Lemon Harpic Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I think that if you watch his video he read that. Reading and stating are miles apart. Not in this case. Clearly, Sidique Khan is describing himself as a soldier in the video. Are you just disagreeing with me because it is the fashionable thing to do?
Head Honcho Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I haven't.Do you believe that US and British troops are in Iraq to "attempt to stop Islamic extremism"? The actions of the Allies in Iraq are morally repugnant, and ultimately fuel Islamic 'extremism'. Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the July 7th bombers, stated that "We are at war and I am a soldier". It's understandable that he would see things that way. I still rejoice today at the death of any US or British soldier, just as I did 8 months back. Yeh and you were a twat then just as you are now! I support not just our but all troops in Iraq, not because I hate Iraqi's in fact I've never met one I've disliked, but because they are out there doing a job, trying to bring peace to the region and like it or not things would be a lot worse if they were not out there-you may not want to believe that, in fact you never would, well you might but you wouldn't admit it! Any death in Iraq should be mourned-it doesn't matter what side has suffered the loss.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Yeh and you were a twat then just as you are now!I support not just our but all troops in Iraq, not because I hate Iraqi's in fact I've never met one I've disliked, but because they are out there doing a job, trying to bring peace to the region and like it or not things would be a lot worse if they were not out there-you may not want to believe that, in fact you never would, well you might but you wouldn't admit it! Any death in Iraq should be mourned-it doesn't matter what side has suffered the loss.
Hullfox Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Not in this case.Clearly, Sidique Khan is describing himself as a soldier in the video. Are you just disagreeing with me because it is the fashionable thing to do? I'd say clearly he is reading another's words. He looks and sounds uncomfortable with the language he is using. I'm disagreeing with you because I disagree with you. It might appear fashionable but rather than it being a fad, I think it's because you are wrong.
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Nice dream.On planet Earth (Why don't you come and visit some time?) religion is the result of social indoctrination that begins from the moment a child is born. Many religions allow a bit of leeway in their interpretation, but Islam is not one of them. It's strict rules are not up for negotiation. We all know people who drink and gamble but, because they go to Mosque once a week, we call them Muslims. They are not. They are kafirs. As a society we have tried to, and are still trying to, dilute Islam to make it more compatible with our Western values. The idea is that repeat the lie 'Islam is peace' often enough and it will become the truth. The problem with this is that we are promoting the idea that it's ok to be a Muslim. We are discouraging people from critically examining Islam (by all means examine Islam, but God help you if your conclusions are negative), and in so doing we are creating a hiding place for bigotry and intolerance. What the hell do you base that on? Im not muslim but even I know thats ridiculous as I have done a fair bot of research on the topic. Their are countless points within the quran and hadith which show you to be completely ignorant to the basis of the religion. One such point is a story told by Mohammed of god forgiving a "disobedient" man who chose to feed a hungry dog before himself. I dont believe in any religion but if your going to argue a point make sure you do your research.
MPH Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 QUOTE (Lemon Harpic @ Nov 26 2007, 06:08 PM) Nice dream. On planet Earth (Why don't you come and visit some time?) religion is the result of social indoctrination that begins from the moment a child is born. Many religions allow a bit of leeway in their interpretation, but Islam is not one of them. It's strict rules are not up for negotiation. We all know people who drink and gamble but, because they go to Mosque once a week, we call them Muslims. They are not. They are kafirs. As a society we have tried to, and are still trying to, dilute Islam to make it more compatible with our Western values. The idea is that repeat the lie 'Islam is peace' often enough and it will become the truth. The problem with this is that we are promoting the idea that it's ok to be a Muslim. We are discouraging people from critically examining Islam (by all means examine Islam, but God help you if your conclusions are negative), and in so doing we are creating a hiding place for bigotry and intolerance. how rediculous. you clearly know nothing about this planet you so keenly try to belittle people with... i have a friend who has converted to Islam as an adult, and also ones who have converted to christianity as adults. That alone blows your statement completly out of the window..
Lemon Harpic Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 how rediculous.you clearly know nothing about this planet you so keenly try to belittle people with... i have a friend who has converted to Islam as an adult, and also ones who have converted to christianity as adults. That alone blows your statement completly out of the window.. Proves nothing. In the West, where relgious indoctrination is a lot more half-hearted, a handful of people can be brainwashed into Islam/ Christianity/ Scientology/ Heaven's Gate or whatever in their adulthood. So what? If you imagine that 100% of all Saudis are Muslim because that's the way their unique spiritual paths have led them, and that societal indoctrination played no part, then you are insane. I mean completely, utterly, bark-at-the moon insane.
