Koke Posted 30 November 2007 Posted 30 November 2007 Nice to see you quoting only half of what I said.
Thracian Posted 30 November 2007 Author Posted 30 November 2007 thats what i meant , How the BBC wallowed in the excuse to screen another publicity campaign for all things Muslim. The street protest was so tin pot that I wondered if the BBC had stage managed the thing themselves or at least given it a boost with a few "come and get yourselves on telly" phone calls. What was it? A few hundred people at best? Can you imagine such a small group of Nazi's or UKIP activists getting so much free air time unless they were heading for court? Why did they not not focus on the huge majority of Muslims who seemed to think the whole thing was OTT or completely unjustified?. Where was the BBC's primetime voice of protest cos you'd have certainly heard it had ANYONE ELSE been calling for someone to be executed over the naming of a Teddy Bear...like, say, the British National Party. This case wasn't about insulting a religion. It was about an innocent and totally unintended mistake.
Koke Posted 30 November 2007 Posted 30 November 2007 How the BBC wallowed in the excuse to screen another publicity campaign for all things Muslim. The street protest was so tin pot that I wondered if the BBC had stage managed the thing themselves or at least given it a boost with a few "come and get yourselves on telly" phone calls. What was it? A few hundred people at best? Can you imagine such a small group of Nazi's or UKIP activists getting so much free air time unless they were heading for court? Why did they not not focus on the huge majority of Muslims who seemed to think the whole thing was OTT or completely unjustified?. Where was the BBC's primetime voice of protest cos you'd have certainly heard it had ANYONE ELSE been calling for someone to be executed over the naming of a Teddy Bear...like, say, the British National Party. This case wasn't about insulting a religion. It was about an innocent and totally unintended mistake. You are spot on, sir. Absolutely.
Zingari Posted 30 November 2007 Posted 30 November 2007 How the BBC wallowed in the excuse to screen another publicity campaign for all things Muslim. The street protest was so tin pot that I wondered if the BBC had stage managed the thing themselves or at least given it a boost with a few "come and get yourselves on telly" phone calls. What was it? A few hundred people at best? Can you imagine such a small group of Nazi's or UKIP activists getting so much free air time unless they were heading for court? Why did they not not focus on the huge majority of Muslims who seemed to think the whole thing was OTT or completely unjustified?. Where was the BBC's primetime voice of protest cos you'd have certainly heard it had ANYONE ELSE been calling for someone to be executed over the naming of a Teddy Bear...like, say, the British National Party. This case wasn't about insulting a religion. It was about an innocent and totally unintended mistake. where are they demonstrating and demanding her release, the bbc can't focus on muslims sitting silently at home , perhaps they just aint concerned ,or more likely too scared
Koke Posted 30 November 2007 Posted 30 November 2007 Why don't you just go and read the the rubbish written in tabloids and listen to Jon Gaunt ranting about Muslims at every given opportunity. I'm sure you'd feel very home there.
Thracian Posted 30 November 2007 Author Posted 30 November 2007 where are they demonstrating and demanding her release, the bbc can't focus on muslims sitting silently at home , perhaps they just aint concerned ,or more likely too scared But to me that WAS the story. That so many WEREN'T in the demo. Had the case REALLY centred around a calculated and premeditated insult to Islam and Mohammed the whole nation would have been in uproar - there'd have been massive protests all over. Instead there was this contrived, half-hearted ripple of so-called anger made even less convincing by the fact that more people seemed to be on the sidewalk going about their business. But the BBC saw it their way. It was almost as if THEY were scared and THEY daren't cover the real story. Yet what an impact it might have had. SILENCE OF MUSLIMS A MIGHTY CALL FOR MERCY AND COMMON SENSE.
