Lemon Harpic Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 The second bold text is just complete bollocks. Its utterly fabricated stuff. Give me the proper source for where you got this from. This is just pathetic. You see something that shows Islam in a bad light, and what do you do? Examine your own beliefs more closely? Concede that Islam isn't flawless? No, you just pretend that the thing that shows Islam in a bad light doesn't exist. The Hadith (I've switched spelling from 'Hadeeth') in question may be 'uttter bollocks' but it does exist. In fact it was quoted by Osama bin Laden (who you will probably claim is a Hindu) in his “Declaration Of War Against The Americans Occupying The Land Of The Two Holy Places†in 1996. lbn Haban Sahih, Volume.14, p.529. If your selective vision will allow you, read it for yourself. That's just silly though. I really don't know whether to believe or not, because its sounds too silly to be true. Pathetic.
Lemon Harpic Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 You're spot on Samir.And it all comes back to my earlier point about interpretation. Lemon Harpic (hypocrite extraordinaire) persists in applying his own interpretation in the same way that Osama Bin Laden applies his interpretation and millions of peace loving Muslims apply theirs. Simplifying the issue like some on here seem insistent on doing is nonsense. It's not me doing the simplification. The doctrine of abrogation does the simplification. Islam isn't like most other religions. You cannot cherry-pick your favourite interpretation of Islam and still claim to be a Muslim.
Koke Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 1, maybe because its possible to be as racist, misogynistic, anti semetic and homophobic as they want to be and if criticised they can always claim to be misinterpreted and misunderstood , and with the added bonus of middle class whitey guardianistas trying to make all excuses seem credibleHow many more times? ; we know the vast majority of muslims are peaceable but a great many are not and inflammatory teachings are broadcast in british mosques today 2, Pick and choose what you want to bellieve , its the easiest thing to do 1 - Nice generalisation. 2 - What I meant was it was silly by the person who arrested the person in charge. I'm in agreement with you on this, Good Lord. This is just pathetic. You see something that shows Islam in a bad light, and what do you do? Examine your own beliefs more closely? Concede that Islam isn't flawless? No, you just pretend that the thing that shows Islam in a bad light doesn't exist.The Hadith (I've switched spelling from 'Hadeeth') in question may be 'uttter bollocks' but it does exist. In fact it was quoted by Osama bin Laden (who you will probably claim is a Hindu) in his “Declaration Of War Against The Americans Occupying The Land Of The Two Holy Places†in 1996. lbn Haban Sahih, Volume.14, p.529. If your selective vision will allow you, read it for yourself. Pathetic. Yawn. Another generalization. For your information there are Hadeeth who are Daa'eef' (weak) and other who are not. The weak Hadeeths are the ones which is not soundly narrated from the Prophet. You can quote them all day long for all I care but they can't be taken serious. And neither can you it seems. The fact that you using Osama Bin Laden as a source of who quoted a Hadeeth just shows how pathetic you are. Mr. Bin Laden of all people?
Master Fox Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 Nope... what's he up to? He's been caught with weed and porn attending a gig in Dubai. Looks like he might be getting four years jail time! Seems a pretty harsh sentence for a little bit of weed and porno! It's on the Mirror and Mail websites, i've got a link i'll send you!
Finnegan Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 Islam isn't like most other religions. You cannot cherry-pick your favourite interpretation of Islam and still claim to be a Muslim. Rubbish. I'm pretty sure you can do that for any religion, really. A religion is a shared concept of faith, there are religious books and teachings but each one varies in every faith as do the beliefs of every unique follower. Everyone's religion is personal to themselves, as are there interpretations of the "rules" of that religion.
James. Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 He's been caught with weed and porn attending a gig in Dubai. Looks like he might be getting four years jail time! Seems a pretty harsh sentence for a little bit of weed and porno! It's on the Mirror and Mail websites, i've got a link i'll send you! No way. That's mental. He's a f**king legend, I might start a Facebook campaign for his immediate release.
