Thracian Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 Not at all.If we take your opinion from the back end of last season, Fryatt would not be anywhere near the first team this time around to get one goal never mind 15. You`d have Elvis and Dodds ahead of him if you were in charge and it was pre-season and he wouldnt get that chance despite his ability. That was last season. Circumstances change concerning footballers and I am happy to acknowledge such changes. Last season Fryatt was either out injured, was less than fully fit, was short of form and, reputedly had domestic problems as well. He rarely deserved to be selected and when he was only very rarely looked a threat. I would have had Elvis and Dodds ahead of him because they were both more likely to score - an opinion backed by the fact that Elvis finished ahead of Fryatt both in terms of goals scored and assists. This season he is much more his old self in every way and is getting plenty of opportunities. I've been happy to back his return to the team. That return seems to have been justified and now he has to set about proving he can play a big part in us getting the goals we need. His "ability" to do that last season just wasn't there.
maddog Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 Fryatt=Shit All he can do is finish, he puts no effort into creating chances himself, lazy, can't jump, weak. But good at finishing ill give him that
Wezleylowski Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 Fryatt=ShitAll he can do is finish, he puts no effort into creating chances himself, lazy, can't jump, weak. But good at finishing ill give him that Gary Lineker was very similar in playing style's i am led to believe. Obv Fryatt is'nt as good as Lineker, but he could still be prolific in this league with the right strike partner.
Tommeh Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 Fryatt=ShitAll he can do is finish, he puts no effort into creating chances himself, lazy, can't jump, weak. But good at finishing ill give him that Was that based on todays showing? No Didn't think so The guys really starting to show his class and is proving a real handful. If he stays fit and in the team I'm sure he'll get at least 14 this term.
Sods Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 With any striker i think it comes down to confidence, if a player thinks he his going to score he's got more chance than thinking im not going to score. Im enjoying watching him this season.
Webbo Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 I don't think he's got the engine to last a whole game, it's no coincidence that his goals have come from appearances as a sub. This might be his best position.
Thracian Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 Can you 2 agree on anything ? Certainly - if Geo V would change his opinion!.
SamL Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 I don't think he's got the engine to last a whole game, it's no coincidence that his goals have come from appearances as a sub. This might be his best position. Fryatt started and scored against villa
Milky Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 If a guy is good enough to get 15 goals a season or more he'll get enough games. Elvis actually hasn't scored 15 goals in his entire career! . What a shocking record for a striker of his age! oops sorry, was that an "attack" on hammond.
syston_fox Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 Elvis actually hasn't scored 15 goals in his entire career! . What a shocking record for a striker of his age! oops sorry, was that an "attack" on hammond. Never expected to see those two words in the same sentence!
Milky Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 Never expected to see those two words in the same sentence! oooo, that's a vicous assault!
Lord Nibblington Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 Elvis actually hasn't scored 15 goals in his entire career! . What a shocking record for a striker of his age! oops sorry, was that an "attack" on hammond. You're forgetting the carnage he causes with the impact his pace has. Unsettling defences and all that. And also all those offside goals he's scored. Coz, you know, they count too!
Milky Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 You're forgetting the carnage he causes with the impact his pace has. Unsettling defences and all that.And also all those offside goals he's scored. Coz, you know, they count too! Oh don't worry, you should have seen the WBA reserves game. He caused complete "havoc" in those 10 minutes, cruely denied a goal by the (correct) linesman.
Geo V Posted 6 October 2007 Posted 6 October 2007 Can you 2 agree on anything ? we do at times but fundamentally I judge a player on ability and not form and Thrac clearly from his previous post would sling someone out of the side if he had a bad game or two and wouldn't let him "play himself in" if I can use the cricket analogy. To give a list of reasons why Levi would be just effective as Clemence in central midfield and then to say that Elvis should get in ahead of Fryatt despite showing nothing when given a chance typifies him. Now we are hearing that two goal kid Gradel should be recalled and played. Its knee-jerk decisions like that which make me disagree with the bloke!
