me ive been learning it for about 12years and i didnt have a clue wat u just said in that last message. they are teaching it all wrong in the schools and most people leave school not being able to speak much irish and alot of people are being put off it aswell
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 18 January 2007 Author Posted 18 January 2007 youve only been learning it for six months and ur already better then me ive been learning it for about 12years and i didnt have a clue wat u just said in that last message. they are teaching it all wrong in the schools and most people leave school not being able to speak much irish and alot of people are being put off it aswell It could also have been my undoubtedly poor sentence structure and grammar at this stage We have native speakers as teachers which helps, we try and do a bit of conversation as well as bookish stuff. Try this this, it's ace... a few native speakers on there who are always willing to help: http://www.daltai.com/discus/messages/board-topics.html
Alexikokopops Posted 18 January 2007 Posted 18 January 2007 You're so vain, You probably though that post was about you You're so va-e-ay-ain You probably though that post was about you, don't you, don't you Plagiarism!!
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