Zingari Posted 1 December 2007 Posted 1 December 2007 But to me that WAS the story. That so many WEREN'T in the demo. Had the case REALLY centred around a calculated and premeditated insult to Islam and Mohammed the whole nation would have been in uproar - there'd have been massive protests all over. Instead there was this contrived, half-hearted ripple of so-called anger made even less convincing by the fact that more people seemed to be on the sidewalk going about their business. But the BBC saw it their way. It was almost as if THEY were scared and THEY daren't cover the real story. Yet what an impact it might have had. SILENCE OF MUSLIMS A MIGHTY CALL FOR MERCY AND COMMON SENSE. yes indeed , the whole sorry affair is all about the bbc's tendentious reporting methods and you are quite correct that the silence of the majority of muslims is a mighty roar for justice in regard to this and the 200 000 darfuris murdered by the holy regime in that country we all have a lesson to learn from the silent warriors of sudan, and the world will indeed be a better place
Thracian Posted 1 December 2007 Author Posted 1 December 2007 yes indeed , the whole sorry affair is all about the bbc's tendentious reporting methods and you are quite correct that the silence of the majority of muslims is a mighty roar for justice in regard to this and the 200 000 darfuris murdered by the holy regime in that country we all have a lesson to learn from the silent warriors of sudan, and the world will indeed be a better place Moderate Muslims have an almighty battle on their hands and it is not one that will be easily won. There were lots of moderate Germans in the 30's but it was/is hard for the young to be wise given their short lives and for any naturally reasonable people to stick their heads above the parapet in the face of ambitious vociferous zealots who are organised and backed by their inevitable groups of bullying henchmen. In the end moderates so often opt for a quiet life and survival, taking the view that their voice would be drowned anyway and wouldn't make any difference to the zealots' apparently unstoppable drive. Unfortunately idealogical impetus can attract recruits like a magnet because so many people WANT to be part of something apparently important in their youthful, rebellious years and actually enjoy the sense of power which being part of that driving force brings - power which their often easily-led and yet unseeing characters wouldn't give them on their own. It's the gang-culture really. If the zealots appear to be the strongest gang - and their cause the most strongly voiced - people will join them and will wish to prove their worth within the group (making them wide open to manipulation). What a pity all people don't think for themselves and stand up for their individualism. But it's easy for me to say that. I've never wanted to be led by any human being. I might not be able to explain it fully but l KNOW there's a more powerful force and wouldn't dream for one moment of second guessing the precise requirements of that force. Except to suggest that it is for the triumph of creation over destruction, life over death and good over evil. Concepts that are totally alien to the very idea of people being executed, maimed or tortured for anything. Sorry to be so philosophiocal. I'm off to the match.
Master Fox Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 If i purchased a teddy for a tenner and named it muhammed, then sold it for £20. my question is, have i made a phophet? apologies if its been done
James. Posted 6 December 2007 Posted 6 December 2007 If i purchased a teddy for a tenner and named it muhammed, then sold it for £20. my question is, have i made a phophet? apologies if its been done Apology accepted!
Thracian Posted 17 December 2007 Author Posted 17 December 2007 Nice to see the strength of protest had some effect: ================================= From Yahoo News RIYADH, Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has pardoned a female rape victim who had been sentenced to 200 lashes for being alone with a man at the time of the attack who was not related to her, a Saudi newspaper reported Monday. The case had sparked international outcry. In a rare criticism of its Mideast ally, the White House had expressed its "astonishment" over the woman's sentence. Canada called it barbaric. Saudi Justice Minister Abdullah bin Mohammed al-Sheik told al-Jazirah newspaper that the pardon does not mean the king doubted the country's judges, but instead acted in the "interests of the people." "The king always looks into alleviating the suffering of the citizens when he becomes sure that these verdicts will leave psychological effects on the convicted people, though he is convinced and sure that the verdicts were fair," al-Jazirah quoted al-Sheik as saying. The victim in the case, known only as the "Girl of Qatif" after her hometown in eastern Saudi Arabia, was in a car with a high school friend in 2006 when they were attacked and raped by seven men. She initially was sentenced in November 2006 to several months in prison and 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man with whom she was neither related nor married, a violation of the kingdom's strict segregation of the sexes. The woman, who was 19 at the time of the rape, has said she met the man to retrieve a picture of herself from him because she had recently married. The court more than doubled the sentence last month to 200 lashes and six months prison in response to her appeal. President Bush expressed anger at the sentence earlier this month, saying he wondered how he would react if it had been one of his daughters. But he said he had not made his views known directly to the Saudi king, a U.S. ally. The Justice Ministry has defended the sentence, saying the girl was having an illicit affair with the man. Al-Sheik told al-Jazirah newspaper Monday that the king was the only official who could issue a pardon, and he did so despite the government's view that the Saudi legal system was "honest" and "fair." "The king's order consolidates and confirms what is known about the Islamic courts," said al-Sheik. "Efficient judges look into different cases and issue their just verdicts and those convicted have the right to appeal." The seven men who were convicted of raping both the girl and the man were initially sentenced to jail terms from 10 months to five years. Their sentences were increased to between two and nine years after the appeal.
The Reverend Posted 17 December 2007 Posted 17 December 2007 If i purchased a teddy for a tenner and named it muhammed, then sold it for £20. my question is, have i made a phophet? apologies if its been done I clearly pioneered this joke in live chat a few weeks ago
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