Thracian Posted 7 October 2007 Posted 7 October 2007 we do at times but fundamentally I judge a player on ability and not form and Thrac clearly from his previous post would sling someone out of the side if he had a bad game or two and wouldn't let him "play himself in" if I can use the cricket analogy.To give a list of reasons why Levi would be just effective as Clemence in central midfield and then to say that Elvis should get in ahead of Fryatt despite showing nothing when given a chance typifies him. Now we are hearing that two goal kid Gradel should be recalled and played. Its knee-jerk decisions like that which make me disagree with the bloke! How can you say you judge people on ability if you don't see them? As for slinging people out my general criteria is 7/7.5 good/acceptable games out of 10 on average. As stated several times. Levi offers a good example. Although I believe he's a good player he's slipped below my benchmark and I've not either picked him for my preferred side or recommended his inclusion for some time. He, like Kaebi, has to provide evidence that he deserves another chance should one arise. And with changing circumstances, like the form of Sheehan/Mattock, the gradual return to fitness of Hayes and reports about Gradel that could be increasingly difficult as time goes on. As it should be of course, if our club is to go forward. Several times I warned that the bar would be lifted this season and there are signs that it is happening at last. Some players will respond positively and drive themselves to new heights of performances. Others will fall by the wayside.
Geo V Posted 8 October 2007 Posted 8 October 2007 How can you say you judge people on ability if you don't see them?As for slinging people out my general criteria is 7/7.5 good/acceptable games out of 10 on average. As stated several times. Levi offers a good example. Although I believe he's a good player he's slipped below my benchmark and I've not either picked him for my preferred side or recommended his inclusion for some time. He, like Kaebi, has to provide evidence that he deserves another chance should one arise. And with changing circumstances, like the form of Sheehan/Mattock, the gradual return to fitness of Hayes and reports about Gradel that could be increasingly difficult as time goes on. As it should be of course, if our club is to go forward. Several times I warned that the bar would be lifted this season and there are signs that it is happening at last. Some players will respond positively and drive themselves to new heights of performances. Others will fall by the wayside. You really get off on the fact that you get to the academy games don't you?! You think you have some divine right to have an opinion on any academy prospects ability when you forget an integral part of your assessment, THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL YET WITH THE BIG BOYS!. Its one thing raving about a youngster who has done well by playing against people of the same age but I am talking about judging players on what they do in the first team unlike you who thinks that they can all step up when only a few can. As for my judgments, if you read back I have never slated a player that I have never seen. I may have questioned the legitimacy of playing them straight into the first team from academy level without having played in a game that matters in the football league on loan but any opinion I have on the likes of Levi or Sheehan are solely made after watching them play over a few games. Thats where we differ. You see them do well in academy football and even if a month, year or three years pass you are still insistent that they will make it for us in the first team and canvass for their inclusion. I'm sure you still want Dodds back in the side too don't you? Thats why you dont pick your perfect team because it will probably include more untried kids. As for the highlighted point on Kaebi you raised, thats the point, he hasn't even had a chance in the first team yet. We have signed a bloke with over 50 caps and have decided not to use him.
Thracian Posted 8 October 2007 Posted 8 October 2007 You really get off on the fact that you get to the academy games don't you?! You think you have some divine right to have an opinion on any academy prospects ability when you forget an integral part of your assessment, THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL YET WITH THE BIG BOYS!. Its one thing raving about a youngster who has done well by playing against people of the same age but I am talking about judging players on what they do in the first team unlike you who thinks that they can all step up when only a few can. As for my judgments, if you read back I have never slated a player that I have never seen. I may have questioned the legitimacy of playing them straight into the first team from academy level without having played in a game that matters in the football league on loan but any opinion I have on the likes of Levi or Sheehan are solely made after watching them play over a few games. Thats where we differ. You see them do well in academy football and even if a month, year or three years pass you are still insistent that they will make it for us in the first team and canvass for their inclusion. I'm sure you still want Dodds back in the side too don't you? Thats why you dont pick your perfect team because it will probably include more untried kids. As for the highlighted point on Kaebi you raised, thats the point, he hasn't even had a chance in the first team yet. We have signed a bloke with over 50 caps and have decided not to use him. Kaebi has had chances, several of them. There will doubtless be more. But I doubt Kaebi will ever get a chance in the first team unless he first shows some evidence for his inclusion by doing well in the reserves. And it is no use carping on about his caps. Getting 50 caps for Iran, while commendable, has nothing to do with who he is competing with for a place in Leicester's side. Megson not only has an organised and functioning team which is not losing very often (twice in 12). He also has established cover for most positions. There is little chance Kaebi will step ahead of those people while he is a) injured and b) while he looking personally vulnerable in a six-one walloping. Only once in three reserve games has Kaebi looked good. Regulars at the reserves spoke well of him after that. But those same people saw the downside against WBA and I doubt a single one would have championed him for first team selection after that, even if he'd not got injured. That's the reality.
