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dandannieldanok

Lets partition the blame

By dandannieldanok, in Leicester City Forum

Where do you think the main problem lies?  

55 members have voted

  1. 1. Choices

    • Management and Coaching side
      31
    • Simply the players and their attitudes
      24

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Daggers

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I blame the person who started this crap thread.

I'm with astute JoeB

You could apportion the blame to one party or the other...but to partition the blame holds them both accountable, which defeats the point of the thread.

Therefore I hold the thread and its title in contravention of logic and sentence it to be cast into the bowels of hell - to watch re-runs of this season on DVD for all eternity.

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JoeyB

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I'm with astute JoeB

You could apportion the blame to one party or the other...but to partition the blame holds them both accountable, which defeats the point of the thread.

Therefore I hold the thread and its title in contravention of logic and sentence it to be cast into the bowels of hell - to watch re-runs of this season on DVD for all eternity.

You lost me with Astute lol

I'm guessing you mean agree lol

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Daggers

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You lost me with Astute lol

You have definitely won Most Improved Poster of The Year, in my book Joeb...as in the past I'd never have put you down as being able to get as far as 'astute', to be honest. :whistle:;)

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Mort

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It's a bit of both really... first and foremost its the players, they just dont care and are performing well bellow even their relatively limited abilities, but this is all compounded by the fact that Kelly & Co are incapable of keeping them fit, motivating them or even picking our strongest side (though on balance i thought our starting line-up was pretty decent today) so, as I say, it's a bit of both.

I've been thinking for a while it'll come down to the Barnsley game... the point against Derby wasn't totally surprising I though we had an outside shot at getting something in that game as it was a derby, it was at home and it was against strong opposition... Brum and Wolves are games we have to have a crack at as well... not that we will of course! :rolleyes: And that's both Kelly and his players fault :angry:

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Matt

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Wheres the option of both? Because I honestly don't think it is A) The Management or B) The Players.

Kelly's not the man for the job, he needs to go, however we have so god awful players here, Its not all Kelly's fault, Its not all the players fault, However I do believe it's most of the players fault, which is why I have voted and blamed the players...If the option was there it'd be both though, because thats where the problem lies.

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Wils

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Spot on!

Yep. Thats the most annoying thing ever,fork out all that money to watch them and specially for me it aint fcuking cheap getting to home games let alone away ones. If the players looked half interested/botherd about winning a game i wouldnt mind. Its like they will still get there wages at the end of the week if we win or lose so why should they care? Fcukers.

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Thracian

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You cannot really separate the blame.

If the guy in charge is a specialist coach you'd think his team would improve over time. What else are coaches for?

But defensively we've got more holes than a cullinder. In our first seven games this season we conceded 7 goals - about the same as last season's average if I remember right and what I expected at the time.

But in our last seven games we've leaked 16 goals and in football terms that's a flood.

Can anyone honestly suggest any of our players - forwards, defenders or midfielders have improved this season or that the team has looked a better unit? I don't think so.

It's said that the coaching ground is a hive or frenzied activity but I see worse basics flaws in our side that you'd expect at Senior League level in terms of organisation and have to ask why?

Is Kelly doing the work and the players not putting it into practice on match days?. Or is the work not intensive enough and honed enough to stand the test of serious opposition?

Whichever it is suggests a flaw in the manager, as does so many of his various signings.

Player wise McAuley and Hume can be termed relative successes. I'm having some serious second thoughts about Kisnorbo despite his defensive abilities and there have been spasmodic contributions from others.

But on the basis that I'd expect 7.5 good games out of 10 from players I don't think Kelly's got anything like that return from them. Indeed too many players have shown themselves incapable of anything like 7.5 out of 10 yet have been selected regularly by Kelly.

It is Kelly too who has left us short of a left-back and attacking midfield player, Kelly who has played people out of position, Kelly who has bought in low-grade loanees and made so many other bizarre decisions.

Nor has he been ruthless enough with people. Take Kisnorbo simply as an example.

He might be a decent stopper but I would have explained plainly what I wanted when he gained possession in terms of short passes to feet.

I would accept too that he might take time to adjust to the idea and make the odd mistake. But if he ignored me or went back to his old habits after a mistake he'd be out of the side pronto until he'd developed a different attitude.

The cardinal sin of a footballer is to give away possession. If Kelly cannot get that across and cannot get a positive reaction he's got no chance with other aspects of the game.

So really, with those and many other things like sticking to a failing formation etc, I'd lay to blame 80-20 on Kelly's shoulders.

He's the manager, his decision counts and it is on his desk that the buck stops.

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I agree. He's just not in control enough. A tough manager would say "Look, I don't care how fooking honest you are, but there'll be no going out on a night from now on. I want you fit". He also wouldn't take things like Kisnorbo's poor distribution.

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dandannieldanok

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Obviously the major problem lies in both camps but for the purpose of the poll choose one, I say the players but this doesn't mean I would like RK to stay.
Wheres the option of both? Because I honestly don't think it is A) The Management or B) The Players.

I just didn't include the 'both' option to see if people thought strongly that Kelly was not coaching them properly or the players are not putting in the shift. ;)

I do agree it is both but I don't think it is totally 50-50.

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Matt

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I just didn't include the 'both' option to see if people thought strongly that Kelly was not coaching them properly or the players are not putting in the shift. ;)

I do agree it is both but I don't think it is totally 50-50.

TBF currently it is 19 votes either way, so 50/50 which equals out to most peoples opinion of it being both players and management!

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