Thracian Posted 22 April 2007 Author Posted 22 April 2007 Thracian, whether you like it or not, Worthington picked a team after your own heart. Five players aged 20 or under appeared for the side yesterday. None (not even Weso or Porter) showed the standard necessary to compete in the struggle in which we find ourselves. And as was shown by the hurried hoofs by an extremely jittery Mattock in the closing minutes, there is a massive world of difference between playing against teams of one's own age group in front of dozens on a training ground, and playing against seasoned professionals in front of 20000+. Too many of yesterday's side are too physically and/or mentally frail to wear a City shirt. Unless Worthington can grasp that basic point, we are doomed. Didn't see any signs of our young players bottling it in front of all those fans yesterday! Quite the contrary. Nor did the team look in any way doomed. And that against top of the table opposition, away from home and against a team with the best home record in the table.
Hullfox Posted 22 April 2007 Posted 22 April 2007 Didn't see any signs of our young players bottling it in front of all those fans yesterday! Quite the contrary. Nor did the team look in any way doomed. And that against top of the table opposition, away from home and against a team with the best home record in the table. We don't see any signs of you retracting your "one game's enough" statement to get rid of Worthy either.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 22 April 2007 Posted 22 April 2007 You can think of me as the matchmaker of death. Enjoy, Foxestalkers!
Smudge Posted 22 April 2007 Posted 22 April 2007 2006 Foxestalk Awards Most Dedicated LCFC Fan: ------------------------ Lisa 17 Thracian 9 Wils 4 jonbluefox9 3 Holly 2 Ric Flair 2 Barton Fox 1 Bernie 1 Foxes_Trust 1 Hullfox 1 Knowledgeable on Football ------------------------- Ric Flair 18 Manwell_Pablo 8 Thracian 7 Barton Fox 1 Cobbo 1 Nationwider 1 Most Respected: -------------- davieG 21 Ric Flair 8 Thracian 3 bertfox 2 Nationwider 2 TPH 2 Collymore 1 jonbluefox 1 Manwell 1 Most Thought Provoking: ----------------------- Thracian 8 BartonFox 6 Knighton Matt 3 Lemon Harpic 3 TPH 3 Cat Burger 2 Foxello 2 Ultra 2 Lisa 1 Finnegan 2 MasterFox 1 Ric Flair 1 Foxes_Trust 1 davieG 1 The Singh 1 blue_blood 1 I'd say that without the likes of Mr. T this would be a lesser place; his raison d'etre seems to be that of a provoker so don't get your knickers in a twist when he does. I agree that after one game, deciding he should go, (Wortho that is) was a tad impetuous but after three games Worthington seems to be doing as best he can with the team and so much better than the last incumbent. I am reserving judgement but if I was told that Chris Coleman was taking over I'd be very pleased; although I'm sure he's got higher ambitions than being manager of Leicester City.
BartonFox Posted 22 April 2007 Posted 22 April 2007 While I don't agree that Nige should have been binned after 1 game, to call Thracian an idiot is wrong. It is possible to tell if a manager will work after one game, both he and I told everyone after the Southampton FA Cup game last season that Rob Kelly was shite, and we were right. We also said it during pre season. However, Worthington seems to have got battle one in the locker and that is gaining the respect of the players and there is a clear desire to play and win.
Hullfox Posted 22 April 2007 Posted 22 April 2007 While I don't agree that Nige should have been binned after 1 game, to call Thracian an idiot is wrong. Has that post been deleted?
Thracian Posted 23 April 2007 Author Posted 23 April 2007 We don't see any signs of you retracting your "one game's enough" statement to get rid of Worthy either. He was never going to be changed but one game was enough of what Worthington presided over against Norwich, especially in the pressing circumstances. And one-and-a-half games was more than enough at the break against Birmingham. Who knows if that perception will prove correct?. Time will tell but I certainly believe it was in relation to Kelly. He never became any different to the Kelly of day one and never progressed our team one bit as I could see. Worthington seems to have made some progress - it would have been hard not to - and I've referred to the improvements he's made at some length elsewhere. If he's got the good sense to continually adapt and adjust his thinking effectively he's likely going to collect Brownie points and both myself and others will doubtless be happy to award em as has happened already. But that doesn't mean he's necessarily the right manager for our future and had our fans not been so marvellously supporting of him and the team I'm not sure that wouldn't be a much more pressing point right now. Worthington achieved success on Saturday and in what I'd consider an acceptable manner (as opposed to our approach at Burnley under Kelly). I was grateful for that and it made easier my declared intent earlier to support him and the team whatever until the end of the season and not to blame Worthington if he fails because the mess we've been in was clearly not of his making and he has too little time to be sure of putting it right. So, right now I'm with the non-stop singing til the end of the Wolves game because that's what's all-important. It also seems to be making a difference. Anything else can wait.