Master Fox Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 No way. That's mental.He's a f**king legend, I might start a Facebook campaign for his immediate release. I know mate, But carrying weed and porno DVD’s in your record bag through customs in a Muslim country is a bit stupid. You’d think he would've known that. The laws out in these countries are very different to ours. You can stone your wife to death if she even speaks to another man, prostitution is fine, but if you want to smoke a joint and have a wank you get four years in jail! Crazy shit. You know this means the BBC will pull the plug on the Radio show as well.
James. Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 I know mate,But carrying weed and porno DVD’s in your record bag through customs in a Muslim country is a bit stupid. You’d think he would've known that. The laws out in these countries are very different to ours. You can stone your wife to death if she even speaks to another man, prostitution is fine, but if you want to smoke a joint and have a wank you get four years in jail! Crazy shit. You know this means the BBC will pull the plug on the Radio show as well. He was clearly being very stupid. Maybe he thought he was above the law. I wouldn't begrudge him that.
Master Fox Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 He was clearly being very stupid. Maybe he thought he was above the law. I wouldn't begrudge him that. He’s hardly Snoop Dogg though is he? And the fact he plays western devil music won’t help his cause He’s ****ed.
James. Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 He’s hardly Snoop Dogg though is he?And the fact he plays western devil music won’t help is cause He’s ****ed. Yeah I know, I'm taking the piss. Four years sounds a bit much, the Mirror article suggests deportation. If that happens he'll probably be fine right? Anyway, I wish him all the best..!
Zingari Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 Rubbish. I'm pretty sure you can do that for any religion, really. A religion is a shared concept of faith, there are religious books and teachings but each one varies in every faith as do the beliefs of every unique follower. Everyone's religion is personal to themselves, as are there interpretations of the "rules" of that religion. so, let me get this straight , no-one tries to inflict their interpretation of the rules on anyone else and no punishments are meted out by anyone if they don't conform
Lemon Harpic Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 Rubbish. I'm pretty sure you can do that for any religion, really. A religion is a shared concept of faith, there are religious books and teachings but each one varies in every faith as do the beliefs of every unique follower. Everyone's religion is personal to themselves, as are there interpretations of the "rules" of that religion. Nice dream. On planet Earth (Why don't you come and visit some time?) religion is the result of social indoctrination that begins from the moment a child is born. Many religions allow a bit of leeway in their interpretation, but Islam is not one of them. It's strict rules are not up for negotiation. We all know people who drink and gamble but, because they go to Mosque once a week, we call them Muslims. They are not. They are kafirs. As a society we have tried to, and are still trying to, dilute Islam to make it more compatible with our Western values. The idea is that repeat the lie 'Islam is peace' often enough and it will become the truth. The problem with this is that we are promoting the idea that it's ok to be a Muslim. We are discouraging people from critically examining Islam (by all means examine Islam, but God help you if your conclusions are negative), and in so doing we are creating a hiding place for bigotry and intolerance.
Webbo Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 But the West will quite happily turn a blind eye to incidents like this when it considers it in its self-interest to do so, just like it tolerated Saddam and his innumerable atrocities for decades. You're not racist - just very, very naive. Many rape victims in the UK are not well treated by the judicial system - especially the parasitic vermin who act as defence lawyers for their attackers, and claim (often successfully) that the victims were "asking for it". Maybe, but do we ever flog them? And homophobia is still rampant in this country, as Chris Moyles, Jeremy Clarkson, various tabloids and many posters on this forum have proved. In some cases it may drive individuals to commit acts of murder. Cracking gay jokes is not the same as execution though is it? So don't go pretending that our society is somehow "perfect" - it isn't, not by a long way. I never said it was, just better.
Koke Posted 26 November 2007 Posted 26 November 2007 Nice dream.On planet Earth (Why don't you come and visit some time?) religion is the result of social indoctrination that begins from the moment a child is born. Many religions allow a bit of leeway in their interpretation, but Islam is not one of them. It's strict rules are not up for negotiation. We all know people who drink and gamble but, because they go to Mosque once a week, we call them Muslims. They are not. They are kafirs. As a society we have tried to, and are still trying to, dilute Islam to make it more compatible with our Western values. The idea is that repeat the lie 'Islam is peace' often enough and it will become the truth. The problem with this is that we are promoting the idea that it's ok to be a Muslim. We are discouraging people from critically examining Islam (by all means examine Islam, but God help you if your conclusions are negative), and in so doing we are creating a hiding place for bigotry and intolerance. Who are you to call anyone Kafir? What they do is between them and God, you ain't in no position to call anyone a kafir. And what are you? An Athiest?