Geo V Posted 8 October 2007 Posted 8 October 2007 Kaebi has had chances, several of them. There will doubtless be more.But I doubt Kaebi will ever get a chance in the first team unless he first shows some evidence for his inclusion by doing well in the reserves. And it is no use carping on about his caps. Getting 50 caps for Iran, while commendable, has nothing to do with who he is competing with for a place in Leicester's side. Megson not only has an organised and functioning team which is not losing very often (twice in 12). He also has established cover for most positions. There is little chance Kaebi will step ahead of those people while he is a) injured and b) while he looking personally vulnerable in a six-one walloping. Only once in three reserve games has Kaebi looked good. Regulars at the reserves spoke well of him after that. But those same people saw the downside against WBA and I doubt a single one would have championed him for first team selection after that, even if he'd not got injured. That's the reality. Would Plymouth buy Peter Halmosi and throw him in the reserves for weeks to prove himself? How about WBA with Robert Koren and Teixeira? How about Barnsley with Ferenczi? Anyway we differ on how we would have used Kaebi as I would have put him straight in to see how good he is once he gained International clearance and was passed fit and not have him rot in the reserves being watched by one man and his dog. I do agree with GM coming in that his chances our now limited so if its clear he is way down the pecking order for us, the club should sell him or at the very least loan him out.
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 October 2007 Posted 8 October 2007 Would Plymouth buy Peter Halmosi and throw him in the reserves for weeks to prove himself? How about WBA with Robert Koren and Teixeira? How about Barnsley with Ferenczi? Anyway we differ on how we would have used Kaebi as I would have put him straight in to see how good he is once he gained International clearance and was passed fit and not have him rot in the reserves being watched by one man and his dog.I do agree with GM coming in that his chances our now limited so if its clear he is way down the pecking order for us, the club should sell him or at the very least loan him out. Oi, theres a thread for this.
Geo V Posted 8 October 2007 Posted 8 October 2007 Oi, theres a thread for this. I digress. Matty Fryatt for England.
Ultra Posted 8 October 2007 Posted 8 October 2007 Even with the current run of injuries to strikers, that's still a long way off! Let him prove himself in the Championship first.
Geo V Posted 9 October 2007 Posted 9 October 2007 Even with the current run of injuries to strikers, that's still a long way off!Let him prove himself in the Championship first.
Geo V Posted 18 October 2007 Posted 18 October 2007 WE'RE ON THE WAY UP - FRYATTStriker Matty Fryatt says Leicester City are emerging from the international break in determined mood and eyeing the top-half of the table. Fryatt said the victory over Sheffield Wednesday before the two-week break has left City looking up the Championship. Now City are preparing for their first-ever league game against S****horpe, and go into the clash in good form. They are unbeaten in four games and have conceded just one goal in that time. Fryatt said: "It's been a good break. It's been described as a mini pre-season. It's difficult work but good. "We didn't want to go into the break, with two weeks off, after a bad performance. "We got that result at Sheffield Wednesday, who were below us, and if they had won we would have been looking down the table. "With a game in hand it looks much better, and we can all look up the table now. We want to keep that run going now against S****horpe." However, Fryatt warned City will face a S****horpe team full of confidence when they make their first trip to Glanford Park. S****horpe won League One by six points last season, losing just two home games in the process. And they have taken that momentum into their first season at Championship level since 1964. The Iron are currently 11th in the table, having won three out of their five home games. And Fryatt, who played at Glanford Park for his former side Walsall, has warned that S****horpe will be determined to extend their excellent home record. He said: "It's a tight pitch. I played there two or three years ago and they played football at the time. "They had smaller forwards and had a passing mentality. They worked it quite well. "This season, they have carried on from where they were when they got promoted. "It's confidence. They have a habit of winning from the previous season. "I imagine they have kept the basis of that team together. They have confidence and a decent record at home and that momentum to keep it going. "But Watford beat them there in their previous game and we will be looking to go up there and do the same." They should be super-fit now!
Thracian Posted 18 October 2007 Posted 18 October 2007 They should be super-fit now! Be interesting to see how much their small forwards trouble our big but hardly quick defenders.
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