weggy1976 Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 The non stop singing should be for the entire season.......not just the last 3 critical games. Why is Walkers so quite....... (yes I know we are all Pi***d off) but it makes no surprise that away fans come to the Walkers have a great day and and more often than not take points off us. We have the 2nd worst home record in this c**p division. Maybe next year the FANS should make it NOISY and a problem for every away team. MM could have a huge part to play in the pricing !!!!! Will he realise bums on seats can get money into the club in more than one way other than just through revenue at the turnstile??
Hullfox Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 Now that Worthington has succeeded in completing the job he came for, does anyone still believe that he should have been sacked after one game?
lcfc_jme Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 6 points from 4 games - 50% success rate. Averaged out over a season it'd be enough for us to finish on 66 points. I know you can't base a whole season on 4 games, but without his own personnel and taking over a doomed ship, they are the key stats.
Joe. Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 Well I said from the start I wasn't going to judge him staright away and after 4 games what I've seen has impressed me. He's made bold decisions that Kelly certainly wouldn't have made. Dropping, Henderson, Maybury, Jarrett and bringing in players like Mattock. Most importantly he's kept us us and quite comfortably now at that.
lcfc_jme Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 Well I said from the start I wasn't going to judge him staright away and after 4 games what I've seen has impressed me.He's made bold decisions that Kelly certainly wouldn't have made. Dropping, Henderson, Maybury, Jarrett and bringing in players like Mattock. Most importantly he's kept us us and quite comfortably now at that. Fair point. Kelly certainly wouldn't have dropped Maybury or Jarrett. There's no way he'd have even brought Mattock into the squad were it not for injuries and having a forced hand. He certainly wouldn't have been in talks to terminate the contract of Johnson. And Yeates would not have been deemed surplus to requirements. Wortho has been a breath of fresh air, and he has guided us to back-to-back wins on the road, which is also something Kelly would have struggled with. Milan must be very impressed.
lookwhaticando Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 Fair point. Kelly certainly wouldn't have dropped Maybury or Jarrett. There's no way he'd have even brought Mattock into the squad were it not for injuries and having a forced hand. He certainly wouldn't have been in talks to terminate the contract of Johnson. And Yeates would not have been deemed surplus to requirements. Wortho has been a breath of fresh air, and he has guided us to back-to-back wins on the road, which is also something Kelly would have struggled with. Milan must be very impressed. According to the initial story's source - another forums' member - the impetus for the removal of Johnson was from the very top. That is to say, regardless of which manager was in charge, Johnson was heading for the exit in all likelihood anyway. Mandy's been to enough games to know he doesn't want to pay an ageing workshy feckshite another season's salary. You'd hope. You're right about Yeates, though... he'd have been deemed an "honest bunch of lads who hasn't managed to displace my love child on the right wing".
Anish Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 Now that Worthington has succeeded in completing the job he came for, does anyone still believe that he should have been sacked after one game? Nicely bumped. I eagerly await Thracian's retraction and acceptance that he was wrong.