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Who are you to call anyone Kafir? What they do is between them and God, you ain't in no position to call anyone a kafir. And what are you? An Athiest? No.... he's a ****. A wind up merchant, that changes his arguements to suit and insul. It was only about 8 months ago he taking lumps out of American and British troops for attempting to stop the kind of Islamic extremist he is now condeming. He's an anarchist. Most of whom I believe or both Athiest and C*nts, so it seems we're both right.
Koke Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 There are some decent Athiest people. So he must be a **** by default. I wonder why he changed his tone of voice from 8 months ago.
Zingari Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Who are you to call anyone Kafir? What they do is between them and God, you ain't in no position to call anyone a kafir. And what are you? An Athiest? he probably is, stone him !! he may be even gay, or a woman that names a teddy bear mohammed , portrays the image of mohammed in cartoon ,or any other thing that is so offensive to to the ( always misinterpreted and misunderstood ) islamic faith but hopefully a good muslim would be able to devise a suitable punishment to cure him of his filthy (non) beliefs and evil habit of questioning islam i just don't know how many lashes it will take to make these filthy heretics see sense ?
Koke Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 he probably is, stone him !!he may be even gay, or a woman that names a teddy bear mohammed , portrays the image of mohammed in cartoon ,or any other thing that is so offensive to to the ( always misinterpreted and misunderstood ) islamic faith but hopefully a good muslim would be able to devise a suitable punishment to cure him of his filthy (non) beliefs and evil habit of questioning islam i just don't know how many lashes it will take to make these filthy heretics see sense ? You really are a clown. You desperately looking for confrontations.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 he probably is, stone him !!he may be even gay, or a woman that names a teddy bear mohammed , portrays the image of mohammed in cartoon ,or any other thing that is so offensive to to the ( always misinterpreted and misunderstood ) islamic faith but hopefully a good muslim would be able to devise a suitable punishment to cure him of his filthy (non) beliefs and evil habit of questioning islam i just don't know how many lashes it will take to make these filthy heretics see sense ? Grow up, he was only asking.
Zingari Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Grow up, he was only asking. what difference does it make to lemon harpics points re. islam
Lemon Harpic Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 There are some decent Athiest people. So he must be a **** by default.I wonder why he changed his tone of voice from 8 months ago. I haven't. Do you believe that US and British troops are in Iraq to "attempt to stop Islamic extremism"? The actions of the Allies in Iraq are morally repugnant, and ultimately fuel Islamic 'extremism'. Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the July 7th bombers, stated that "We are at war and I am a soldier". It's understandable that he would see things that way. I still rejoice today at the death of any US or British soldier, just as I did 8 months back.
Lemon Harpic Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Who are you to call anyone Kafir? What they do is between them and God, you ain't in no position to call anyone a kafir. Fond of a drink yourself, then?
l444ry Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I haven't.Do you believe that US and British troops are in Iraq to "attempt to stop Islamic extremism"? The actions of the Allies in Iraq are morally repugnant, and ultimately fuel Islamic 'extremism'. Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the July 7th bombers, stated that "We are at war and I am a soldier". It's understandable that he would see things that way. I still rejoice today at the death of any US or British soldier, just as I did 8 months back. You should engage your brain before opening your mouth. If one of those killed happened to be your son or daughter would you really - really - "rejoice"? Saying things so patently odious detracts from your more serious point.
Hullfox Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the July 7th bombers, stated that "We are at war and I am a soldier". It's understandable that he would see things that way. I think that if you watch his video he read that. Reading and stating are miles apart. I still rejoice today at the death of any US or British soldier, just as I did 8 months back. In which case you are a cock.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 what difference does it make to lemon harpics points re. islam None I think he asked out of interest.
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