Flynny Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 how rediculous.you clearly know nothing about this planet you so keenly try to belittle people with... i have a friend who has converted to Islam as an adult, and also ones who have converted to christianity as adults. That alone blows your statement completly out of the window.. For once he's mostly right about that one. The existance of an ultimate superbeing isn't one that most people would naturally and logically arrive at were religion to disappear off the face of the planet tomorrow. People's increasing nochalance towards religion and desire for it to be all lovey-dovey and philosophical to fit in with modern secular society is a massive indicator of this. Edit: See this is why you don't leave the computer halfway into a reply.
Ultra Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Proves nothing.In the West, where religious indoctrination is a lot more half-hearted, a handful of people can be brainwashed into Islam/ Christianity/ Scientology/ Heaven's Gate or whatever in their adulthood. So what? If you imagine that 100% of all Saudis are Muslim because that's the way their unique spiritual paths have led them, and that societal indoctrination played no part, then you are insane. I mean completely, utterly, bark-at-the moon insane. You haven't been to the the States lately.. Religion is a significant part of the culture of the United States. The religious history of the United States goes back to the first settlers, and among those countries considered to be "developed nations", the United States is one of the most religious. Politicians frequently discuss their religion when campaigning, and many churches and religious figures are highly politically active. (From Wikipedia)
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 You haven't been to the the States lately..(From Wikipedia) Add to that George bush: "god told me to invade Iraq" obviously a ploy to get the more religious sectors backing.
Webbo Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Add to that George bush: "god told me to invade Iraq" obviously a ploy to get the more religious sectors backing. Did he actually say that? Can we have a source please?
Ultra Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Did he actually say that? Can we have a source please? Here it is..
Webbo Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Here it is.. Ok my bad, even though we've only got someone else's word for it, I'll accept that.
Lemon Harpic Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 You haven't been to the the States lately.. Touché!
Hullfox Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 (From Wikipedia) Well that settles it then. It has to be right.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Well that settles it then. It has to be right. I do hope your not suggesting that that Josh Low doesn't dress up as Jeniffer Lopez after every legaue win and sing a few of the famous ladies greatest hits.
ASH17LCFC Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I haven't.Do you believe that US and British troops are in Iraq to "attempt to stop Islamic extremism"? The actions of the Allies in Iraq are morally repugnant, and ultimately fuel Islamic 'extremism'. Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the July 7th bombers, stated that "We are at war and I am a soldier". It's understandable that he would see things that way. I still rejoice today at the death of any US or British soldier, just as I did 8 months back. Where abouts in brauny town you from then ?
Lemon Harpic Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Where abouts in brauny town you from then ? Rosamund Avenue. Except I don't live there any more, just too goddamn lazy to update my profile.
hairy Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 I still rejoice today at the death of any US or British soldier, just as I did 8 months back. Cock! Call yourself an anarchist too!
Daggers Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Except I don't live there any more, just too goddamn lazy to update my profile. All you need to do now is "stay up all night" and your rock'n'roll rebel lifestyle will be complete
Zingari Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7117430.stm disgusting judgement
Koke Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 I agree. I remember when I went to San Diego in 2001, there was this lad who named his dog Mohamed. It didn't go well down with the people, even non-Muslims who came out and said that it was uncalled for. But being charged over a teddy bear is taking the biscuit though.
stez Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Rosamund Avenue.Except I don't live there any more, just too goddamn lazy to update my profile. an ex of mine lived there, a bit of a weird street, set up not the people, although.....!
stez Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 I haven't.Do you believe that US and British troops are in Iraq to "attempt to stop Islamic extremism"? The actions of the Allies in Iraq are morally repugnant, and ultimately fuel Islamic 'extremism'. Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the July 7th bombers, stated that "We are at war and I am a soldier". It's understandable that he would see things that way. I still rejoice today at the death of any US or British soldier, just as I did 8 months back. slightly harsh to dance in the street when some 18 year old kid following orders gets killed, surely you should aim you hatred at the policy makers?
Koke Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 slightly harsh to dance in the street when some 18 year old kid following orders gets killed, surely you should aim you hatred at the policy makers? I concur.
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