Thracian Posted 29 April 2007 Author Posted 29 April 2007 Nicely bumped.I eagerly await Thracian's retraction and acceptance that he was wrong. I have already responded on this question two or three times and don't know quite what sort of point you're trying to prove by your rare and cryptic comment but it is damned hypocritical whatever. As I said, if you bothered reading, he never was going to be sacked - and if you took that notion seriously you're in dreamland - but if that in any way provoked him to get rid of some dross, to get the team fit and to introduce someone like Mattock I'm well pleased. Cos it's not before time - and I don't recall you ever campaigning for the sort of young players to be introduced who have done so much to save our status. As for being wrong how would I know? I'm not some sort of soothsayer. If Worthington's to be our manager permanently he's won some brownie points and I'm as pleased as anyone else. If not, then I might rather have had the guy who is to be manager in charge and who's to say he wouldn't have collected more points?. Hindsight can be wonderful. Worthington has done what Mandaric wanted him to do and I celebrated myself to hoarseness at both our last matches as a result. But almost any manager would have improved our performance because it is hard to imagine how we could play worse and be less fit to do the job. Six points from four games and two successive home defeats - while priceless in the circumstances - is no big deal and proves nothing whatsoever one way or another...except that Kelly should have gone months ago as I said but you conveniently wouldn't want to mention. In fact I said I'd seen enough of Kelly after one game - and how right I was and I don't think you liked that either any more than I liked you taking young Sheehan apart when he's hardly set foot in the side (talk about the pot calling the kettle) and in a way I've never noticed since when others have been dismissed. So don't come the paragon of virtue cos it doesn't wash.
Anish Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 I have already responded on this question two or three times and don't know quite what sort of point you're trying to prove by your rare and cryptic comment but it is damned hypocritical whatever.As I said, if you bothered reading, he never was going to be sacked - and if you took that notion seriously you're in dreamland - but if that in any way provoked him to get rid of some dross, to get the team fit and to introduce someone like Mattock I'm well pleased. Cos it's not before time - and I don't recall you ever campaigning for the sort of young players to be introduced who have done so much to save our status. As for being wrong how would I know? I'm not some sort of soothsayer. If Worthington's to be our manager permanently he's won some brownie points and I'm as pleased as anyone else. If not, then I might rather have had the guy who is to be manager in charge and who's to say he wouldn't have collected more points?. Hindsight can be wonderful. Worthington has done what Mandaric wanted him to do and I celebrated myself to hoarseness at both our last matches as a result. But almost any manager would have improved our performance because it is hard to imagine how we could play worse and be less fit to do the job. Six points from four games and two successive home defeats - while priceless in the circumstances - is no big deal and proves nothing whatsoever one way or another...except that Kelly should have gone months ago as I said but you conveniently wouldn't want to mention. In fact I said I'd seen enough of Kelly after one game - and how right I was and I don't think you liked that either any more than I liked you taking young Sheehan apart when he's hardly set foot in the side (talk about the pot calling the kettle) and in a way I've never noticed since when others have been dismissed. So don't come the paragon of virtue cos it doesn't wash. So typically :yawn: that I didn't even bother reading the whole of that post (like 90% of your posts to be honest). It would be nice for you to just accept that it is wrong to ask for manager to be sacked after 1 game. But you had to turn it into another essay about playing youngsters and some other rubbish.
Thracian Posted 29 April 2007 Author Posted 29 April 2007 So typically :yawn: that I didn't even bother reading the whole of that post (like 90% of your posts to be honest).It would be nice for you to just accept that it is wrong to ask for manager to be sacked after 1 game. But you had to turn it into another essay about playing youngsters and some other rubbish. It's quite obvious you don't read the posts - enough said.
Hullfox Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 Thrach, you are back tracking, you wanted the man out after one game, end of. All of these comments appear in this thread............ One game is plenty for me. That's unless MM is brave and ruthless enough to draw a line under the latest nonsense and get Beaglehole and Gerry Taggart to see our season out. I'll shut up when this club gets some sodding pride back and brings in the sort of people who will ensure just that. If Taggart can't do something about a defence that leaks 18 goals in eight games then he might as well quit coaching now and I've seen enough of Beaglehole to be bloody sure he'll know how we might get some goals - and I suspect it wouldn't be by playing two less than fit forwards. until we get a manager who will field our strongest attacking side he'll get no sympathy from me - especially having talked the talk. There is no evidence whatsover that we can survive without scoring two goals a game and it will be a shame to wait til May for that to sink in. After all I did mention it last August before a game had been played. But I wonder who'd be more likely to get a win. Wortho Or Beaglehole and Taggart. Now Worthington does the same and if he's going to carry on that way we might as well admit it now and get someone who will. one game was enough of what Worthington presided over against Norwich, especially in the pressing circumstances. And one-and-a-half games was more than enough at the break against Birmingham.
Leonisco Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 For God's sake, why is it that there seems to be some sort of hate-campaign going on against Thracian? It seems to me that there are a certain number of people on here who want to attack him at any chance they get. OK, fair enough, he may have made a mistake asking for Wortho's removal after one game, but so what? Get over it, there's no need to constantly berate him at every opportunity.
Thracian Posted 29 April 2007 Author Posted 29 April 2007 Thrach, you are back tracking, you wanted the man out after one game, end of. All of these comments appear in this thread............ Has ha! Almost on cue. I wondered how long it would be before you ploughed in alongside Anish. a) One game of the type we played against Norwich was enough and especially of the type we played first half against Birmingham. b) Who's to say Beaglehole and Taggart haven't helped him greatly? Suddenly we see Mattock, Logan, Stearman and Wesolowski back on the scene plus Sheehan, Gradel and King in the wings. Mighty coincidental if Beaglehole had no input into that. And also we see a defence that's not leaking goals and doesn't have anyone playing out of position. Are you sure taggart's had no input cos I'm not. c) The club has got some pride back and I've been heartily praising that fact. d) See b. e) We're still not scoring two goals a game and we're still not fielding our strongest attacking side. To me that's obvious. Why would I be sympathetic?. We could so easily have lost the Preston game and drawn at Barnsley due to our shortage of goals. f) See b. g) He's not done the same. He's fashioned improvements and I've acknowledged that loud and clear...fitter side, more players driving forward, better balance, Weso's floor passes etc. h) See a. That 1.5 games was plenty. Thankfully we took a different tack. And thankfully the crowd played theior part too which remains one of the most significant factors.
Flynny Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 I agree here. The side look more geed up, but they don't look better, and they don't look particularly more like scoring. Except when Cadamarteri was on yesterday. If Wortho gets the job I won't complain too much but I won't be ecstatic, and don't expect him to do well.
Manwell Pablo Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 Has ha! Almost on cue. I wondered how long it would be before you ploughed in alongside Anish.a) One game of the type we played against Norwich was enough and especially of the type we played first half against Birmingham. b) Who's to say Beaglehole and Taggart haven't helped him greatly? Suddenly we see Mattock, Logan, Stearman and Wesolowski back on the scene plus Sheehan, Gradel and King in the wings. Mighty coincidental if Beaglehole had no input into that. And also we see a defence that's not leaking goals and doesn't have anyone playing out of position. Are you sure taggart's had no input cos I'm not. c) The club has got some pride back and I've been heartily praising that fact. d) See b. e) We're still not scoring two goals a game and we're still not fielding our strongest attacking side. To me that's obvious. Why would I be sympathetic?. We could so easily have lost the Preston game and drawn at Barnsley due to our shortage of goals. f) See b. g) He's not done the same. He's fashioned improvements and I've acknowledged that loud and clear...fitter side, more players driving forward, better balance, Weso's floor passes etc. h) See a. That 1.5 games was plenty. Thankfully we took a different tack. And thankfully the crowd played theior part too which remains one of the most significant factors. This is it though is it not Thracian, the bloke had been at the club for all of 3 days and you wanted him gone after one not so great performance (don't bring Brum into this this topic was started before that game) whats better, you didn't even go to that game, just admit you were wrong for once.
Fatbloke Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 Wrong for once ! everything the bloke writes is bull shine !!!
Manwell Pablo Posted 29 April 2007 Posted 29 April 2007 Wrong for once ! everything the bloke writes is bull shine !!! Yes but he never admits though does he
Thracian Posted 29 April 2007 Author Posted 29 April 2007 This is it though is it not Thracian, the bloke had been at the club for all of 3 days and you wanted him gone after one not so great performance (don't bring Brum into this this topic was started before that game) whats better, you didn't even go to that game, just admit you were wrong for once. I've responded in depth already but if you want a Foxestalk League table of people being wrong we could certainly have some fun. Even at the end there were even people who didn't want Levein and Kelly out no matter how glaring their failings and how fast our club was sinking. Good job I didn't offer my thoughts after half an hour against Birmingham. Cos I certainly went to that one and I read every comment first about the Norwich match. Are you proposing a policy of no comment unless you're there? It might shred the forum dramatically but it wouldn't be a big deal for me.
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